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Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Re: [chottala.com] Re: PhD -Mr. Sabbir

Dear Sayed Aslam,
 
May peace be on you.
 
ok, it is not Ph. D but an Honourary Ph.D.
 
but please list some of her social work which gives her even eligibility for Honouraray Ph. D.
 
thnaks
Sabbir
Freelance Software Programmer

Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
wrt:
 
Dear Mr. Sabbir
 
I don't think that a major institution like Boston University (BU)
will be driven by money to award those honorary degrees
to anyone. They have their own standards on these matters.
If you have any concrete facts or info on bribes taken by BU,
why don't you publish that with evidences...
 
Where did you see any comparison with Nelson Mandela, Dr.Yunus
et el in my post?
 
I had very clearly said that, it was on a point of order.....
Hope, you understand that ?
 
My post was intended to nullify the abrupt statement by Mr. Salauddin Ayubi
who said " ...... these leaders were not conferred with doctorates? ".
 
[He is the one who has brought Nelson Mandela, Mohathir Mohammed
et. el. out of context and thereby perpetuated a hidden comparison through
his oblique allusion That gentleman had to do some homeworks and have a little reality
check before trying to fodge his position through his stray comments.]
 
BTW, understanding the contemporary history is a difficult matter, it is
not just few rhetorics or sloganeering  .....!
 
PS: Hasina didn't receive even a single PhD degree. Please don't get
confused with a PhD which is normally a earned degree with honorary
doctorates.......
 
Thanks for expressing your reactions, anyway.
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
 
 On 8/12/08, Sabbir Hossain <sabbirhs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: FW: [ALOCHONA] Re: [chottala.com] Ph.D.

Dear Syed Aslam,
 
May peace be on you.
 
here the main thing is how much money Shekh Hasina spend to get those honourary Degree.
 
Do you really think Hasina is qualified as Nelson Mendala, Dr. Mahathir Mohammad and
Dr. Yunus.?
 
and what kind of wellfare hasina did to the society and the country of Bangladesh?
Can you mention some of her work which gave her the qualification for Ph. D?
 
ok let me list some here..
 
1. Lagatar Hortal
2. Using some special language(Like "Shudkhor")
3. Defining the government house as her pwn house(as a Banga Konna).
 
so please go on .. 
 
regards
Sabbir
Freelance Web Programmer 
 
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@...> wrote:
 
Mr. Ayubi
 
On a point of order:
 
Besides many prizes and awards Nelson Mandela has received about 41 honorary doctorates from various Universities around the world.
 
Matahir Mohammad has also received a few honorary doctorates from
his native Malayasia & abroad.

Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad received
Honorary Doctorate of Knowledge Science from Syiah Kuala University (Unsyiah) ,

By the way, please do not confuse between an earned  PhD and an honorary
doctorate.
 
Syed Aslam

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Re: [chottala.com] Re: PhD/ Dr of Destruction.

Ph.D./Dr of Destruction.
 
Talking about Hasina, it is not actually money that is required to get an honarary degree but contact which is very important. In Boston there is a virbant AL group led by Kibria and couple of other families that must have helped to contact the university. I am almost certain those were the factors for her receiving the other degrees. What is important is that Bangladeshis should look for how much was spent to attend those unnecassary ceremonies.
 
Again, in Bangladesh political leaders fool ordinary people by using those honarary degrees as being the real ones with logic like, Hasina is really a competent person otherewise howcome she had received so many degrees.
 
In reality, however,  Hasina is not a very bright person. We see that in all the pacts she signed that were not carefully articulated. Also Sheikh Mujib's signed Pacts were similar; they are the causes of much problems in today's India-Bangladesh tensed relations, this is especially true in the boundry demarcation. Hasina's Pact with the Tribals caused so much access that she herself refused to execute it.
 
This is not an educated family to act like statesmen/ women. This is a family based its leadership on cheap thrills like gainning credit for signing a pact, gainning honarary Ph.Ds for a show off etc. National interest is not the primary concern to them.
 
Mujib also has an honarary degree not given by any university but by our West Bengali dadas that called him Bangabandu and later on the same dadas helped some Bangladeshis to fight for Bangabhumi. It appears that Bangabandu-bangabhumi have derived from the same source. Bangladeshis hardly use the word banga until our great leader was qualified to receive this honary title.
 
 To the diehard AL hero-worshippers, if you don't say Bangabandu Sheikh Mujib, it is as if you dishonered him by not saying like hazrat. But in 1971 when Mujib send his entire family to the safety of the Paki army and was receving a monthly allowance and left the entire Bangladeshis to face a genocide, surely he lost his title hazrat (the pious one)  in the people's heart but still kept his title Bangabandu (the dada's friend). Shall I say more? No, he is already dead! But Mujib's legacy of BAKSAL fascism lives through Hasina. We saw that in Hasina led pre 1/11 death and destructions. Shall we call her the Doctor of Destruction.

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:40:10 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] Re: PhD -Mr. Sabbir

wrt:
 
Dear Mr. Sabbir
 
I don't think that a major institution like Boston University (BU)
will be driven by money to award those honorary degrees
to anyone. They have their own standards on these matters.
If you have any concrete facts or info on bribes taken by BU,
why don't you publish that with evidences...
 
Where did you see any comparison with Nelson Mandela, Dr.Yunus
et el in my post?
 
I had very clearly said that, it was on a point of order.....
Hope, you understand that ?
 
My post was intended to nullify the abrupt statement by Mr. Salauddin Ayubi
who said " ...... these leaders were not conferred with doctorates? ".
 
[He is the one who has brought Nelson Mandela, Mohathir Mohammed
et. el. out of context and thereby perpetuated a hidden comparison through
his oblique allusion That gentleman had to do some homeworks and have a little reality
check before trying to fodge his position through his stray comments.]
 
BTW, understanding the contemporary history is a difficult matter, it is
not just few rhetorics or sloganeering  .....!
 
PS: Hasina didn't receive even a single PhD degree. Please don't get
confused with a PhD which is normally a earned degree with honorary
doctorates.. .....
 
Thanks for expressing your reactions, anyway.
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
 
 On 8/12/08, Sabbir Hossain <sabbirhs@yahoo. com> wrote:
Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: FW: [ALOCHONA] Re: [chottala.com] Ph.D.

Dear Syed Aslam,
 
May peace be on you.
 
here the main thing is how much money Shekh Hasina spend to get those honourary Degree.
 
Do you really think Hasina is qualified as Nelson Mendala, Dr. Mahathir Mohammad and
Dr. Yunus.?
 
and what kind of wellfare hasina did to the society and the country of Bangladesh?
Can you mention some of her work which gave her the qualification for Ph. D?
 
ok let me list some here..
 
1. Lagatar Hortal
2. Using some special language(Like "Shudkhor")
3. Defining the government house as her pwn house(as a Banga Konna).
 
so please go on .. 
 
regards
Sabbir
Freelance Web Programmer 
 
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ ...> wrote:
 
Mr. Ayubi
 
On a point of order:
 
Besides many prizes and awards Nelson Mandela has received about 41 honorary doctorates from various Universities around the world.
 
Matahir Mohammad has also received a few honorary doctorates from
his native Malayasia & abroad.

Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad received
Honorary Doctorate of Knowledge Science from Syiah Kuala University (Unsyiah) ,

By the way, please do not confuse between an earned  PhD and an honorary
doctorate.
 
Syed Aslam

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[chottala.com] Doctorate issue: Who did the comparison ?

 
 
 
Mr. Faruque Alamgir
 
The moot is honorary doctorate, not an earned PhD - two different things
- not interchangable ....  Meki PhD is another thing .... Some people, seem
to be utterly confused and repeatedly mixing up different things under one
label.
 
The meaning of  the quotation you have presented is very straightfarward and
free from any evasiveness . Just grasp the  conversational implicature of each word......
there is no rhetoric in it ......
 
To be an Anti-Balist is your free choice. True, like everyone else
you have every right to express your position and what you believe in !!!
 
However, in a discussion of one's argument may be self-justified and
self-fulfilling,  but most people can see the bias, clear and simple.
A blogger is known by his blogs : ..one sided partisan bias & rigidity
often hinders meaningful discussions and logical arguments ...
 
Thanks
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 8/13/08, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam

What makes you think that people do not understand the difference between real and Meki PhD ???????.

The point of discussion was making a zero hero. I am opposed to anybody or everybody who tries to highlight any individual over the dignity and entity of Bangladesh. I simply do not care if I am viewed as Anti-Balist,anti JP,anti Janwar razakar or etc etc.

Could you please elaborate what do you mean by

Quote: may have given some complacences to your fellow Mutual Admiration Club [MAC] members: Unquote

Faruque Alamgir


On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:

wrt:
 
Mr. Faruque Alamgir
 
Your parochial  rhetoric and slogan mongering has  not proven anything beyond  focusing your own die-hard anti-BAList position and may have given some
complacences to your fellow Mutual Admiration Club [MAC] members ....
 
Where did you see any comparison in my post?
 
I had very clearly said that, it was on a point of order.....
Hope, you understand that ?
 
My post nullifies abrupt statement by Mr. Salauddin Ayubi who said " ...... these leaders were not conferred with doctorates? ".
 
[He is the one who has brought Nelson Mandela, Mohathir Mohammed
et. el. out of context and thereby perpetuated a hidden comparison through
his oblique allusion]
 
You have every right to stand by your cohort but distorting my
point to support your friend is totally unwarranted.
 
Tell your  friend to do some homeworks and have a little reality
check before trying to fodge his position using stray comments.
 
Thanks for expressing your reactions, anyway.
 
BTW, understanding the contemporary history is a difficult matter, it is not just one of your empty rhetorics or sloganeering  .....!
 
Syed Aslam
PS: Please do not confuse between an earned PhD and an honorary doctorate!
 
On 8/11/08, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: FW: [ALOCHONA] Re: [chottala.com] Ph.D.

Friends

Comparing erudite,prudent,patriot, dignified and successful statesman like Mohathir Mohammed & Nelson Mendela with
rough,indecent,incapable,rude,corrupt Hasina is nothing but tantamount to insult the mentioned world leaders.

That reminds the popular saying " Kothai Agartola kothai
chowkirtola".People should stop being blind to the effect to lose ones own entity.

Faruque Alamgir

On 8/11/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@...> wrote:
wrt: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notun_bangladesh/message/15969

Mr. Ayubi
 
 *On a point of order:*

*Besides many prizes and awards Nelson Mandela has received about 41 honorary doctorates from various Universities around the world.*
 **
 *Matahir Mohammad has also received a few honorary doctorates from *
 *his native Malayasia & **abroad.*


 *Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad received*
 Honorary Doctorate of Knowledge Science from Syiah Kuala University
 (Unsyiah) ,

 *By the way, please do not confuse between an earned PhD and an honorary *
 *doctorate.*

 Syed Aslam
 



On 8/9/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@...> wrote:

If the *PhD s are distributed free* than why is it not conferred to
other leader of the world. There had been some very cometent lesaders E.G
Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, *Mahathir Mohammad*, *Nelson Mandela,* Julius Nyreri,
Ben Bella, Park Chung Hee only to metion a few. Can he explain as to why these leaders were not conferred with doctorates? Hasinas status is that of a pygmy in fronot of those leaders.
Ayubi
--- On *Fri, 8/8/08, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...>* wrote:


From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Re: FW: [ALOCHONA] Re: [chottala.com] Ph.D.
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, "notun Bangladesh" <
notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>,
 dhakamails@yahoogroups.com, diagnose@yahoogroups.com, "Biplob Kuddus" <
vinnomot@yahoogroups.com>, "wideminds" <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "bd_nokia_club YG" <bd_nokia_club@yahoogroups.com>, "
buetian_WDC@yahoogroups.com" <buetian_wdc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:53 PM
Friends

Is there is any sane person other than die hard supporter of Sheik Hasina
who supports the statement as stated by one of her supporter :
Quote :

(16) I am absolutely not the member of any political parties, and
certainly not, of Awwami League. But I am sure,* Sheikh Hasina did not have to pay
any money to earn all these honorary Ph. D.* Degrees. *She must have some
qualities, political or otherwise, that became evident to these University
administrations, and thus she were awarded these Ph. D. Degrees.* IT
SHOULD BE GREETED RATHER THAN DENOUNCE, BY ALL (FRIENDS & FOES).

from a child to adult who are concerned with Bangladesh knows that she
spent million in Dollar to organize these degrees. Plus it reminds me a
joke of the witty Dhakai Garwans on the Point *"She(Hasina) must have some
qualities, political or otherwise"*
 
Once a Garwan(Ghora Gari wala) was bargaining with a passenger just
arrived from village. The Garwan asked for an exhorbitant fare and in reply the
would be passenger told a price which made the Garwan immediately make
remarks that *" Oi Sab ashtey koien aponar kotha hunley Ghora bhi
hasbo".*Had that garwan was alive today and heard or read the red marked
comments then probably he would have repeated the same comments as above.

Faruque Alamgir
 


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