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Friday, October 28, 2011

[chottala.com] Sindh permits Non Moslim Medical Students



Minority student allowed to take MBBS entry test

By Tahir Siddiqui | From the Newspaper

Sagar Ladhani, who completed his O and A levels, assailed the condition of studying Islamiat at O level to get an equivalence certificate from the local education board to appear in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admissions to medical colleges and institutions. – File Photo by AFP

KARACHI: The Sindh High Court on Friday provisionally allowed a religious minority student to appear in the forthcoming placement test for MBBS admission to the Dow University of Health Sciences.

Sagar Ladhani, who completed his O and A levels, assailed the condition of studying Islamiat at O level to get an equivalence certificate from the local education board to appear in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admissions to medical colleges and institutions.

A division bench headed by Chief Justice Mushir Alam put off the hearing of his petition to Nov 15 when the rights of the petitioner would be determined.

The petitioner stated that the subjects of religious studies, prescribed in the O level syllabus, were Islamic Religious Culture and Islamiat for Muslim students and Religious Studies and Bible for Christian students. However, he added, there was no subject in the O level curriculum for the students belonging to other religious minorities, including the Hindus.

He submitted that when he approached the Board of Intermediate Education to obtain an equivalence certificate of A level, he was told that it could be granted to him only if he had passed Religious Studies at O level or Ethics at the Secondary School Certificate (SSC) exams.

He said he was unable to apply to the DUHS for appearing in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admission, as the education board declined to grant him the equivalence certificate as required by the university.

The student was told by the education board that he would not be granted an equivalence certificate unless he passed the SSC examination of Ethics that was scheduled to be held in 2012.

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TURKMAN:

Its a great news for Non Moslim Pakistanis that Apartheid Pakistan's one province has now permitted them to go to Medical Colleges. And what were they protesting about in the West? ... Oh Islamophobia that has not restricted anything so far yet for Moslims except forcing Moslim Females to wear Veil in 3 countries. Yes sir, Religious and Human Rights of our greatest, most tolerant Civilization and Culture are being violated by un-civilized Blood Thirsty Savage Christians in the West.






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[chottala.com] Allahu Akbar during beating



Dear chottala readers,

It is utter surprise when the Libyan rebel groups were beating Col. Gaddafi they were shouting Allahu Akbar. Is it customary in our Muslim religion during beating a person to utter Allahu Akbar?

Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.



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[chottala.com] Afghan Taliban admitted Pak Military backing

Karachi, Oct 28(ANI):

The Taliban in Afghanistan have for the first time publicly admitted receiving help from members of Pakistan's ruling establishment, according to a media report.

The Taliban issued an unprecedented condolence statement on the death of right-wing Pakistani politician Maulana Abdul Ghani, who had died in a car crash on 26 October in Pakistan's Balochistan province, the BBC reports.


His political party, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Fazl (JUI-F), has close links to Pakistan's military, and was part of the governing coalition until earlier this year, the report said.

The Pakistan leadership has always denied any links to the Taliban, but a spokesman for the group told the BBC in a statement that Maulana Ghani - a deputy leader of the JUI-F - was a "martyr for the cause of jihad" - and it would be difficult to replace him.

The Taliban's top leadership was in attendance - along with hundreds of local citizens and Taliban foot soldiers- when the former parliamentarian was laid to rest on Wednesday in his native town of Chaman in Balochistan, the report said, attributing to eyewitnesses.


Later, without giving details, a Taliban spokesman said that Maulana Ghani had shown what he called great courage in supporting the movement after the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, according to the report.

Maulana Ghani's services and commitment for the cause of jihad would never be forgotten, he added. (ANI)

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... and Pakistan Military can not find any Taliban in Pakistan because all of them wear Sulaimaani Topee so, nobody can see them, right?








[chottala.com] Dispatches--- the dubloo dublooo dublooo



FACTS:
* Its always not easy to trace an I.P. Address, when its connected through other I.P. Addresses and is not directly posted on the web.
* Its against US Law to ban Freedom of Speech so, no Websites are blocked. Only Pakistan, Iran, China and some other Moslim Countries have so far banned some websites.
* US Congress has to pass a special Bill if FBI or USA Government requests some Websites to be blocked but the problem is, those websites may re-appear with a new name using a new I.P. Address.
* DEA, CIA, Homeland Security and FBI have no authority outside USA and it can not operate independently in any country outside USA if local Government, its Judicial System or Law Enforcement does not want to co-operate with it.
* Any country can refuse to extradite any American wanted by a US State for Murder if it does not have Death Penalty and that state of USA has Death Penalty despite Extradition Treaty and same goes US Federal Government.
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The Problem we are having with this Propaganda of Nmak Hraam of USA Atif and others like him is, they have lived in USA for year and knows all these things but want to keep spreading their lies against USA because of their hate of USA since Moslims are taught to hate Non Moslims since their birth. They can not love the Non Moslim countries they live off despite that they could not have such a good life in their own countries so they remain thankless Liars. They lie so much all the time because its okay now to lie in Islam.  

From: Atif <atif98@yahoo.com>


Certain dumb ass think that any one and any thing that criticize their views has to be from their perceived enemy.

The entire world wide web (www) is connected through a central system... it is a "web"  it is connected... don't you get it?     duh!

no website can exist in the world without going through 12 root servers that are hosted in some Universities of United States.
no email or web traffic can flow without going through these DNS servers (called domain name servers)

No data can pass anywhere without hopping on to routers owned by United States.

No web page(site) in the world can exist without a unique IP address that is traceable to its physical location within a minute or less...
and no!  the IP can not be faked,  it has to be issued by  organization called Internic...   and they keep track of every IP address to its physical location...  even your smart phone has the IP that can be traced to your couch on which you are sitting right now....

But dumb ass still believe on  AL-QAIDA,  websites,   WIKILEAKS  , or any other websites to be owned and operated independently without being traced.

Here is the  "Public Information"  for the  WEBSITE  called  INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE
this is Public information that anyone can track  in less than 30 seconds.

Read it all you dumb ass who think ... that enemies of United States running these sites...
and you think,  Ontario Canada is on mars and FBI can not reach there....?
Domain ID:D2565082-LRMS
Domain Name:INFORMATIONCLEARINGHOUSE.INFO
Created On:05-Feb-2003 21:18:49 UTC
Last Updated On:22-Apr-2011 10:13:50 UTC
Expiration Date:05-Feb-2016 21:18:49 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R139-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tuxvFQImBePestmb
Registrant Name:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Registrant Organization:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Registrant Street1:96 Mowat Ave Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Toronto Registrant State/Province:ON Registrant Postal Code:M6K3M1 Registrant Country:CA Registrant Phone:+1.4165385457 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:informationclearinghouse.info@contactprivacy.com Admin ID:tuxvFQImBePestmb Admin Name:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263
Admin Organization:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263
Admin Street1:96 Mowat Ave
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Toronto
Admin State/Province:ON
Admin Postal Code:M6K3M1
Admin Country:CA
Admin Phone:+1.4165385457
Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:informationclearinghouse.info@contactprivacy.com Billing ID:tuxvFQImBePestmb Billing Name:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Billing Organization:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Billing Street1:96 Mowat Ave Billing Street2: Billing Street3: Billing City:Toronto Billing State/Province:ON Billing Postal Code:M6K3M1 Billing Country:CA Billing Phone:+1.4165385457 Billing Phone Ext.: Billing FAX: Billing FAX Ext.: Billing Email:informationclearinghouse.info@contactprivacy.com Tech ID:tuxvFQImBePestmb Tech Name:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Tech Organization:Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 016054263 Tech Street1:96 Mowat Ave Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:Toronto Tech State/Province:ON Tech Postal Code:M6K3M1 Tech Country:CA Tech Phone:+1.4165385457 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:informationclearinghouse.info@contactprivacy.com Name Server:NS1.HOSTEDDOMAIN.COM Name Server:NS2.HOSTEDDOMAIN.COM


  


From: Jimmy jamshaid <jimmyjum@gmail.com>
To: S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>

Sent:
Friday, October 28, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Dispatches

I know, I know............yeah, yeah.............only you speak the truth...........biggest LIE from you...........Info Clearing House has nothing to do with Muslims..........

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Information Clearing House is run under Christian Names by Moslim Islamist Extremists, mostly Pakistani Punjabis and its funded by ISI and other Islamist Extremists. This is another Evidence against Jimmy because even the Writer of this article is on ISI Pay Roll in USA and Jimmy has been posting all such articles as he has been told by ISI to do, ... FBI. My comments are inserted below.


From: Jimmy jamshaid <jimmyjum@gmail.com>




By Conn Hallinan
Dispatches From The Edge

October 27, 2011 

"Information Clearing House" -- "Terrorism is not a statistic for us."—Asif Ali Zardari, president of Pakistan

This is a Pakistani truism that few Americans understand. Since the U.S. invaded Afghanistan in October 2001, Pakistan has lost more than 35,000 people, the vast bulk of them civilians.
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TURKMAN: But USA has not killed 35,000 Pakistanis. Only a thousand or less Taliban have been attacked by USA in Self Defense through Drones or inside Afghanistan. Pakistan Army has killed rest of Pakistanis through its irregular Army of Taliban and other JehaaDi Groups and most of the dead have been minorities of Pakistan, not ruling Punjabis, the Ethnicity of Pakistan Army that being a minority itself of 44% of Pakistan's population, believes in 'Divide and Rule' Doctrine. .
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 While the U.S. has had slightly over 1800 soldiers killed in the past 10 years, Pakistan has lost over 5,000 soldiers and police. The number of suicide bombings in Pakistan has gone from one before 2001, to more than 335 since.

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TURKMAN: Correct. But Pakistan Army is 95% Punjabi and 90% of those 5,000 Soldiers have been Non Punjabis. Usually Pathans. 5% dead Punjabis have been only Collateral Damage.
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For most Americans, Pakistan is a two-faced "ally" playing a double game in Central Asia, all while siphoning off tens of billions of dollars in aid. For Pakistanis, the spillover from the Afghan war has cost Islamabad approximately of $100 billion.
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TURKMAN: "Spillover" created by Pakistan Army. If it has cost this much money, how come Pakistan that used to never have more than $ 2 billion in Foreign Exchange Reserves before 2001, has $ 17 billion in Reserves and how come Pakistan had fastest GDP and Per Capita Income growth of the world from 2002 to 2007? How come Pak Foreign Exchange Earnings have more than tripled since 2002 unless, because of Export Concessions that USA has gotten Pakistan from her Allies? Where the hell has Foreign Exchange starving Pakistan that could not reach even $ 1 billion in Foreign Exchange Reserves for a decade before 2001 lost $ 100 billion? It proves, this propaganda of Beggar Pakistan is just a ploy to get more Charity of Aid from USA and her Allies. Nothing else.
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 And this is in a country with a yearly GDP of around $175 billion, and whose resources have been deeply strained by two years of catastrophic flooding.

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TURKMAN: Yeah and we know, before verbally agreeing to co-operate with USA, Pakistan's GDP was $ 55 billion and Per Capita Income was $ 551 and now its about $ 1100 because of US Aid, Loans and Export Concessions that have created millions of new jobs in export-oriented sector of Economy.
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Washington complains that its $20.7 billion in aid over the past nine years has bought it very little in the way of loyalty from Islamabad, while Pakistan points out that U.S. aid makes up less than 0.3 percent of Pakistan's yearly GDP, ...
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TURKMAN: Right but compared to what was Pak GDP, it has been 1% of Pak GDP. What about the Charity of Aid Pakistan received from US Allies because of USA's push? Did that Allah had caused pouring of that Charity from Sky? Add it all together its more than 2% of the GDP and then what about Export Concessions? Have not they been an average yearly increase of 9% in Pak GDP? So, the total average yearly increase in GDP after 2001 has been actually 13% of GDP and this is why Pakis riding even Donkeys have a Mobile/Cell Phone now.
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... what Zahid Hussain, author of a book on Islamic militants, says comes out to "the price of a six-inch personal-size pizza with no extra toppings from Pizza Hut" for each Pakistani. In any case, much of the civilian aid—the bulk, $14.2 billion, goes to the military—has yet to be disbursed.

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TURKMAN: If so, tell us the reasons for record breaking growth of Pak Economy then ...!
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Both countries' opinions of one another are almost mirror images: According to a U.S. poll, 74 percent of Americans do not consider Pakistan to be an ally, while the Pew Research Center found that six in 10 Pakistanis consider the Americans an "enemy," and only 12 Percent have a favorable view of the U.S.
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TURKMAN: Well, Islam teaches all Moslims that Non Moslims are their Enemies so, what's the big surprise there?
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How did this happen? In part the answer is mistakes and misjudgments by both countries that date back to the 1979-89 Russian occupation. But at its heart is an American strategy that not only runs counter to Pakistan's interests, but will make ending the war in Afghanistan a far more painful procedure than it need be.
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TURKMAN: No there have been no mis-judgment by blackmailing, backstabbing Beggar Pakistan. Misjudgment part remains on USA's side completely. Pakistanis JehaaDi Army knows, what its doing.
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If Pakistan is a victim in the long running war, it is not entirely an innocent one. Pakistan, along with the U.S., was an ally of the anti-Communist, right wing Mujahideen during the 1980s Afghan war.
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TURKMAN: No Pakistan is beneficiary of US Invasion of Afghanistan just like it was beneficiary of Afghanistan turning Communist because Pakistan Economy grew a lot during 1980 and 1990 and then from 2002 till now. There was hardly any growth between 1991 and 2001 and Pakistan was a Foreign Exchange starving country during this period. Proof is, Pakistan has been still crying with Tears that USA had left Pakistan high and dry after Soviet Pull Out because had stopped giving her the Charity she was giving because of Afghan JehaaD against USSR. Pakistan Military, the ruler of Pakistan upfront or from behind the curtain of Staged Democracy loves war-like situation in Afghanistan because it has always made her get more US Charity. Economic Data does not lie.
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Pakistan's interest in Afghanistan has always been multi-faceted. Islamabad is deeply worried that its traditional enemy, India, will gain a foothold in Afghanistan, thus essentially surrounding Pakistan. This is not exactly paranoid, as Pakistan has fought—and lost—three wars with India, and tensions between the two still remain high.
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TURKMAN: Oh yeah, India never had any 'foot hold' in Afghanistan and Afghanistan was never an Enemy of Pakistan before though Afghanistan was the only country that had voted against Pakistan's membership of UNO at her birth as a nation. Pakistan has lost 3 wars against India but don't tell this to Pakistanis because they think they have always won and they still celebrate their defeats, on of them, 6th of September (1965 war). The Question is, why crazy Pakistan had attacked India covertly in 1965, had gone to war with majority of population of Pakistanis in 1971 and why it had attacked independent free state of Kashmir without any provocation just because its Ruler was a Hindu to have wars started with India?
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Over the past six years, India has conducted 10 major military exercises along the Pakistani border, the latest—Viajyee Bhava (Be Victorious)—involved 20,000 troops and what New Delhi military spokesman S.D. Goswaim called "sustained massed mechanized maneuvers." Pakistan is the only potential enemy in the region that "massed" armored formations could be aimed at. India has the world's fourth largest army, Pakistan's the 15th.
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TURKMAN: You are writing, what ISI told you but according to Institute of Strategic Studies, India has 3rd largest Army of the world, not 4th and Pakistan is 7th, not 15th. The 15th is Thailand with 307,000 Troops. The Problem is, Pakistan Military thinks its stronger than not only Indian but also US Army or why else it would keep terrorizing India and USA both at the same time? You see, Pak Military believes, modern Wars are won by JehaaDi Sneak Attack Terrorism and it is the largest and most advanced in this. Since it has become a Cardinal Sin to nuke any country, not only that USA but also India can not dare to nuke Pak Military and it has to take advantage of that. On the other hand Pak Military knows, it can then nuke Israel and India immediately if Nukes were used against it. USA has to understand, where Pak JehaaDi Military is coming from.
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By aligning itself with Washington during its Cold War competition with the Soviets in Afghanistan, Islamabad had the inside track to buy high performance American military hardware to help it offset India's numerical superiority. Indeed, it did manage to purchase some F-16s fighter-bombers.

But in Central Asia, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. When Pakistan allied itself with the Taliban, India aligned itself with the Northern Alliance composed of Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras, who opposed the Pashtun-dominated Taliban.
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TURKMAN: When the hell this had happened? Why the hell Tajik President was in Islamabad increasing trade ties with Pakistan? The fact is, they are not allied with India. They are member of Russian Commonwealth and have a Defense Pact with Russia, sorry to refute your General Knowledge, but why would they be scared of Pakistan and Taliban despite that and would run to India for help on other side of Pakistan?
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 Pashtuns are a plurality in Afghanistan's complex mix of ethnicities, and traditionally they dominated the Kabul government.

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TURKMAN: No they are not. They are only 40% of Afghanistan's population but the largest ethnic group just like Punjabis in Pakistan. Majority of Afghans hate Pashtuns just like majority of Pakistanis hate Punjabis.
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Islamabad has always been deeply concerned about the Pashtuns, because the ethnic group makes up some 15 percent of Pakistan's population, and Pashtuns do not recognize the colonial period border—the so-called Durand Line—that forms the current boundary between the two countries. A long-time fear of Islamabad is that Pakistani Pashtuns could ally themselves to Afghani Pashtuns and form a breakaway country that would fragment Pakistan.
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TURKMAN: And Afghanistan has not withdrawn claim over its part of Pakistan that Pakistan had usurped right after being declared a Dominion country by the British in 1947. NWF Province now called PakhToon Khwah is a Pakistan Occupied land and was never given to Pakistan by the British just like Baluchistan, Bahwalpur, Kashmir and the land Pakistan calls Northern Territories etc.
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From Islamabad's point of view, the American demand that it corral the Taliban and the Haqqani Group that operate from mountainous Northwest Frontier and Federally Administrated Tribal Areas of Pakistan might stir up Pashtun nationalism, one of those things that goes bump in the night for most Pakistanis.
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TURKMAN: Its a lie because backing of its Mercenaries, Taliban, who have been slaughtering PushToons of Pakistan and Afghanistan, Punjabi Pak Military has created hate against itself on both sides of Pak-Afghan Border. The Real reason is, Taliban are Irregular Pakistan Army Commando Units. Is not a country supposed to be responsible for its people, who attack a neighboring country? Tell us Constitution of which country in the world permits, Non Government Militia? Which countries except for Sudan and Pakistan have such Militias backed by their Military?   
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 In any case, the task would be beyond the capabilities of the Pakistan military. In 2009, the Pakistani Army used two full divisions just to reclaim the Swat Valley from local militants, a battle that cost billions of dollars, generated two million refugees, and inflicted heavy casualties.

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TURKMAN: A lie. Pak Military had ordered Taliban to take over those regions and that had caused people to flee because they had not wanted their Daughters raped and Shriyaa Law imposed on them. Are you saying 700,000 Strong Pak Military can not control just a few thousand Taliban for 10 long years, while 90,000 Soldiers of it could control whole rebellion in East Pakistan or half of Pakistan's population within a couple of days? Who the hell are you kidding? All Pakistanis know, Taliban are on Pak Miliitary's Pay Roll but not Obama.
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Current U.S. strategy has exacerbated Pakistan's problem by putting the Northern Alliance in power, excluding the Pashtuns from any meaningful participation, and targeting the ethnic group's heartland in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan. According to Hussain, this has turned the war into a "Pashtun war," and meant, "The Pashtuns in Pakistan would become…strongly allied with both al Qaeda and the Taliban."
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TURKMAN: Oh yeah, yeah and this is why Northern Alliance Presidential Candidate has lost 2 Elections in Afghanistan and PushToon, Karzai has won even though USA had told him not to run in last Elections. The Lie spread by ISI to keep telling 15% of its population, the PushToons that Afghan Government has been discriminating against their PashTun Brothers in Afghanistan and Tajiks are in power.
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The U.S has also remained silent while India moved aggressively into Afghanistan. On Oct. 4, Kabul and New Delhi inked a "strategic partnership" which, according to the New York Times, "paves the way for India to train and equip Afghan security forces." The idea of India training Afghan troops is the equivalent of waving a red flag to see if the Pakistani bull will charge.
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TURKMAN: Even USA's training of Afghan Troops was evil according to Pak Military because Afghans should not have any Army to defend their country from Pakistanis called Taliban and Pak Army disguised as Taliban so, when USA leaves, the so called 'Afghan Taliban', who have not won a single seat in assembly of Afghanistan in last 2 Elections could take over that country. May we ask, if Baby Pakistan is scared of Indian Influence from population of less than 1/7th size of Pakistan because she worries about her security and actually loves Afghanistan so much and wants to enhance her influence, what had Pakistan done for Afghans during 5 year rule of Afghanistan through Taliban besides slaughtering Afghans? Why has not Pakistan ever offered any help to Afghans that India, Russia, USA, China and Allies of USA have in rebuilding Afghanistan? Why the greatest Army of the world, Pak Military never thought of training Afghan Army?
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One pretext for the agreement was the recent assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani, head of the Afghan High Peace Council, whom the Karzai government claims was killed by the Taliban under the direction of the Pakistani secret service, the ISI. But evidence linking the Taliban or Pakistan to the hit is not persuasive, and the Taliban and Haqqani Group—never shy about taking the credit for killing people—say they had nothing to do with it. Pakistan's ISI certainly maintains a relationship with the Afghan-based Taliban and the Haqqani Group, but former Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Mike Mullen's charge that the latter are a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's ISI is simply false. The Haqqanis come from the powerful Zadran Gaum Pushtun tribe based in Paktia and Khost provinces in Afghanistan, and North Wazirstan in Pakistan's Tribal Area. It was one of the most effective military groupings in the war with the Russians, and is certainly the most dangerous group of fighters in the current war.
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TURKMAN; Yeah, yeah. It was Conspiracy to defame saintly Pak Military by USA or India just like 9/11, 7/7, Madrid Train Bombings, Kenyan Embassy Bombing, USS Coal Attack, Kabul Indian Embassy Bombing, US Embassy Bombing, Bali Bombing, Marriott Islamabad Bombing and Mumbai Bombings. Saintly pious JehaaDis, Taliban and their Haqqani Groups are only Volunteer Social Worker's Organizations that have never ever even touched a Pistol in their lives.
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When their interests coincide the Haqqanis find common ground with Islamabad, but the idea that Pakistan can get anyone in that region to jump to attention reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the deeply engrained cultural and ethnic currents that have successfully rebuffed outsiders for thousands of years. And in the border region, the Pakistan Army is as much an outsider as is NATO.
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TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure but are not Central Asian countries the same Moslim people with same culture? How come only Afghanistan, where Pak Military has been interfering constantly since her birth has this situation?
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There a way out of this morass, but it will require a very different strategy than the one the U.S. is currently following, and one far more attuned to the lens through which most Pakistanis view the war in Afghanistan.

First, the U.S. and its allies must stand down their military offensive—including the drone attacks—against the Taliban and Haqqani Group, and negotiate a ceasefire.
Second, the U.S. must open immediate talks with the various insurgency groups and declare a plan for the withdrawal of all foreign troops. The Taliban—the Haqqanis say they will follow the organization's lead—has indicated they will no longer insist on a withdrawal of troops before opening talks, but they do want a timetable.
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TURKMAN: Ceasefire? Where the war is and where is the Front Line to hold Ceasefire? Sneak Attack Terrorism is regular war? Who was USA Drone Attacking before 2003, when Pak Military had started infiltrating Pakistanis called Taliban in to Afghanistan? Why doesn't Pakistan Military backs down and orders its Mercenaries to stop Sneak Attacking first?  Why Taliban would negotiate less than surrender of Afghanistan to them, when this is what Pak Military wants? Why should USA negotiate with Pak Military Mercenaries instead of their Mother Pak Army that pays their Salaries and has been arming them since 1994?
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Third, recognition that any government in Kabul must reflect the ethnic make-up of the country.
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TURKMAN: Is Afghanistan a part of Pakistan that USA should listen to this Pakistani demand? How come Punjabi Pak Military, Police, Government Servants, Employees of Government Owned Industries do not have to reflect the same, what is being demanded by Pakistan? What evidence is there that Afghanistan does not have all this already?
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Fourth, Pakistan's concerns over Indian influence need to be addressed, including the dangerous issue of Kashmir. President Obama ran on a platform that called for dealing with Kashmir, but subsequently dropped it at the insistence of New Delhi. The issue needs to be put back on the table. The next dust-up between Pakistan and India could go nuclear, which would be a catastrophe of immeasurable proportions.
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TURKMAN: Why not Obama just bomb the hell of Pak Military and dis-integrate World JehaaDi Training Camp, Pakistan instead to solve the Kashmir, Taliban and Worldwide Terrorism Problem for good, instead?
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Pakistan and the U.S. may have profoundly different views of one another, but at least one issue they agree: slightly over 90 percent of Pakistanis would like U.S. troops to go home, and 62 percent of Americans want an immediate cut in U.S. forces. Common ground in this case seems to be based on a strong dose of common sense.
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TURKMAN: Yeah but no Americans and Non Moslims of the world want Pakistan Military to keep training JehaaDi Sneak Attack Terrorists in its Camps that Pak Military claims, they do not exist.
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Conn M. Hallinan is a columnist for Foreign Policy In Focus, "A Think Tank Without Walls, and an independent journalist. He holds a PhD in Anthropology from the University of California, Berkeley. He oversaw the journalism program at the University of California at Santa Cruz for 23 years, and won the UCSC Alumni Association's Distinguished Teaching Award, as well as UCSC's Innovations in Teaching Award, and Excellence in Teaching Award. He was also a college provost at UCSC, and retired in 2004. He is a winner of a Project Censored "Real News Award," and lives in Berkeley, California.
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TURKMAN: This so called 'Foreign Policy Analyst' is on ISI Pay Roll for a while and should be investigated by FBI. 
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[chottala.com] Victory Day Celebration at the Bangladesh Embassy on 17 December 2011



Dear all,
 
The Embassy of Bangladesh in Washington DC is organizing an event to celebrate the '40 years of Victory' on 17 December 2011, Saturday at 6:30 PM at its Bangabandhu Auditorium. All are cordially invited.
 
Address of the Embassy:              3510 International Drive, NW
                                               Washington, DC -20008
 
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Muhammad Nazmul Hoque
First Secretary and HOC


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Information Clearing House is run under Christian Names by Moslim Islamist Extremists, mostly Pakistani Punjabis and its funded by ISI and other Islamist Extremists. This is another Evidence against Jimmy because even the Writer of this article is on ISI Pay Roll in USA and Jimmy has been posting all such articles as he has been told by ISI to do, ... FBI. My comments are inserted below.


From: Jimmy jamshaid <jimmyjum@gmail.com>




By Conn Hallinan
Dispatches From The Edge

October 27, 2011 

"Information Clearing House" -- "Terrorism is not a statistic for us."—Asif Ali Zardari, president of Pakistan

This is a Pakistani truism that few Americans understand. Since the U.S. invaded Afghanistan in October 2001, Pakistan has lost more than 35,000 people, the vast bulk of them civilians.
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TURKMAN: But USA has not killed 35,000 Pakistanis. Only a thousand or less Taliban have been attacked by USA in Self Defense through Drones or inside Afghanistan. Pakistan Army has killed rest of Pakistanis through its irregular Army of Taliban and other JehaaDi Groups and most of the dead have been minorities of Pakistan, not ruling Punjabis, the Ethnicity of Pakistan Army that being a minority itself of 44% of Pakistan's population, believes in 'Divide and Rule' Doctrine. .
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 While the U.S. has had slightly over 1800 soldiers killed in the past 10 years, Pakistan has lost over 5,000 soldiers and police. The number of suicide bombings in Pakistan has gone from one before 2001, to more than 335 since.

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TURKMAN: Correct. But Pakistan Army is 95% Punjabi and 90% of those 5,000 Soldiers have been Non Punjabis. Usually Pathans. 5% dead Punjabis have been only Collateral Damage.
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For most Americans, Pakistan is a two-faced "ally" playing a double game in Central Asia, all while siphoning off tens of billions of dollars in aid. For Pakistanis, the spillover from the Afghan war has cost Islamabad approximately of $100 billion.
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TURKMAN: "Spillover" created by Pakistan Army. If it has cost this much money, how come Pakistan that used to never have more than $ 2 billion in Foreign Exchange Reserves before 2001, has $ 17 billion in Reserves and how come Pakistan had fastest GDP and Per Capita Income growth of the world from 2002 to 2007? How come Pak Foreign Exchange Earnings have more than tripled since 2002 unless, because of Export Concessions that USA has gotten Pakistan from her Allies? Where the hell has Foreign Exchange starving Pakistan that could not reach even $ 1 billion in Foreign Exchange Reserves for a decade before 2001 lost $ 100 billion? It proves, this propaganda of Beggar Pakistan is just a ploy to get more Charity of Aid from USA and her Allies. Nothing else.
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 And this is in a country with a yearly GDP of around $175 billion, and whose resources have been deeply strained by two years of catastrophic flooding.

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TURKMAN: Yeah and we know, before verbally agreeing to co-operate with USA, Pakistan's GDP was $ 55 billion and Per Capita Income was $ 551 and now its about $ 1100 because of US Aid, Loans and Export Concessions that have created millions of new jobs in export-oriented sector of Economy.
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Washington complains that its $20.7 billion in aid over the past nine years has bought it very little in the way of loyalty from Islamabad, while Pakistan points out that U.S. aid makes up less than 0.3 percent of Pakistan's yearly GDP, ...
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TURKMAN: Right but compared to what was Pak GDP, it has been 1% of Pak GDP. What about the Charity of Aid Pakistan received from US Allies because of USA's push? Did that Allah had caused pouring of that Charity from Sky? Add it all together its more than 2% of the GDP and then what about Export Concessions? Have not they been an average yearly increase of 9% in Pak GDP? So, the total average yearly increase in GDP after 2001 has been actually 13% of GDP and this is why Pakis riding even Donkeys have a Mobile/Cell Phone now.
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... what Zahid Hussain, author of a book on Islamic militants, says comes out to "the price of a six-inch personal-size pizza with no extra toppings from Pizza Hut" for each Pakistani. In any case, much of the civilian aid—the bulk, $14.2 billion, goes to the military—has yet to be disbursed.

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TURKMAN: If so, tell us the reasons for record breaking growth of Pak Economy then ...!
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Both countries' opinions of one another are almost mirror images: According to a U.S. poll, 74 percent of Americans do not consider Pakistan to be an ally, while the Pew Research Center found that six in 10 Pakistanis consider the Americans an "enemy," and only 12 Percent have a favorable view of the U.S.
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TURKMAN: Well, Islam teaches all Moslims that Non Moslims are their Enemies so, what's the big surprise there?
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How did this happen? In part the answer is mistakes and misjudgments by both countries that date back to the 1979-89 Russian occupation. But at its heart is an American strategy that not only runs counter to Pakistan's interests, but will make ending the war in Afghanistan a far more painful procedure than it need be.
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TURKMAN: No there have been no mis-judgment by blackmailing, backstabbing Beggar Pakistan. Misjudgment part remains on USA's side completely. Pakistanis JehaaDi Army knows, what its doing.
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If Pakistan is a victim in the long running war, it is not entirely an innocent one. Pakistan, along with the U.S., was an ally of the anti-Communist, right wing Mujahideen during the 1980s Afghan war.
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TURKMAN: No Pakistan is beneficiary of US Invasion of Afghanistan just like it was beneficiary of Afghanistan turning Communist because Pakistan Economy grew a lot during 1980 and 1990 and then from 2002 till now. There was hardly any growth between 1991 and 2001 and Pakistan was a Foreign Exchange starving country during this period. Proof is, Pakistan has been still crying with Tears that USA had left Pakistan high and dry after Soviet Pull Out because had stopped giving her the Charity she was giving because of Afghan JehaaD against USSR. Pakistan Military, the ruler of Pakistan upfront or from behind the curtain of Staged Democracy loves war-like situation in Afghanistan because it has always made her get more US Charity. Economic Data does not lie.
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Pakistan's interest in Afghanistan has always been multi-faceted. Islamabad is deeply worried that its traditional enemy, India, will gain a foothold in Afghanistan, thus essentially surrounding Pakistan. This is not exactly paranoid, as Pakistan has fought—and lost—three wars with India, and tensions between the two still remain high.
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TURKMAN: Oh yeah, India never had any 'foot hold' in Afghanistan and Afghanistan was never an Enemy of Pakistan before though Afghanistan was the only country that had voted against Pakistan's membership of UNO at her birth as a nation. Pakistan has lost 3 wars against India but don't tell this to Pakistanis because they think they have always won and they still celebrate their defeats, on of them, 6th of September (1965 war). The Question is, why crazy Pakistan had attacked India covertly in 1965, had gone to war with majority of population of Pakistanis in 1971 and why it had attacked independent free state of Kashmir without any provocation just because its Ruler was a Hindu to have wars started with India?
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Over the past six years, India has conducted 10 major military exercises along the Pakistani border, the latest—Viajyee Bhava (Be Victorious)—involved 20,000 troops and what New Delhi military spokesman S.D. Goswaim called "sustained massed mechanized maneuvers." Pakistan is the only potential enemy in the region that "massed" armored formations could be aimed at. India has the world's fourth largest army, Pakistan's the 15th.
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TURKMAN: You are writing, what ISI told you but according to Institute of Strategic Studies, India has 3rd largest Army of the world, not 4th and Pakistan is 7th, not 15th. The 15th is Thailand with 307,000 Troops. The Problem is, Pakistan Military thinks its stronger than not only Indian but also US Army or why else it would keep terrorizing India and USA both at the same time? You see, Pak Military believes, modern Wars are won by JehaaDi Sneak Attack Terrorism and it is the largest and most advanced in this. Since it has become a Cardinal Sin to nuke any country, not only that USA but also India can not dare to nuke Pak Military and it has to take advantage of that. On the other hand Pak Military knows, it can then nuke Israel and India immediately if Nukes were used against it. USA has to understand, where Pak JehaaDi Military is coming from.
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By aligning itself with Washington during its Cold War competition with the Soviets in Afghanistan, Islamabad had the inside track to buy high performance American military hardware to help it offset India's numerical superiority. Indeed, it did manage to purchase some F-16s fighter-bombers.

But in Central Asia, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. When Pakistan allied itself with the Taliban, India aligned itself with the Northern Alliance composed of Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras, who opposed the Pashtun-dominated Taliban.
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TURKMAN: When the hell this had happened? Why the hell Tajik President was in Islamabad increasing trade ties with Pakistan? The fact is, they are not allied with India. They are member of Russian Commonwealth and have a Defense Pact with Russia, sorry to refute your General Knowledge, but why would they be scared of Pakistan and Taliban despite that and would run to India for help on other side of Pakistan?
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 Pashtuns are a plurality in Afghanistan's complex mix of ethnicities, and traditionally they dominated the Kabul government.

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TURKMAN: No they are not. They are only 40% of Afghanistan's population but the largest ethnic group just like Punjabis in Pakistan. Majority of Afghans hate Pashtuns just like majority of Pakistanis hate Punjabis.
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Islamabad has always been deeply concerned about the Pashtuns, because the ethnic group makes up some 15 percent of Pakistan's population, and Pashtuns do not recognize the colonial period border—the so-called Durand Line—that forms the current boundary between the two countries. A long-time fear of Islamabad is that Pakistani Pashtuns could ally themselves to Afghani Pashtuns and form a breakaway country that would fragment Pakistan.
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TURKMAN: And Afghanistan has not withdrawn claim over its part of Pakistan that Pakistan had usurped right after being declared a Dominion country by the British in 1947. NWF Province now called PakhToon Khwah is a Pakistan Occupied land and was never given to Pakistan by the British just like Baluchistan, Bahwalpur, Kashmir and the land Pakistan calls Northern Territories etc.
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From Islamabad's point of view, the American demand that it corral the Taliban and the Haqqani Group that operate from mountainous Northwest Frontier and Federally Administrated Tribal Areas of Pakistan might stir up Pashtun nationalism, one of those things that goes bump in the night for most Pakistanis.
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TURKMAN: Its a lie because backing of its Mercenaries, Taliban, who have been slaughtering PushToons of Pakistan and Afghanistan, Punjabi Pak Military has created hate against itself on both sides of Pak-Afghan Border. The Real reason is, Taliban are Irregular Pakistan Army Commando Units. Is not a country supposed to be responsible for its people, who attack a neighboring country? Tell us Constitution of which country in the world permits, Non Government Militia? Which countries except for Sudan and Pakistan have such Militias backed by their Military?   
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 In any case, the task would be beyond the capabilities of the Pakistan military. In 2009, the Pakistani Army used two full divisions just to reclaim the Swat Valley from local militants, a battle that cost billions of dollars, generated two million refugees, and inflicted heavy casualties.

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TURKMAN: A lie. Pak Military had ordered Taliban to take over those regions and that had caused people to flee because they had not wanted their Daughters raped and Shriyaa Law imposed on them. Are you saying 700,000 Strong Pak Military can not control just a few thousand Taliban for 10 long years, while 90,000 Soldiers of it could control whole rebellion in East Pakistan or half of Pakistan's population within a couple of days? Who the hell are you kidding? All Pakistanis know, Taliban are on Pak Miliitary's Pay Roll but not Obama.
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Current U.S. strategy has exacerbated Pakistan's problem by putting the Northern Alliance in power, excluding the Pashtuns from any meaningful participation, and targeting the ethnic group's heartland in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan. According to Hussain, this has turned the war into a "Pashtun war," and meant, "The Pashtuns in Pakistan would become…strongly allied with both al Qaeda and the Taliban."
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TURKMAN: Oh yeah, yeah and this is why Northern Alliance Presidential Candidate has lost 2 Elections in Afghanistan and PushToon, Karzai has won even though USA had told him not to run in last Elections. The Lie spread by ISI to keep telling 15% of its population, the PushToons that Afghan Government has been discriminating against their PashTun Brothers in Afghanistan and Tajiks are in power.
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The U.S has also remained silent while India moved aggressively into Afghanistan. On Oct. 4, Kabul and New Delhi inked a "strategic partnership" which, according to the New York Times, "paves the way for India to train and equip Afghan security forces." The idea of India training Afghan troops is the equivalent of waving a red flag to see if the Pakistani bull will charge.
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TURKMAN: Even USA's training of Afghan Troops was evil according to Pak Military because Afghans should not have any Army to defend their country from Pakistanis called Taliban and Pak Army disguised as Taliban so, when USA leaves, the so called 'Afghan Taliban', who have not won a single seat in assembly of Afghanistan in last 2 Elections could take over that country. May we ask, if Baby Pakistan is scared of Indian Influence from population of less than 1/7th size of Pakistan because she worries about her security and actually loves Afghanistan so much and wants to enhance her influence, what had Pakistan done for Afghans during 5 year rule of Afghanistan through Taliban besides slaughtering Afghans? Why has not Pakistan ever offered any help to Afghans that India, Russia, USA, China and Allies of USA have in rebuilding Afghanistan? Why the greatest Army of the world, Pak Military never thought of training Afghan Army?
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One pretext for the agreement was the recent assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani, head of the Afghan High Peace Council, whom the Karzai government claims was killed by the Taliban under the direction of the Pakistani secret service, the ISI. But evidence linking the Taliban or Pakistan to the hit is not persuasive, and the Taliban and Haqqani Group—never shy about taking the credit for killing people—say they had nothing to do with it. Pakistan's ISI certainly maintains a relationship with the Afghan-based Taliban and the Haqqani Group, but former Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Mike Mullen's charge that the latter are a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's ISI is simply false. The Haqqanis come from the powerful Zadran Gaum Pushtun tribe based in Paktia and Khost provinces in Afghanistan, and North Wazirstan in Pakistan's Tribal Area. It was one of the most effective military groupings in the war with the Russians, and is certainly the most dangerous group of fighters in the current war.
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TURKMAN; Yeah, yeah. It was Conspiracy to defame saintly Pak Military by USA or India just like 9/11, 7/7, Madrid Train Bombings, Kenyan Embassy Bombing, USS Coal Attack, Kabul Indian Embassy Bombing, US Embassy Bombing, Bali Bombing, Marriott Islamabad Bombing and Mumbai Bombings. Saintly pious JehaaDis, Taliban and their Haqqani Groups are only Volunteer Social Worker's Organizations that have never ever even touched a Pistol in their lives.
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When their interests coincide the Haqqanis find common ground with Islamabad, but the idea that Pakistan can get anyone in that region to jump to attention reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the deeply engrained cultural and ethnic currents that have successfully rebuffed outsiders for thousands of years. And in the border region, the Pakistan Army is as much an outsider as is NATO.
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TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure but are not Central Asian countries the same Moslim people with same culture? How come only Afghanistan, where Pak Military has been interfering constantly since her birth has this situation?
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There a way out of this morass, but it will require a very different strategy than the one the U.S. is currently following, and one far more attuned to the lens through which most Pakistanis view the war in Afghanistan.

First, the U.S. and its allies must stand down their military offensive—including the drone attacks—against the Taliban and Haqqani Group, and negotiate a ceasefire.
Second, the U.S. must open immediate talks with the various insurgency groups and declare a plan for the withdrawal of all foreign troops. The Taliban—the Haqqanis say they will follow the organization's lead—has indicated they will no longer insist on a withdrawal of troops before opening talks, but they do want a timetable.
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TURKMAN: Ceasefire? Where the war is and where is the Front Line to hold Ceasefire? Sneak Attack Terrorism is regular war? Who was USA Drone Attacking before 2003, when Pak Military had started infiltrating Pakistanis called Taliban in to Afghanistan? Why doesn't Pakistan Military backs down and orders its Mercenaries to stop Sneak Attacking first?  Why Taliban would negotiate less than surrender of Afghanistan to them, when this is what Pak Military wants? Why should USA negotiate with Pak Military Mercenaries instead of their Mother Pak Army that pays their Salaries and has been arming them since 1994?
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Third, recognition that any government in Kabul must reflect the ethnic make-up of the country.
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TURKMAN: Is Afghanistan a part of Pakistan that USA should listen to this Pakistani demand? How come Punjabi Pak Military, Police, Government Servants, Employees of Government Owned Industries do not have to reflect the same, what is being demanded by Pakistan? What evidence is there that Afghanistan does not have all this already?
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Fourth, Pakistan's concerns over Indian influence need to be addressed, including the dangerous issue of Kashmir. President Obama ran on a platform that called for dealing with Kashmir, but subsequently dropped it at the insistence of New Delhi. The issue needs to be put back on the table. The next dust-up between Pakistan and India could go nuclear, which would be a catastrophe of immeasurable proportions.
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TURKMAN: Why not Obama just bomb the hell of Pak Military and dis-integrate World JehaaDi Training Camp, Pakistan instead to solve the Kashmir, Taliban and Worldwide Terrorism Problem for good, instead?
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Pakistan and the U.S. may have profoundly different views of one another, but at least one issue they agree: slightly over 90 percent of Pakistanis would like U.S. troops to go home, and 62 percent of Americans want an immediate cut in U.S. forces. Common ground in this case seems to be based on a strong dose of common sense.
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TURKMAN: Yeah but no Americans and Non Moslims of the world want Pakistan Military to keep training JehaaDi Sneak Attack Terrorists in its Camps that Pak Military claims, they do not exist.
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Conn M. Hallinan is a columnist for Foreign Policy In Focus, "A Think Tank Without Walls, and an independent journalist. He holds a PhD in Anthropology from the University of California, Berkeley. He oversaw the journalism program at the University of California at Santa Cruz for 23 years, and won the UCSC Alumni Association's Distinguished Teaching Award, as well as UCSC's Innovations in Teaching Award, and Excellence in Teaching Award. He was also a college provost at UCSC, and retired in 2004. He is a winner of a Project Censored "Real News Award," and lives in Berkeley, California.
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TURKMAN: This so called 'Foreign Policy Analyst' is on ISI Pay Roll for a while and should be investigated by FBI. 
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