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Saturday, February 9, 2013

[chottala.com] The Meaning of Shahbagh-er More



The Meaning of Shahbagh-er More

I have a different take from Naeem as to what's going on in Shahbagh. It is a more pessimistic take. If you are one of those people who think that a 18 year old speaking against Zafar Iqbal (Sir) should be treated like a Rajakar, please stop reading now and go elsewhere.

Let's start with the trivial. What delusional egomaniac decided to brand this Shahbagh "Square"? Clearly someone who's trying hard to draw parallels with events in Tahrir Square, Cairo in 2011. Whoever it was, let me disabuse them of the notion. This is not an anti-governmental protest constantly hounded by state-sponsored hooligans, aka the police/RAB.

Rather this is the opposite. This protest is against a political party which has never been in power, a party which is anathema to most voters of the ruling Awami League, if not necessarily to its leaders (more on that later). There is no "dhawa, palta dhawa" with police and the protesters as we saw at Tahrir, or more recently, at Ashulia. The festive atmosphere is there because the government has not decided to bother with them. Hosni Mubarak did not have that luxury.

So lets call this what it is. This is Shahbagher More with more people than usual. The chatpati stands must be doing brisk business.

Naeem's piece tells us that this could be interpreted as a move to thwart a potential alliance with Jamaat. Of course, this would not be the first time that Awami League and Jamaat would shack up, even if the "leading English daily" refuses to include that in its timeline of Jamaat's history.

But in that case, how come there isn't more of an anti-AL sentiment in these protests? Most of the coverage, most of the facebook chit-chat has focussed on getting Kader Mollah hanged and pushing against Jamaat/Shibir's recent excursions. If Awami League really is in backroom talks with Jamaat, why are the protesters being so coy about this? Whoever heard of a mass protest that tries to be this subtle? Get real.

The most distressing development over the past week has been the name calling one has had to witness on facebook and twitter. It seems that anyone with doubts about the value of these protests is a Jamaat sympathiser at best, or a Rajakar at worst. For years, those of us who wanted the 1971 war criminals to face trial were told that any trial would become a name-calling exercise. Jamaat sympathisers would look at us condescendingly and say with a smile, "But bhai, apnader shathey jara ek mot na, tader shobai kei to Rajakar daaken apnara". The facebook/twitter discourse over the past few days have validated that point of view. I used to think liberals welcomed dissent and challenges to their view. Intolerance and takfir were hallmarks of right wingers like Jamaat. The last week has opened my eyes.

But the very worst thing about this protest is undoubtedly this: it is manned by the same set of people who pushed back against anyone who had doubts about the trial process. When Skype-gate happened, these were the same people who said the integrity of the tribunals were intact.

So why are they now not satisfied with the tribunal's verdict, the same tribunal they assured us were working? And how come none of the judges are taking any heat because of it? Anyone seen a single sign against the judges who gave the verdict?

The involvement of this set of people makes me harbour doubts about Naeem's suggestion that the Shahbagh protests might morph into a movement that asks for a better trial protest. I admire his optimism. But as long as this set of people are at Shahbagh, this will remain a gathering asking for blood, not due process.

In other words, this is very much Shahbagh More, not Shahbagh Square.

http://alalodulal.org/2013/02/10/the-meaning-of-shahbagh-er-more/


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Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah



Hello

This sounds like a fairy tale. Why you are sitting idle knowing all these hidden story.

You should come out with the evidence for the trial of the undermentioned person.
So, this is the time to shine your voice. Writing something is not enough. Either you do something to prove your sayings or keep silent for ever because it only make a problem for all of us with no result whatsoever.

So, strike the iron, this is the time to do.

Z.A.

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On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I know many of you don't believe in fair trial for two reasons. One the truth will come out and the second one is the innocents will go scott free. I understand your feelings, that's why many of you like the Justice Nizamul Huq and his skype engineering.
I am forty year old so I cannot be a rajakar and my family members are freedom fighters the real ones not the fake freedom fighters but I believe in fair trial for everyone. Who will certify who is rajakar? This guy Kader Molla became rajakar in recent years after he said screw you to Awami League leadership when asked for his party's support. He wasn't in the list of rajakars till 80s. Any rajakar when goes through a machine called Awami League becomes instant freedom fighter. Law minister Qumrul, Home Minister Alamgir, and another minister who is happend to be the PM's relative Mosharraf are all rajakars.
Do any of you have guts to demand the above rajakars' trial?
 
 

From: "Mazumder, Quamrul" <qmazumde@umflint.edu>
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Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

Instead of arguing over this issue which I am sick of it, we must kill all Rajakars similar to what Kader mollah did in 1971. Why are you arguing in favor of kader mollah. Are you a rajakar too?  We must prsecute devils like you too.  Why do you think Rajakars need fair trial?  People like you are fully responsible for supporting Kader Molala.
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From: Shumon Ahmed [shumonoh@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

The prosecutors tried their hard and the justices fully cooperated with Prosecutors in broad day light. They couldn't prove a single thing against Mr. Molla. The judges went out of their way to put him life in prison. If anyone think that they have the proof of his guilt should go to the appellate division and produce their findings.
I am more than sure even with a simple proof, the judges will grant maximum punishment to Mr. Molla. These dumb headed ministers know this more than any of us.


From: Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah
If he is that criminal why did they form the tribunal by less qualified controversial party supporters. If everyone has so much evidence against him why don't we hand him over to the Internal Criminal court where independent judiciary can find him guilty and hang him.

Why can't they just form an independent tribunal where they wouldn't need any skype help?
Why the low class lawyers were retained as prosecutors while much reputed lawyers were ready to serve?

I don't believe in crossfire, but if I have to use it then why not put Sk Hasina, the mother of all troubles in crossfire for her role in 90s to bring the caretaker government for which a lot of people died and were affected.
The shameless woman who trashed the caretaker government system after realizing that in a fair election, she wouldn't get over 20 seats.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:28 PM

Subject: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

Dear Mannan Bhai:

I am terribly disappointed with AL...They failed us all, in my opinion..I hope this criminal will be hanged somehow. If they can't be found guilty in normal way, well, we do have RAB and their cross fire teams, let's use them. Thanks.

Miro

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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: Quader Mollah
Link to my post editorial on the verdict of Quader Mollah. If you like it you may share it with others. Have a nice day. http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-02-06/news/327004 -- _________________________________ Abdul Mannan Educator-Researcher-Writer-Analyst Dhaka Bangladesh






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Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah



Thanks, thanks a lot for your spirit. We could not join the liberation war, now time has come to voice against all razakars & their collaborators who worked against our liberation war in 1971, killed innocent citizens. We hate them, we want to punish them. We have no appropriate language to hate them. We express our solidarity to the brave youngs of our motherland.

God bless them all. We wish their success and we believe no bested quarter will stop them Inshah Allah.

The war criminals already  got enough time under the shade of our 3rd class politicians, We must not allow them any minute more, they must hang & must die and their death body should be thrown out in the sea.

Still we see in TV Talk show, some rakars' blood are dare to talk favoring the razakars,
they should also be punished. In one voice, we must say, those who talk against our
liberation war, they must be driven out from the holy soil of our motherland even they should not be buried here after their death.

May God save us all and save our country from the evils.

Zayeed Abdullah


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On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Why are you still barking ? Did you watch the gathering on TV ? Its now '71 , peoples don't need judges verdict . They are on the street to accomplish the unfinished liberation war . So , long razakar like you and others have been telling us that war criminal trial was AL's political agenda . After finishing the razakars in Bangladesh , our mission will be to track the razakars hiding in abroad !!



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Subject: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

 
Mr. Miro and Mr. Mannan,
 
If Awami appointee Judges can't prosecute Kader Mollah perfectly than who can ?
The real reson is that , prosecution team could not furnish enough evidence
to the court for a capital punishment. Prosecution team members definitely had a role
for this verdict anyway.


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Subject: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:28:16 -0800 (PST)

 
Dear Mannan Bhai:
 
I am terribly disappointed with AL...They failed us all, in my opinion..I hope this criminal will be hanged somehow. If they can't be found guilty in normal way, well, we do have RAB and their cross fire teams, let's use them. Thanks.
 
Miro
 
 
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Subject: Quader Mollah

Link to my post editorial on the verdict of Quader Mollah. If you like it you may share it with others.

Have a nice day.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-02-06/news/327004

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Re: [chottala.com] Quader Mollah ....!!!!!



Mr. Shumon Ahmed.

Your comment on Quader Mollah is incorrect and misleading.
[ You said" "He wasn't in the list of rajakars till 80s .....]
You are right Quader Mollah was not a rajakar !!!!
Worse !!!! As matter of fact Quader Mollah was an Al-bodor bahini
commander in the killing field of Bangladesh in 1971, during our 
liberation war

একাত্তরে 'মিরপুরের কসাই' বলে পরিচিত ছিলেন এই কাদের মোল্লা 
উনসত্তরে ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে পড়তে এসে জাতীয় পর্যায়ে ইসলামী ছাত্রসংঘের 
সঙ্গে জড়িত হন কাদের মোল্লা। মুক্তিযুদ্ধের সময় ছাত্রসংঘ আলবদর বাহিনীতে 
রূপান্তরিত হলে তিনি ঢাকার মিরপুরে ছাত্রসংঘের সদস্যদের নিয়ে আলবদর 
বাহিনী গঠন করেন এবং এ বাহিনীর একজন কমান্ডার হন।   
কাদের মোল্লা মুক্তিযুদ্ধকালে মিরপুরে সংঘটিত অপরাধের অভিযোগে 
১৯৭২ সালের জানুয়ারি মাসে ফরিদপুরে গ্রেফতার হয়েছিলেন। 
১৯৭৫ সালে বঙ্গবন্ধু হত্যাকাণ্ডের পর রাজনৈতিক পটপরিবর্তনের 
সুযোগ নিয়ে ফের প্রকাশ্য রাজনীতিতে আসেন তিনি।
১৯৭৭ সালের ফেব্রুয়ারি মাসে ইসলামী ছাত্রসংঘ ইসলামী ছাত্রশিবির নামে 
প্রতিষ্ঠিত হলে কাদের মোল্লা ছাত্রশিবিরের কেন্দ্রীয় কার্যকরী পরিষদের 
সদস্য হন।
You have said:
"Law minister Qumrul, Home Minister Alamgir, and another minister 
who is happend to be the PM's relative Mosharraf are all rajakars ". 
This is a totally false propaganda perputrated by the opponents 
of the trial [Jamaate Islami protégés] . 
Mr. Shumon, can you honestly present your version of history and 
prove that your accusations against " Qumrul, Alamgir, 
Mosharraf " are not out-and-out false--- and you haven't
engaged in downright falsehood...... [Please describe any
direct action you accuse them of engaging in the killing fields
during the occupation of Bangladesh in 1971].
As a matter of fact Jamaate Islami was the only party in 1971 that
had it's own armed gestapo wing [Al-bodor Bahini
manned by the Jamaat's student-organization Islami Chattro
Sangho]. The Islami Chattro Sangho's hand was so much
taited with the bloods of  innocent un-armed Bangladeshis that 
when it resurfaced around 1977-78 it changed the name to 
Islami Chattro Shibir ..... This a tacit admission of Jamaat's 
crimes and guilts in 1971: The kiilling  of Buddhijibs in December
1971 was the action of Islami Chattro Sangho vis-a-vis
Al-Bodor Bahini ....বদর বাহিনী প্রধানত জামায়াতের কর্মী দ্বারাই
গঠিত হয়েছিল ইসলামী ছাত্র সংঘ' নাম পাল্টিয়ে 'বাংলাদেশ 
ইসলামী ছাত্র শিবির' নামে যাত্রা শুরু করে:  

Thanks for your patience !!!
Sent by:
Syed Aslam

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I know many of you don't believe in fair trial for two reasons. One the truth will come out and the second one is the innocents will go scott free. I understand your feelings, that's why many of you like the Justice Nizamul Huq and his skype engineering.
I am forty year old so I cannot be a rajakar and my family members are freedom fighters the real ones not the fake freedom fighters but I believe in fair trial for everyone. Who will certify who is rajakar? This guy Kader Molla became rajakar in recent years after he said screw you to Awami League leadership when asked for his party's support. He wasn't in the list of rajakars till 80s. Any rajakar when goes through a machine called Awami League becomes instant freedom fighter. Law minister Qumrul, Home Minister Alamgir, and another minister who is happend to be the PM's relative Mosharraf are all rajakars.
Do any of you have guts to demand the above rajakars' trial?
 
 

From: "Mazumder, Quamrul" <qmazumde@umflint.edu>
To: Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com>;
 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

Instead of arguing over this issue which I am sick of it, we must kill all Rajakars similar to what Kader mollah did in 1971. Why are you arguing in favor of kader mollah. Are you a rajakar too?  We must prsecute devils like you too.  Why do you think Rajakars need fair trial?  People like you are fully responsible for supporting Kader Molala.
________________________________
From: Shumon Ahmed [shumonoh@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:49 PM
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com; abman1971@gmail.com; Farzana Ahmed; Shahidul Alam; alapon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

The prosecutors tried their hard and the justices fully cooperated with Prosecutors in broad day light. They couldn't prove a single thing against Mr. Molla. The judges went out of their way to put him life in prison. If anyone think that they have the proof of his guilt should go to the appellate division and produce their findings.
I am more than sure even with a simple proof, the judges will grant maximum punishment to Mr. Molla. These dumb headed ministers know this more than any of us.


From: Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com>
To: "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>; "abman1971@gmail.com" <abman1971@gmail.com>; Farzana Ahmed <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>; ........
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah
If he is that criminal why did they form the tribunal by less qualified controversial party supporters. If everyone has so much evidence against him why don't we hand him over to the Internal Criminal court where independent judiciary can find him guilty and hang him.

Why can't they just form an independent tribunal where they wouldn't need any skype help?
Why the low class lawyers were retained as prosecutors while much reputed lawyers were ready to serve?

I don't believe in crossfire, but if I have to use it then why not put Sk Hasina, the mother of all troubles in crossfire for her role in 90s to bring the caretaker government for which a lot of people died and were affected.
The shameless woman who trashed the caretaker government system after realizing that in a fair election, she wouldn't get over 20 seats.

From: Miro Jangi <mjangi@yahoo.com>
To: "abman1971@gmail.com" <abman1971@gmail.com>; Farzana Ahmed <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>; Shahidul Alam <kms_alam@ymail.com>; "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>; Ajoy Dasgupta <dasguptaajoy@hotmail.com>; ...........
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:28 PM

Subject: [KHABOR] Re: Quader Mollah

Dear Mannan Bhai:

I am terribly disappointed with AL...They failed us all, in my opinion..I hope this criminal will be hanged somehow. If they can't be found guilty in normal way, well, we do have RAB and their cross fire teams, let's use them. Thanks.

Miro

From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
To: Farzana Ahmed <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>; Shahidul Alam <kms_alam@ymail.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; Ajoy Dasgupta <dasguptaajoy@hotmail.com>;  ..........
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: Quader Mollah
Link to my post editorial on the verdict of Quader Mollah. If you like it you may share it with others. Have a nice day. http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-02-06/news/327004                                 Abdul Mannan Educator-Researcher-Writer-Analyst Dhaka Bangladesh





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