Dear Saif bhai: Assalamualaikum. Let me have a conversation with you in regards your mail. You wrote: Bhai Nuran Nabi has most clearly demonstrated the most compelling case for trial of the so-called Bangladeshi war criminals. Our hats off to him. I applaud him totally. My response: I applaud him as well. We all want a trial for our 1971 war criminals. You wrote: Shaheed Rumi, Shaheed Shahidullah Qaiser, Shaheed Zahir Raihan and my Shaheed Brother(Elder) Nurul Amin Khan(DC of Barisal in 1970-71) and all others, three millions of Bangladeshis in total paid with their lives for Bangladesh. None should dispute these figures and these lives lost for Bangladesh. My response: Saheed Zahir Raihan was killed after we got our independence. There is lot of speculations about his killings. But I'm sure you have more knowledge about it as I was only few years old. 3 million killed during our impendence was can not be true under no circumstances. If you do a comparison study on war/genocide during the world in the last 40 years, you might get an idea what I'm talking about. Yes indeed, those ruthless Pakistani butchers and their collaborators killed thousand perhaps lakhs of Bangalee but it can not be 3 million. Again, you should know better as I'm way younger than you. I'm taking a stance with very unpopular issue, but for our nations sake we aught to get the truth out. As we all know, any good thing should not be starting with fiction. You wrote: Bhai Nuran Nabi and my nephew Hashem Mahmud Khan (in NY) and hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi freedom fighters fought for Bangladesh in 1971 War of Emancipation of Bangladesh. My response: As I said in my previous postings, I'm so proud of all the Freedom fighters of Bangladesh as they did, what we born to do. Defend the motherland and take the arms against the aggressor without fear. You wrote: The case of Felani is a most tragic case for which we should all campaign for justice and human rights. We should fight for Bangladesh and Bangladeshis always. We must be the truest of Bangladeshis without any fear. We should applaud India for its most praiseworthy stand and fight for Bangladesh in 1971. We must continue to condemn Pakistan for its war of genocide against Bangladesh. My response: Felani is one of the thousand dead bodies gifted to us by Indian security force. And you still want to applaud India for his merciless killing. Isn't that's why you guys hate Razakar so much. Because they were standing by Pakistani after it's continued aggression to our people!!. You are telling me India fought for Bangladesh just for Bangladeshis interest!! I'm so sorry. It feels like I'm the one who is 60 some years old and giving a lecture to a 40 year old about history. India helped Bangladesh to be independent for her very own interest. So that, she can grab our land whenever she wishes, she can take our cattle way whenever she wishes, she can kill our people like birds whenever she wishes. Did you ever hear any Pakistani and Chinese got killed in the border by BSF without any retaliation! There are many books are written by retired Indian army generals and retired politicians on India's role and motive in 1971 war. You aught to know better than me, as you are an honorable retired ambassador of Bangladesh. In the last Indian election, Rahul Gandhi also mentioned something about it. If you do not know, I will try to find his exact quote for you. Anyhow, my point is India helped Bangldesh for her interest not because she was concerned with Bangladeshis well being. You wrote: In the world today we must continue to commend India for its rightful stand on Bangladesh and denounce Pakistan for its abhorrent role in 1971. My response: Yes, we denounce Pakistan for her role in 1971 and I hope Bangldesh can bring back those soldiers to put then in trail. However, you must read my above response why we shouldn't commend India anymore. Let me give you another example, now whole Bangladesh is jumping up and down to celebrate our victory against England. Do you know that India opposed both One day and Test status in the cricket for Bangladesh? If we didn't get the status, Sakib and Shafiul will be watching the 2011 world cup from their living room. I so wish that we kicked out Pakistani's without India's help. Even if took 10 long years. So that in the year 2011, I do not need to hear any lecture from anyone about India's generosity. Though, everyone in these forums should be intelligent enough to know the truth is. One more thing, when some is sleeping, you can wake him/her up very easily. But when some is pretending to be sleeping, it takes quite a few pushes before they open their eyes. You wrote: But India and Pakistan cannot be treated or regarded equally by Bangladesh and Bangladeshis of all denominations in view of their differential stand on 1971. My response: You are absolutely right. India and Pakistan can't be treated equally. Because one done hurting us 40 years back and the other one is still hurting us till this very moment. I'm glad that Bangladesh is an independent country and we are proud citizen of Bangladesh. Now I'm a Bangladeshi-Canadian. Thank GOD not a Pakistani or Indian-Canadian J. You wrote: History must never be forgotten nor forgiven, though over time its impact may get more dilute over the times. My response: I hope after two hundred years, no one will claim that 1971 war was fought between India and Pakistan and a country called Bangladesh was an illusion. As a picture shows that in 1971, Pakistani general surrendered to Indian general. You wrote: We must have a real principled stand on history. My response: I absolutely agree with you. Saif bhai, I wish I didn't responded Dr. Nuran Nabi's mail. Now I'm wasting mine, yours, and everyone else's time with these long emails. I still want to have a chat with you. Pls do call me sometime or stop by at my place if you are in Toronto. See if we do not discuss and disagree, we will never find the truth. I really wish, this summer Trans Atlantic members of Chattola, Khobor, Alapon, Notun-Bangla can have a get together in DC or NY area. So that we all know who are we talking to and have a better understanding among us. And set aside our differences on India and Pakistan and do something productive for Bangladesh. Thanks everyone who took the time to read my long mail. I promise to take some time off as I have to spend some quality time with my kids over the weekend. Have a good weekend everyone. Helal 647 828-3796 (Cell)
--- On Fri, 3/11/11, md. saiful KHAN <saifakhan01@gmail.com> wrote:
From: md. saiful KHAN <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
Subject: Our stand on 1971
To: alapon@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, khabor@yahoogroups.com, "notun Bangladesh" <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "Syed Aslam" <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>, "Enayet Ullah" <enayet_2000@yahoo.com>, "mahboob hossain" <mahboob987@yahoo.com>, "Helal Ahmed" <huahmed@yahoo.com>, ccalapon@yahoogroups.com, "Khabor Dot Com" <info@khabor.com>, "Abba" <hussain7192@rogers.com>, chottala@yahoogroups.com, "anis.ahmed@netzero.net" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>
Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:35 PM
Dear All Friends including in particular Bangladeshi expatriates in the USA and the whole worldBhai Nuran Nabi has most clearly demonstrated the most compelling case for trial of the so-called Bangladeshi war criminals. Our hats off to him. I applaud him totally.These war criminals tried to prevent Bangladesh from emerging as an independent and sovereign country. That is why, we term them so-called Bangladeshis. Shaheed Rumi, Shaheed Shahidullah Qaiser, Shaheed Zahir Raihan and my Shaheed Brother(Elder) Nurul Amin Khan(DC of Barisal in 1970-71) and all others, three millions of Bangladeshis in total paid with their lives for Bangladesh. None should dispute these figures and these lives lost for BangladeshBhai Nuran Nabi and my nephew Hashem Mahmud Khan (in NY) and hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi freedom fighters fought for Bangladesh in 1971 War of Emancipation of Bangladesh.The case of Felani is a most tragic case for which we should all campaign for justice and human rights. We should fight for Bangladesh and Bangladeshis always. We must be the truest of Bangladeshis without any fear. We should applaud India for its most praiseworthy stand and fight for Bangladesh in 1971. We must continue to condemn Pakistan for its war of genocide against Bangladesh. In the world today we must continue to commend India for its rightful stand on Bangladesh and denounce Pakistan for its abhorrent role in 1971. And in the world today we must criticize both India and Pakistan for any stand inimical and hostility to Bangladesh, if these countries harbour or pursue against Bangladesh (Felani or any other related issue). But India and Pakistan cannot be treated or regarded equally by Bangladesh and Bangladeshis of all denominations in view of their differential stand on 1971.
History must never be forgotten nor forgiven, though over time its impact may get more diluted over the times.
We must have a real principled stand on history.
Dr. Md. Saiful Amin Khan
Ambassador and Permanent Secretary of Bangladesh
On 11 March 2011 19:48, Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Protest against Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15th To: " anis.ahmed@netzero.net" < anis.ahmed@netzero.net> Cc: khabor@yahoogroups.com, notun Bangladesh < notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, Syed Aslam < syed.aslam3@gmail.com>, Enayet Ullah < enayet_2000@yahoo.com>, mahboob hossain < mahboob987@yahoo.com>, Helal Ahmed < huahmed@yahoo.com>, ccalapon@yahoogroups.com, Khabor Dot Com < info@khabor.com>, Abba < hussain7192@rogers.com>, chottala@yahoogroups.com Dear Mr. Anis Ahmed, With due respect, I have to tell you that I do not need your advice how to do my job as a councilman and with same token, I think you do not need my advice how to do your job as a commissioner. Mr. Helal, you and others are very clever to divert the main issue. As you know , I accused Ms. Bose for distortion of facts about Bangladesh war crimes and her attempt to hide the truth so that Bangladesh War criminals are protected. You all changed the subject and brought India, Felani, Sheikh Hasina, Gaffar Choudhury and others as well as even called names. None of you wanted to know about the war crimes of Bangladesh Liberation war. Crimes against humanity committed by Pakistani military and their Razakar collaborators were well documented by UNO, its the then Secretary General U-thant, USA Consul General in Dhaka late Mr. Blood, Late Senator Kennedy and many other individuals, international organizations, press etc. In spite of these evidence, Ms. Bose and others are trying to mislead the public opinion that war crimes did not happen in 1971 in Bangladesh. Many supporters of the war criminals are, in various disguise, promoting Ms Bose. I have documented these war crimes in my book Bullets of'71- A Freedom Fighter's Story. As I said ealier, I am ready to debate in public with anybody including Ms. Boase on Bangladesh war crimes and the role of Pakistani military and their Bengali collaborators- Razakars and Al Badars. Finally, I know you all who you are and what is your hidden agenda. Therefore, this is my last respond to you all on this subject. I have better things to do in my life. Regards, Nuran Nabi On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM, anis.ahmed@netzero.net <anis.ahmed@netzero.net> wrote: Dear Mr. Nurun Nabi: To the best of my knowledge, a real Bangladeshi is meant citizen who demonstrates and acts, even sacrifice life for the interest of Bangladesh and/or to protect her (Bangladesh) from any enemy either from homegrown, domestic or external aggression or from any action or conspiracy of any citizen or foreign Government, regardless, India, Pakistan, China, etc. You're a Bangladeshi American and without any doubt you want to help any Bangladeshi in America which you can not do that while acting as a Council Member by ignoring the interest of other citizens of your constituency. As a Council Member you are under obligation to work for the interest of your every citizen equally to ensure that their lives and properties are safe from any kind of harm. Similar obligations apply to me while I'm acting as a Commissioner of the Governor's Commission in Maryland. In conclusion, same duties and obligations apply to any Bangladeshi while he or she claims or identifies as a Bangladeshi, either a born or naturalized citizen. Also, A real Bangladeshi is that person who acts or demonstrates these qualities (duties and obligations) without any fear or by surrendering sanctity of his or her motherland to any quarter. Please feel free to ask me any question if my above explanation does not meet your satisfaction. With regards, Anis Ahmed, Maryland
Mr. Anis Ahmed, You have certified Mr. Helal as a true Bangladeshi. Please tell us who are not true Bangladeshi in this forum. Regards, Nuran Nabi
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Syed_Aslam3 <syed.aslam3@gmail.com> wrote: Mr. Helal
You have said:
"Pls accept my sincere apology if I hurt you with this mail." Wah !!!!! What a pretention ..... You have already proved through your innuendeos who you are ..... and where are you comming from ..... You tried your best to divert from the main thread (protest against Sarmila Bose ) by mixing up issues... It is not an isolated phenomenon that you are now getting congratulatory salutes from well know quarters who masquerade themselves as patriots........... [Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel .....] The mass killing (genocide) and mass rape in 1971 was a official policy of the Pakistani occupation regime ... and those were one the worst genocide and mass-rape in human history ...... Do you want to white-wash the 1971-Pakistani attrocities by disputing the numbers .... Is that your tactics to absolve the worst criminals, (Pakistani occupation regime and the accessories/collaborators viz. Al-Bodor/-Razaker-Al-shams gangs) of their guilts? Undoubtly, Sarmila Bose is a distortionist and falsifier of history ... She must be exposed and protested .... In My Lai Massacre in Vietnam (1968) mass murder of unarmed 347–504 civilians.was conducted by an unit of the US Army. Pakistan Army has conducted thousands of My Lai Ty Massacre in Bangladesh during their occupation in 1971 as their official policy.. Most villages and towns of Bangladesh have witnessed those mass-murders & mass-rapes.....!!!!! Syed Aslam
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM, anis.ahmed@netzero.com <anis.ahmed@netzero.net> wrote: Mr. Helal Ahmed: You're a real Bangladeshi. I salute you for your true feelings and courageous voice for Bangladesh and for the people of Bangladesh. My hats off for your logical expressions without any fear of dangers from near or short distant enemies. Thanks, Anis Ahmed, Maryland
| Assalamualikum Dear Dr. Nuran Nabi. My name is Helal Ahmed and i born in 1970. I'm very proud of you as a living Freedom fighter as I'm proud of my Father-in-law and late father. You and my Father-in-law faced the bullet in the forefront and my late father fought the war in a different way. I wish I was born at that time to do the same. I understand your sentiment towards 1971. What i don't understand is that in this forum, i do not see you or any other Freedom fighters are crying for Felani or thousands of innocent Bangladeshis are killed by Indian border force. I guess you and some of the Freedom fighters fought the war against Pakistan not for Bangladesh. If you fought for Bangladesh, than i should have seen your anger against the Felani killer just the way you showed your anger towards Pakistani murderers. Also, in our 1971 war, 3 million people didn't die. The mentioned number was a slip of tongue by Bongobondhu. And people are Bangladesh can't even talk about it as they might be labeled as Razakar. For the sake of new generation, it is your duty to tell the truth. Pls accept my sincere apology if I hurt you with this mail. As a generation after 1970, I'm just tired of seeing Bangladeshis keep talking about old enemy and being mum of new enemy. FYI, as you are, I also want the trial of 1971 war criminals. But I don't think our neighboring country want this issue to be resolved as this the only way to keep Bangladesh divided and let us in fighting. See, people like you and me, living in different countries, from completely different generations, still wasting our time to argue over something which should have been solved 40 years ago. I'm very much in doubt that current AL government will complete the trial. After the five long years, they will say they have to come back to power again to finish the trial. Thanks in advance for your understanding. Helal
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>
Subject: [Alapon] Protest against Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15th
To: alapon@yahoogroups.com, "Khabor Dot Com" <info@khabor.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:42 PM
I would appreciate if you post this in your group ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>Date: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:21 PM Subject: Protest against Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15th To: mike.vandusen@wilsoncenter.org Mr. Mike Van Dusen Executive Vice President of the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars Dear Mr. Van Dusen, It is with great dismay I tell you that you have organized an event with a controversial writer Sarmila Bose in the month of March which is the 40th anniversary of the beginning of Bangladesh genocide 1971 where 3 million people were killed, 200 thousand women were raped, 10 million people were forced to become refugees to lead a sub-human life during 9 months of the war.. These crimes against humanity are well documented including a book by USA Consul General in Dhaka Late Mr. Archer Blood and a report by Late Senator Edward Kennedy. Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15 is an insult to the victims of Bangladesh genocide. I am a Freedom Fighter of Bangladesh liberation war and a witness to the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Pakistani military and their Bengali collaborators. I have written several books on Bangladesh liberation war. My latest book Bullets of '71- A Freedom Fighter's Story describes Bangladesh genocide committed by the Bangladesh war criminals. (See my website www.nurannabi.com to know more about Bangladesh genocide ) After 40 years, trial of the Bangladesh war criminals just has started. Since then Bangladesh war criminals and their supporters have started orchestrated campaign to misinform and mislead the world opinion regarding the extent of Bangladesh genocide. Sarmila Bose is a part of that grand scheme. Sarmila Bose and others are promoting their hidden agenda in a very subtle way to protect the Bangladesh war criminals. Its irony that she is using organization like Woodrow Wilson Center in the USA capital to misguide the opinion maker. You must stop this event which is a heinous design of the Bangladesh war criminals. You should allow to let people know the truth about Bangladesh war crimes which Ms Bose is trying to hide and protect the war criminals. I am walling to present evidence for the crimes against humanity in Bangladesh in 1971 perpetrated by Pakistani military and their Bengali collaborators based on my new book. I would appreciate if you invite me to the event to counter Ms. Bose's misleading conclusion and allow me tell the truth to the audience. Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards, Nuran Nabi, PhD Councilman of Plainsboro Township, NJ and a Freedom Fighter of Bangladesh Liberation war
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