You are most welcome. I am an optimistic person.
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On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:04 AM
Thanks for your comments Dear Helal. I appreciate your views. Ms. Sarmila Bose has already been invited by journalist Haroon Habib. Let us see if she ever visits Bangladesh. Bangladesh will never be a Failed State or a Collapsed State. We have our problems and who does not? We manage to solve it and survive and go forward. I am not sure if you had the chance of reading my feature in the Daily Sun's Independence Day Supplement. The problem with us we always believe whatever the West says as sacrosanct and do not have much faith, belief and trust on our own self. Immediately after the occupation of Iraq a group of mid level diplomats from a powerful West country came to my previous workplace to give a seminar on the rebuilding of Iraq. That was one of their PR job they thought they should do in this part of the world. Unfortunately I was invited to Chair the session.Once they spoke for about an hour I just talked for ten minutes and reminded them about the CIA engineered coup in Iran 1953 where the elected government of Dr. Mossadegh was toppled to serve the oil interest of Anglo-Iranian Oil Company and the Shah of Iran. These diplomats had no clue of the incident. Over coffee I politely requested them to read a book by one of their own, Stephen Kinzer (then a NY Times Correspondent), `All the Shah's Men.' In return they invited me to lunch later, which for some reasons I could to avail. Yes, we will look forward, but not forgetting the past. The past is like a rear view mirror. You need it to go forward.
Warm wishes.
May God Bless You.
Mannan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mannan Sir:
Asslamualaikum. I read your article on Prothom Alo regarding Sharmila Bashu. I understand your sentiment regarding her as she is claiming something you think is wrong. I also grossly disagree with her with some of her assumptions regarding what happened in 1971. I will buy her book and read it to see if the entire book is misleading or not.
The only thing I respectfully disagree with you is that Bangladesh shouldn't banned her coming to visit Bangladesh. Instead, people like you should invite her and make her understand what really happened to Bangladesh 1971 with your well documented study against her book. That's the civic way to deal with a misinformed writer like her.
Sir, I also read your mail regarding my response. It is understood that you are bit biased towards AL as most of us are bit biased to certain political party and that is quite acceptable. And it is also understood that some of us can not associated with a party which has much ideological differences for his/her point of view.
Sir, what I do not understand is that when people like your intellect can not realize international politics towards Bangladesh as some quarter of the world are trying to portray Bangladesh as a soon to be failure state. I hope you realize, if Bangladesh ever becomes a failed state, it won't be East Pakistan again. I also hope you further realize the alternative scenario as well.
Not to mention, if we fail, we won't be able to find any pro or anti Bangladeshi forces to blame, as there will be no such thing call Bangladesh to begin with.
Sir, before it is tool late, pls bring to an end being divisive and lead us towards unity and prosperity. As a student, I urge you to teach us love and respect instead of revenge and hatred. We desperately, need guidance from you and people like you to make Bangladesh a successful country.
Thank you.
Helal
--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 11:45 PM
Thanks to all of you who discussed my column published in the Daily Prothom Alo in their own way. I always respect the opinion of others, but also think it should be as objective and based on facts as far as possible. I agree that it is the responsibility of the new generation to write history. We created it you write it. But history is different from fiction. That has to be clearly understood. We say 'write something that is readable, do something that is write-able.' I plan to write an English Version of my column sometimes next month.
Regards and warm wishes to all.
Have a nice day.
Mannan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:57 AM, abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
Overall it is a good article with good writing skill but he used very flawed methodology in understanding Sharmila Bose's works. Previously, in my short review about Bose, I wrote
"Indeed, Ms. Bose's book came out with numerous holes. This is especially when she praises the killers and the drunken Yahya and Niazi. But it was a good thing that she was allowed to speak about her findings even with biases; atleast now we know what are her biases. In this if we blindly followed Dr. Nurun Nabi we would all have become some fanatic"secular mullahs."Having said the above, I want to add 'The surge of nationalism usually presents a morally ambivalent, and for this reason often fascinating, picture. "National awakening" and struggles for political independence are often both heroic and inhumanly cruel; the formation of a recognizably national state often responds to deep popular sentiment, but can and does sometimes bring in its wake inhuman consequences, including violent expulsion and "cleansing" of non-nationals, all the way to organized mass murder. The moral debate on nationalism reflects a deep moral tension between solidarity with oppressed national groups on the one hand and the repulsion people feel in the face of crimes perpetrated in the name of nationalism on the other." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalismProfessor Mannan himself as a Bangladeshi and like many of us that suffered during the war but bringing that personal dimention of popular sentiment in research which makes him strong in memory but weak in methodology. In his writing he shows his anger toward Bose by taking up his position in glorifying the AL nationalist conclusions. Bose finds the AL's exaggerated conclusions inconsistent with methodological errors. This makes Mannan angry. With the Bengali nationalist sentiment not the sentiment of a researcher to Mannan Bose is bound to be wrong. In his such consideration he commits the falacy of begging the question. He denies Bose's"facts" and accepts everything of the AL made history to be true by the accounts of such people as AL's Nurun Nabis nationalist stand.This wouldn't draw anybody's attention if Professor Mannan was not the ex vice cencellor, which position carried a very high esteem among Bangladeshi people. But his devotion and blind onesided support to the AL makes him even one commentator assuming that he was not as much qualified for the job but was in that high position due to the AL nepotism. I am certain that this is not true but the professor's extreme bias toward the AL had this unfortunate fallout.In the Prothom Alo article comments section as expected Professor Mannan was appreciated by the Bengali nationalists, but drew harsh criticism from one who commentator who understood what is truly good writing that uses sound methology which is missing in the professor's writing:. The comment in Bengali is as follows:শর্মিলা বসুর আলোচনাগুলোর সমালোচনা আরো ভালোভাবে করা উচিৎ। কিছু ব্যপারে মান্নান স্যারের মন্তব্য বেশ আপত্তিকর মনে হলো। ১৯৭১ সালে কারো চাক্ষুস অভিজ্ঞতা না থাকলে কি ইতিহাস বিষয়ে গবেষণা করা যাবে না? তাহলে তো আর তরুন প্রজন্মের কারো ১৯৭১ এর ইতিহাস নিয়ে কাজ করা বৃথা ! তাছাড়া শর্মিলা বসুর সম্ভ্রমহানি নিয়ে কোন ব্লগারের অভদ্র কমেন্টটা ওনার মত মানুষের রেফারেন্স হিসেবে টানাটা ঠিক হলো না। সবশেষে, একজন গবেষককে (যে মানের-ই হোক) বাংলাদেশে অবাঞ্চিত করার ঘোষণা দেবার উস্কানি দেয়াটাও ঠিক মনে হয়নি। একাডেমিক বিতর্ক ইতিহাসের নানা বিষয়ে থাকে, সেটা পালটা গবেষণা করার মাধ্যমেই জবাব দেয়া উচিৎ, কাউকে নিষিদ্ধ করার মাধ্যমে নয়। আশা করি এ নিয়ে বিতর্ক নতুন গবেষণায় বাংলাদেশীদের উদ্বুদ্ধ করবে। http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2011-03-27/news/141872 No offence to the respected teacher, Professor Abdul Mannan who wrote about Sharmila Bose stepping out to extremism which is beyond the scope of research methology..Referenceshttp://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalismMassacres in Chandraghona, RangamatiBehind the myth of 3 millionOn Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:45 AM, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Respected Teahers are needed to be honest in speaking teaching and writing.Respected Teachers are needed to be sincere in learnig and knowing the truth for making knowlege learning resouces for teaching the people to build nation.
Dishonest teachers are worse than Rajakars.> Received: Friday, 25 March, 2011, 8:57 AM
--- On Fri, 25/3/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com> wrote:
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> AL as I cannot be with any politics of BNP for obvious
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> should not speak some truths so bluntly they do not like.
> Now for the trial of Col. Taher. His deeds on 7th. November
> was not under trial but his trial was. The trial of Col.
> Taher was a miscarriage of justice and absolutely non
> transparent. I expect to write on this. Even the trial of
> killing of Zia was to some extent more transparent though
> many wrong people were tried (it included quite a few of my
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> didn't see many Bangladeshis with good political
> consciousness. We are overly biased with our political
> ideology. No matter how educated we are, we simply can't
> go beyond our loyalty towards the preferred
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> Manna sir and all the respected teacher's in these forums,
> in our student life, we observed how teachers (mostly who
> thought in the public universities in Bangladesh) are busy
> aligning themselves among Shada, Neel, Holud and Golapi
> panels. We also observed how the best student can't become
> a teacher if he/she doesn't get the blessing from those
> color coded panels. Contrary, how ordinary student become a
> teacher with the help of same color coded panels.
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> politics and used us (students) to become the leader of the
> above mentioned colored coded panels and the ultimate price
> is becoming VC. Now days, some of them do politics in the
> public university and teaches in the private ones.
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> genuinely teaching job. That's why we still have
> institution like BUET and IBA to name a few.
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> Toronto,
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> writing personally. And I hope my writing is not towards
> them as they don't fall into the teacher's category I
> mentione above. As I said, there are many honorable
> teachers' in Bangladesh, who is keeping
> the teaching profession with minimal financial compensation.
> And some of them still help their student to become
> extraordinary human being. We still visited them and touched
> their feet out of outmost respect because they deserve it.
> Whenever I go home, I make sure to visit few of my teachers
> who taught me throughout my life to be a better human being.
> Not necessarily, to be the best student. One of them
> is Samar Kanti Chowdhury sir, who thought be from Grade 1
> to 6. I wish all the teacher's in Bangladesh is just like
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> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR]
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> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com,
> abid.bahar@gmail.com,
> Ovimot@yahoogroups.com,
> faruquealamgir@gmail.com,
> farhadmazhar@hotmail.com,
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> Professor Mannan is a very enlightened person but at
> the same time I read him in his work that he is an overly
> enthuasistic pro AL person as well. He is an honorable
> person. I don't think I am qualified to say anything to
> increase his enlightenment about Bangladesh politics but I
> want to say one thing to help him understand about his
> enthuasism that with the AL appointed judges some of whom
> were vendals and one was a murder accused, the judgement
> about Taher who was the killer of many innocent army offices
> for implimenting his vision of a the then Chinese style
> sepoy army, Hasina's is clearly politically motivated.
> In this judgement there is nothing to celebrate unless you
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> moral. Example: If the fascist leader Sadam made laws, or
> Gaddafi or Mujib with their one party rule, made laws, in
> Mujib's case when the elected Mujib denying the
> people's mandate made laws to supress the opposition
> installed one party rule, killing the opposition with his
> High Court laws, or killing Siraj Sikdar without laws and
> boosting about it, it was simply a betrayal with the
> people who voted him to power. In the end such leaders as
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> forces, Mujib with his two children were killed by
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> his countryman with the same fascist rule of law and who
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> editor of a newspaper in jail by Hasina's court was
> legal but abusing power through courts was neither
> democratic nor moral. True, politicians and their
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> of rule of law- is a village headman style politics brought
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> regarding this matter. I also posted a thread few days back.
> I would be honored to hear your feedback in regards of my
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> "Assalamua'laikum.
> Ok, for the sake of argument, I accept your notion that
> Ziaur Rahman was a cold blooded murderer for killing Col
> Taher. Then, do you also accept that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
> was also a cold blooded murderer for killing Siraj Sikdar! I
> hope you must read or remember when Bongbondhu proclaimed,
> where is Siraj Sikdar after he was assassinated."
> I'm
> really looking fwd to have a knowledgeable discussion with
> you regarding the hypocrisy in our today's society when it
> comes to discussing Mujib/Zia, India/Pakistan, Tarek/Joy,
> and so on.
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Abdul Mannan
Professor
School of Business
University of Liberal Arts Bangladesh
House # 56, Road # 4/A
Dhanmondi R/A, Dhaka-1209
Bangladesh.
BDT=GMT +6
Working Days Sunday-Thursday
E-mail: abman1971@gmail.com
http://www.ulab.edu.bd
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Abdul Mannan
Professor
School of Business
University of Liberal Arts Bangladesh
House # 56, Road # 4/A
Dhanmondi R/A, Dhaka-1209
Bangladesh.
BDT=GMT +6
Working Days Sunday-Thursday
E-mail: abman1971@gmail.com
http://www.ulab.edu.bd
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Abdul Mannan
Professor
School of Business
University of Liberal Arts Bangladesh
House # 56, Road # 4/A
Dhanmondi R/A, Dhaka-1209
Bangladesh.
BDT=GMT +6
Working Days Sunday-Thursday
E-mail: abman1971@gmail.com
http://www.ulab.edu.bd
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