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Tuesday, August 17, 2010

[chottala.com] Re: KHABOR war crime issue was hardly highlighted in AL election speeches .......



Mr.  S.A. Hannan
 
You said : "Voters in Bangladesh hardly read manifesto."  Is that
the reason the Jamaat goess to the voters with religious LEBASH to
achieve it's objectives by the way of deceptions ........?
 
In any case  you have admitted that "The trial of war criminals was in a
small para of the AL manifesto. ......." ....
 
Obviously, neither BNP nor Jamaat or any of their leaders
alerted the voters about the "fine prints" ....(or chose to
avoid  the war crime issue for obvious reasons). The BNP didn't want
to side with war criminals  before the election .....and Jamaat was
very cautious so that their 1971 crimes stay behind the veils assuming
that voters are fools...
 
In any case, voters gave their verdict if favor of the proponents of war
crime trials  [Many analysts believe that Election in the month of
December was a factor for AL's victory  ...]
 
And now, it is upto the ruling party and the parliament to
set their priorities on the trial of war criminals and other
national issues .... clearly, the process is underway .......
 
Syed Aslam
 


 
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:06 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu Alaikum.The trial of war criminals was in a small para of the AL manifesto. Voters in Bangladesh hardly read manifesto. It was not at all highlighted, hardly mentioned, as an issue in election speeches. Any body can see the newspapers of pre-election days.

Now a mountain is being made of a mole hill.

 

The rest is just old-style propaganda .

Shah Abdul Hannan

 


From: khabor@yahoogroups.com [mailto:khabor@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Syed_Aslam3
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:34 AM
To: Khobor; chottala@yahoogroups.com; Sonar Bangladesh
Subject: KHABOR A few important issues for our deep thinking .......

 

 

 

Mr. Izhar Ahmed (AKA S. Ayubi)

 

The question of trials of the Al-bodori death squad members and the

organizers of killing missions became a issue is due to public demand

before the last election .....it is an election mandate for BAL

 .....and there is no statute of limitations  on the trial of the killers and their leaders ....

 

The killer Jamaatis acted in their killing missions not for any personal

reason but with  Political objectives ..... even during the last weeks

of the war in 1971 when the Jamaat (vis-a-vis it's Al-Bodor wing)

realized that deafeat was certain, they continued killing the innocent

civilians and Bangalee intelectuals with a long term political

objective.....

 

Call it "digg out murky past ", call it political, call moral or call it

national conscience the trial of the Al-Bodor Death Squad members

and it's organizers is a  must ......

 

By your assertion "dig out the murky past", you are verily admitting

that the Jamaat's 1971-role was crimnal and murky .... you just

don't want their trial you want to keep the "murky past". hidden under

the rugs ....

 

In any case, as we all know :

"The past is never dead. It's not even past."   ....

The killers and the families of the victims are still alive

right here in Bangladesh ......

 

As a silent onlooker of contemporay event, I  can only

say that history has a very weird way of correcting itself ...

and that is what we see now... tomorrow will be a better

day for all of us ....

 

Syed Aslam

 

PS:The issue is trial of the killers not the exactly same  

trial of the traitors  ......and keep them separated ......

 



 

On 8/15/10, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

PP3

       My question is why were they not tried durin 1972 to 75 BAL administration. Why are present day BAL administration trying to dig out the murky past now? Isnt the motive to hit political opponent  below the belt?

                             Ayubi

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Syed_Aslam3 <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed_Aslam3 <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] A few important issues for our deep thinking
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:18 AM

 

             

Dear All

  

1. Jamaate Islami was the only political party in 1971 whose central

committe [Majlis-i-Shura] under the leadership of Gholam Azam, decided to organize a Killing squads viz. Al-Bodor Bahini.  [Jamaat's Golam Azam, Nizami, Mujahid  gang was at the helm of violent Death Squad & collaborators  that was in  "Active Duly" in the killing fields of 1971 Bangladesh ....].  Crimes against our nation and crimes agaist humanity were committed by Jamaat in the name of religion.

 

The Muslim League, Nezame Islami and  few other splinter groups  supported the integrity of Pakistan but didn't organize any armed Death Squad with a  central party decision [although some of their members joined the razaker forces].

 

In 1971 Jamaate Islami was the only political group that had an killer wing Al-bodor and was engagged in killing of innocent civillians and various other crimes against humanity and war crimes in 1971. 

 

Thus, by default, Jamaate Islami became the only political group that was engaged in criminal violence and accessory to the genocides of 1971.

Jamaate Islami is the Party of the Traitors (Gadders)... . and there

is no such thing as a Reformed Traitor .....Once a Gaddar, always

a Gaddar ......

 

2. The current govermnent  was duly elected through a democratic

process and has the legitimate right to set up it's priorities and

course of actions : That is the law of the land.....

 

The current government is a  government of the majority 

and the majority must be granted ..... that is way our system works .... [obviously, the War Criminals will oppose the trial in their attempts to evade Justice by fair means or faul ....... ]

 

3. Putting signature in favor of the constitution or abstaining from

putting the signature on the constitution is a (and was a)  part of the

due process and a constitutional right of the parliament/constitu tional  assembly member.  If Suronjit had denied putting his signature on the original 1972 constitution, how does that make him a criminal and under what law, Mr. Mokhter Ahmed?

 

You really sound silly when you say Suronjit "is great criminal and his  crime against the constitution is ever greater than anyone. He should be tried for that."...

 

Your innuendo  "Why Suronjet Sen was made the co-chair of the

constitution review committee?" is pure Nonsense & Grossly Fallacious and quite unbecoming for an academician

 

Please don't think that we Bangladeshis are fools and you can create

murky waters by throwing these kinds of falacious logic ......

 

BTW, do you personally approve the spirit of 1972 Bangladesh

Constitution?

 

And since when you have become such an over-zealous-fan

[a zealot] of Bongobondhu that  you made you think,

any difference of opinion with Sheikh Mujib is a criminal

offence that demands capital punishment? (message #24255)

 

Do you really believe that? Or that is another facet of Jamaati

opportunism?

 

4. I am little skeptic about the idea of banning any political party just

based on it's ideology per se. However, all political parties must respect  the constitution and operate within the bounds of the constitution.

The traitors and  collaborators should not get any leeway in the name of democracy. 

 

No one should be allowed to misuse religion and "religion-trading"

i.e use religion to mislead ordinary masses should not be permitted... ..

 

Any political party that has historical record of collaborating with the

Yahia-Tikka regime and was actively engaged in aiding and abetting the occupation regime as party and has organized armed Death Squads like Al-Bodor Bahini should not be allowed to function.

 

In Europe, Nazi Party is completely abolished and declared to

be illegal. This ban has remains in place in Germany and many

other European countries to the present day. 

 

The Jamaate Islami's Anti-Bangladesh role and the

killing missions by it's armed Gestapo wing Al-Bodor Death

Squads makes this particular party nazi-equivalent in the

context of Bangladesh and our history .....

 

The operation of Jamaate Islami should be banned not

because it has a religious lebash, but for Jamaat's  role in war

crimes, crimes against Bangladesh, crimes against humanity

including aiding and abetting genocides and greatest mass

rapes in human history.....

 

 

5. Why only "famous and seasoned politicians earlier" has to be

ministers ..." ?

 

As a matter of fact the ruling parties should always include

new faces in the cabinet which, in essence,  may help to develop

that party's  future leaderships. .... 

 

Of course, the a minister must be competent to do his/her job,

else the party in power will suffer in the long run...

 

In a parliamentary democracy the selection of cabinet members

is a complex balancing act ....[region, gender, expertise,

popularity within the party, loyality etc. ...]

 

Posing a question like "Does not it imply that they were picked up

by a third party for their interests?" is utterly motivated and

perhaps with insidious intents .....

 

 

 Syed Aslam

 

On 8/10/10, Mokhter Ahmad <mokhterahmad@ gmail.com> wrote:

 


Dear brothers and sisters!

We should think of the following issue before making any post in this popular blog:

1.      Is war crime a sole responsibility of a particular political party? Are not there any war criminals in Awami League? I know many are there and in other political parties. Why then the sole target is a particular political party?

2.      There is no consensus in Bangladesh about this trial. That particular party does have near about one crore vote bank, according to the estimate of EC. We voted 14 mohajot, which does not mean that we gave it a blank cheque to do anything. Before taking such a large-scale job, the govt. should seek referendum. A few papers and TV channels are not the sole standard to gauge people's feeling and perception in this case.

3.      Why Suronjet Sen was made the co-chair of the constitution review committee? He was the man who denied putting his signature on the original 1972 constitution despite being repeatedly asked by Bangobondhu and Bangobondhu's signature there. He is great criminal and his crime against the constitution is ever greater than anyone. He should be tried for that.

4.      Why should we allow the banning of any political party? Is politics a prerogative of any class? Is it banned in our model (?) countries like India and the West? In India many religion-based political parties are working like Shib Sena, BJP and hundred others. Even Christian Democratic Party (a religion-based party) is in power in Germany.

5.   Who are the ministers ruling Bangladesh now? Were they any famous and seasoned politicians earlier? Are they capable to defend the dignity of our motherland? Why this peculiar pick-up, the boneless people who even do not know the political decorum? Who were behind this choice? Sheikh Hasina, the Prime Minister? I think, none will believe it that she would dare to deny other seasoned politicians any space in her cabinet. Does not it imply that they were picked up by a third party for their interests?

 

I think many other issues we do have in our front now. We should concentrate on those rather than being exploited by the interests of the political parties.




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Re: [chottala.com] Fw: Bangladesh: Human Rights and Democracy in crisis



In Bangladesh

Human rights & Democracy are in crisis.

Causes:

The politicians & political leaders are selfish dishonest false speakers & corrupted.

They are doing every thing & speaking any word to misguide & misunderstanding the people & are doing poly-tricks in the name politics to get power for money.

 

They do not understand not try to understand for knowing & learning

a)      what the lawful democracy

b)      what the human right

c)      what the humanity and

d)      what the social justice

e)      what the lawful democracy &

f)        What the lawful administrations...

They only know & understand, try to learn

A)    for knowing how earn money to get power &

B)     to do any kind  works for  power to get money

 

In Bangladesh nation wide quality knowledge political learning schools are essentially needed for opening to provide the politicians & political leaders if they want to do politics they must need to learn for knowing & understanding

i)                    what the lawful democracy

ii)                   what the lawful politics

iii)                 what the human right & humanity

iv)                 what the social justice & lawful administration

v)                  What the duty of the politicians.

 

 

 

And

International tribunal courts are also needed for opening to do trials against the corrupted dishonest and inefficient politicians & political leaders.

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Subject: [chottala.com] Fw: Bangladesh: Human Rights and Democracy in crisis
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Bangladesh: Human Rights and Democracy in crisis

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As you read this email, there are enormous atrocities and human rights violations going on in Bangladesh.  The country’s identity as a democratic and moderate Islamic country is at stake today.  The country has been turned into a police state where ordinary citizens are denied their basic rights.  It is our duty to rise up and speak in full voice against these atrocities and heinous crimes.  To this end we have taken a project to inform and urge President Obama and congress to work with the State Department to device policies to bring an end to these crimes and hold current Awami League government accountable.  Our first project is to send at least 5000 email to our President Obama, senators, and congressman.  
  
We have setup a website where you, your friends, and family members can go and send emails to these public officials.  It is very simple and will only take two minutes of your time.  Please follow the steps below to send letters to your elected representatives:
 
 
  1. Enter your zip code located at the bottom of the page and click on ‘Submit Zip Code’ button.
  2. Below the letter section, enter your title, first and last name, mailing address and email address.  (we encourage you not to edit the content of the letter)
  3. Click on Preview Letters.
  4. In the next page, click on ‘Send Email’ button on the left side of the page.  Please ignore the button n the right as you will have to pay if you click on that button.
PLEASE USE CORRECT MAILING AND EMAIL ADDRESS.  ALSO DO NOT SEND EMAILS WITH GHOST (VAGUE) NAMES.
 
By taking the five steps above, you have taken an important step to speak against human rights violations in Bangladesh.  Please don’t just keep it to yourself, spread the word and encourage and help your friends and family members to do the same. 
 
We understand that many people in your areas might not have access to a computer or internet.  We will setup booths in your localities where you can go and our volunteers will help you send emails.
Also, for you convenience we have setup national hotlines where you can call in, our volunteers will on standby to help you.  If you need assistance, please call the following numbers:
 
(646) 504-4687
 
(703) 791-1613
 
(646) 504-3181
 
Let us stand up along the oppressed people of Bangladesh and bring an end to the atrocities taking place there.
Sincerely,
 
Committee for "Stop Human Rights Violations in Bangladesh"

 

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[chottala.com] Eid Mela - Saturday, 9/11/10 @ 6:00PM (Sharp)



It's a sheer coincidence that the Happy Eid has fallen on the weekend of 9/11 this year. We will never forget the victims of 9/11 and we will start our event paying special tribute honoring the lives that were taken on 9/11/2001. May God bless all of the victims of 9/11.

 

 

BABA cordially invites you and your family members to attend the 

 

EID MELA - 2010

 

Date: Saturday, 11th September

Time: 6:00PM-11:30PM

 

Venue:

John Adams Elementary School, 5651 Rayburn Avenue, VA 22311

What's in it?

Free Face Paintings for the kids

Free Custom Balloons for the kids

Eid Variety Shows:

Magic Show

Mini Piano Show

Comedies

Tajul Imam (parodies/performance)

Dance & Choreography By: "killabeez" Rocky Xavier

Live Band Concert

(10 Bands will rock 1 stage)

 

+ Food and Shopping Stalls

 

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