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Friday, July 10, 2009

RE: [chottala.com] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Bangladesh can be benefited by Tipaimukh Dam-Water Minister!



Dear chottala readers,

What idea Dr. Manik is possessing about our fast growing population we require more fertile lands and Farrakka Barrage is helping us in that regards, I think he is possessing some misconception. Rivers in a country are God gifted as to supply water to a vast fertile lands of our country. Without rivers the maximum lands will be dried up and ultimately will be deserts as it is now in the north Bengal side because of blocking normal flow of water in Farakka barrage. If Tipaimukh Barrage is also there vast lands of north Bengal in the eastern side especially Sylhet will be dried up to make all together about three forth of our Bangladesh lands as deserts. In Arab countries where without water how the people used to suffer for years together. Recently because of oils those people are now passing their livelihood happily even purchasing by their petro dollar more water which by the Grace of Almighty Allah we don't require at all because of plenty of God gifted water in our country Bangladesh. Blocking of normal flow of water from above as  India is doing now will not be helpful and will not make our lands fertile as Dr. Manik is dreaming now.

Dowllah, (Dr. Siraj Uddowllah).    
 

 


 

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Subject: [chottala.com] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Bangladesh can be benefited by Tipaimukh Dam-Water Minister!

Our population is growing so fast!!( 15 Crores ) but our land is so tiny to accomodate! We have enough river , we need more fertile lands. Farakka barrage has helped us to solve these problems. Future barrage or dam like Tipaimukh will also help us to have extra land to accomodate our fast growing population and more fertile land for agriculture projects.
 
Dr. Manik
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Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Bangladesh can be benefited by Tipaimukh Dam-Water Minister!

Please click here to detail.
 
 
Ramesh Chandra was saying that BD could be benifited from this Dam.
 
০৬ জুলাই, সোমবার (আরটিএনএন)-ভারতের সঙ্গে সম্পর্ক ভাল থাকলে বাংলাদেশ টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ থেকে লাভবানও হতে পারে বলে জানিয়েছেন পানি সম্পদ মন্ত্রী রমেশ চন্দ্র সেন। মন্ত্রী বলেন, যেকোনো বাঁধ শুধু ক্ষতি করবে, এমন কোন কথা নেই। বাংলাদেশ এ বাঁধ থেকে লাভবানও হতে পারে। শুধু বিরোধিতার জন্য বিরোধিতা নয়, গঠনমূলক সমালোচনা করার জন্য তিনি বিরোধী দলের প্রতি আহবান জানান।

সফররত নেদারল্যান্ডের পানি ব্যবস্থাপনা বিষয়ক সহকারী মন্ত্রী জে সি হুইজিঙ্গা হেরিঙ্গার সঙ্গে সোমবার সচিবালয়ে বৈঠক করার পর সাংবাদিকদের তিনি এ কথা বলেন। ভারতের টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ নিয়ে সংসদে আলোচনা হবে বলে জানিয়ে পানি সম্পদ মন্ত্রী সাংবাদিকদের বলেন, 'সংসদীয় দল বিশেষজ্ঞ নিয়ে পরিদর্শনে যাবে, তারàl¾ আসার পর ৩০০ বিধিতে সংসদে অবশ্যই সমগ্র জাতিকে জানাবো।'



বিরোধী দল চাইলে টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ পরিদর্শনে সরকারি প্রতিনিধি দলে তাদের অন্তর্ভুক্ত করা হবে বলে জানান তিনি।


বিরোধীদলের সমালোচনা করে মন্ত্রী বলেন, তাদের সময় এ প্রকল্প শুরু হলেও তখন তারা এ কাজে ভারতকে বাঁধা দেয়নি, প্রতিবাদও করেনি। এখন তারা টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ নিয়ে অহেতুক রাজনৈতিক ইস্যু তৈরির চেষ্টা করছে



সেনানিবাসের বাড়ির দখলের বিষয় আড়াল করতেই বিএনপি টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ ইস্যুটিকে সামনে নিয়ে এসেছে উল্লেখ করে তিনি বলেন, 'তারাতো (বিরোধীদল) ইস্যু তৈরি করবেই। তাদের কাজ কি? একটা ইস্যু তৈরি করে সরকারকে বিব্রত করে ফেলা। বিব্রত করা উচিত না। দেশটার প্রতি আনুগত্য থাকা দরকার সবার।'


টিপাইমুখ বাঁধের সব তথ্য-উপাত্ত পানিসম্পদ মন্ত্রণালয়ে এসে পৌঁছায়নি। শুধু জলবিদ্যুৎ প্রকল্পের তথ্য পররাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়কে দিয়েছে ভারত।

সফররত নেদারল্যান্ডের পানি ব্যবস্থাপনা বিষয়ক সহকারী মন্ত্রী রমেশ চন্দ্র সেনের সঙ্গে সাক্ষাতের সময় এদেশে পানি ব্যবস্থাপনা ও নদী-ভাঙ্গন রোধে সেদেশের অভিজ্ঞতা কাজে লাগানোর বিষয়ে আগ্রহ প্রকাশ করেন

 


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Re: [chottala.com] Gulam Azom and 1971 - Golam Azam is the Gaddar-e-Azam of Bangladesh ...



To do trial against the war criminals it is needed to clarify what does mean the war criminal. War criminal is a criminal activity can be done any side by the worriers. It needs to remember that in 1947 East Pakistan was created by dividing Bengal as division of India under the theory of 2 nations.  At that time many non Bengali people from India according to the theory of 2 Nations came to then East Pakistan & they were settled in Bangladesh as legal citizens of East Pakistan.
During liberation movement & liberation war many innocent non Bengal man woman children old people who did not directly participate in war for Pakistan  were killed & their property were looted as they were non Bengali people, It was inhumanity  very painful &  also  the act of War Criminal.

So the law should be impartial & lawful Trial system must be fair & neutral to do  lawful trial  after proper judicial investigation against of any either side  war criminals to establishing lawful social justice for humanity & lawful Administration for human right in Bangladesh.,   

 

--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: [chottala.com] Gulam Azom and 1971 - Golam Azam is the Gaddar-e-Azam of Bangladesh ...
To: sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Khobor" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "notun Bangladesh" <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, chottala@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 7:53 PM

Gulam Azom and 1971 - Golam Azam is the Gaddar-e-Azam of Bangladesh ...
 
In the context of 1971-Bangladesh, undoubtly, Tikka Khan's  Brother-in-arms
Golam Azam is the Greatest Evil .......not only that, Golam Azam has proved
himself to be the Greatest Traitor of 20th century Bangladesh ......most likely,
Golam Azam is the Greatest Traitor Killer of All Times  in Bangladesh .... 
Golam Azam is the Gaddar-e-Azam of Bangladesh ...
 
Traitor Mir Zafor  Ali Khan [a foreign-born bounty hunter] was not involved in
Mass Murder or Genocide, where as, Bangladeh-born Profezzor Golam Azam
was involved in aiding and abetting the Genocide:
Under Golam Azam's leadership and inspiration, Jamaate Islami, Islami Chattro
Sangha (predecessor of Sibir) and Al-Bodor cadres committed, torture, rape & 
murder, including  mass murders ... Golam Azam and his cohorts were accessories
to the 1971 Genocide in Bangladesh.
 
All of Jamaat's 1971 criminal acts and moral terpitudes were done
in the name of our religion Islam and thereby Jamaat's crimes were
against Islam too. Those crimes involving murder & moral turpitude
have an inherent quality of baseness, vileness, and depravity with
respect to human dignity. The Pakistani occupation regime and it's
Jamaat-AlBodor collaborator's actions were totally un-Islamic.
 
Al-Bodor, Jamaate Islami  vis-a-vis Golam Azam and Nizami Gong's
crimes against humanity, crime against Bangladesh & crime 
against Islam includes, but not limited to:
 
(1) Sedition against the People's Republic of Bangladesh  [High Treason]
(2) Formation of and organizing Armed Gestapo militia Al-Bodor [High Treason]
(3) Complicity in the Genocide in Bangladesh [Crime against Humanity]
(4) Aiding and abetting the Genocide in Bangladesh [Crime against Humanity]
(5) Using Islam to justify Genocide, rape and other attrocities [Crime againt Islam]
(6) Religious persecution of non-muslims. [Crime against Humanity]
(7) Looting & extortion from the families of Mukti-joddhas by the Al-bodor
      caders [Go Azam was personally involved in taking money from the
      families whose members were suspected of joining Mukti-Bahini
      because they were not seen at  home  ...]
 This is only a partial list ...
 
BTW, the Islami Chattro Sangha's name was changed to Islami Chatto
Sibir, because it's hands were tainted with the blood of ordinary
Bangladeshis and freedom fighters ....

 
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Avijit Dev <avijit_dev@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
Can Syed analyse Chalabi's role in iraq and Mojir's role in Bangladesh? Bush didn't kill anyone nor did indira but both of them had ordered to kill people and there were others who opposed it. I mean can't you see syed that if bush or indira didn't order to kill, body would have been killed. So who is greater evil here? Bush or Indira? or Golam Azam? Come on, Syed. you can fool many but not all.
--- In sonarbangladesh@ yahoogroups. com, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ ...> wrote:
*Golam Azam is the Adolf Eichman of Bangladesh*.... Eichman never
killed anyone with his own hand,,,, I am sure the greatest traitor of 20th
century Bangladesh Maulana Golam Azam didn't ever shot a bullet or
have punched a knife in anyone's chest ...... his crimes are even greater ..
Jamaate Islami unders the leadership of *Maulana Golam Azam took*
*official decesion to organize the armed Gestapo Al-Bodor militia.*
Maulana Golam Azam and his cohorts *voluntarily cooperated *with the
foreign occupier-killer and enthusiastically promoted the regime [illegal
but de facto authority] and was a part of anti-people traitor & genocide in 1971
As a matter of fact, Golam Azam misled the young *Islami Chattro Sangha *
*caders* to commit, rape, torture, attrocities & killing in the name of
Islam [Golam Azam's crime against Islam] ...
Tikka Khan's government was illegal and had no legitamicy.
All acts of Jamaate Islami with Golam Azam and Moti Nizami at the helm
in 1971 were acts of accessory to murder, sedition, treason, and treachery:
Jamaat's 1971 maneauvors were not isolated or sporadic events, but were
part and percel of Al-Bodor's policy of wide-spread atrocities & killing
of innocent supporters of People's Republic of Bangladesh.. ......
Murder, extermination, torture, rape, religious persecution and other
inhuman acts were widespread, systematic practices Jamaate Islami
and its' Al-Bodor wing ...
 
Whatever your are saying to justify Golam Azam, crimes against
humanity & our nation is total distortion of fact, essentially
a willul misinterpretation and falsification of history with an ulterior
motive to save the criminals including Top Traitor Golam Azam.
Jamaate Islami vis-a-vis Golam Azam's 1971 crimes were against
whole nation of Bangladesh and has no parallel in our history .....
so sister Sultana, please don't mix up issues ....
Golam *Azam* 1971 <http://www.scribd. com/doc/13168752 /Golam-Azam- 1971>
In a radio broadcast on April 9, *Gholam Azam* issued a clarion call to the
people. *...* That same day, *Gholam Azam* spoke at a meeting organized
by the central *...*
> www.scribd.com/ doc/13168752/ Golam-*Azam- 1971* -
> Cached<http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:RATLfnCc ZyAJ:www. scribd.com/ doc/13168752/ Golam-Azam- 1971+Gholam+ Azam&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us>-
> Similar<http://www.google. com/search? hl=en&safe=active&q=related:www. scribd.com/ doc/13168752/ Golam-Azam- 1971>-

Sent by:
 *Syed Aslam*
*On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Sultana Sultana <sultanasust@ ...>wrote:
 I can't agree without proof that Gulam Azom is responsible for the
 killing and raping in 1971. *May be other jaamat people did crime. *
 Some body may ask he was leader and commander in that time, so he is
 responsible for all jammat activities. If any body agree with this argument,
I will ask him why not S. Hasina responsible for ordering logi boytha
 killing mission. which was obserbed in all over the world.
 As a post liberation genaration i feel shame that how can an ex-prime
minister order to kill people in the day-light, how she order to kill 10
against 1 ????????

Millions of people are witness of that order and activities, but so called
country lovers never rais any voice against that. But we are busy with
unevidence activities.

 Really , hi selucas how shameless nation we are!!!!!
 Sultana


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[chottala.com] Israel and apartheid



Israel and apartheid

09/07/2009 11:00:00 PM GMT   Comments ( 64)                   
Israel was founded on a Zionist project aimed at the Palestinians' elimination.

By Neil Berry 
 
Preoccupied with the paradox of the co-existence of civilized taste and bestial behavior, the literary critic George Steiner has written much about the conduct of Nazi officers who murdered Jews by day while listening to classical music by night.

Many years ago, when Steiner first highlighted this paradox, Jews were widely seen as archetypal victims; at the same time, they were regarded as pre-eminently civilized, "People of the Book."

It is one of the great ironies of modern history that, in the aftermath of the Nazi effort to eliminate European Jewry, a racially exclusive Jewish state emerged that has shown itself to be capable of monstrous inhumanity.

Yet, despite the mounting evidence of Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinian people, few Jews are prepared to acknowledge that their collective credentials as civilized human beings are other than exemplary.

Indeed, many think of Jews as possessing, especially by comparison with Arabs, an inordinately well-developed sense of the value of human life — as was illustrated not long ago when the British Jewish actress, Maureen Lipmann, remarked that for Palestinians life is cheap.

It is because of this self-image that the suggestion that Israel is an apartheid state arouses such howls of indignation in Israel and among the Jewish diaspora. The other day, at the London launch of Ben White's book, "Israeli Apartheid", which details Israel's apartheid-style subjugation of the Palestinians, an Israeli couple repeatedly sought to shout the author down, denouncing him as a liar.

White is by no means the first writer to draw a parallel between Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and apartheid South Africa, but nobody has made the case more concisely. Sub-titled "A Beginner's Guide", his book is a brisk and lucid summary of key facts, which could be of great value in the worldwide campaign to achieve justice for the Palestinians.

White points out that, for all the differences between Israel and apartheid South Africa, the similarities are unmistakable. In the South Africa of old the legal system "consolidated and enforced dispossession" by securing the "best land control over natural resources for one group at the expense of another," and exactly the same applies to the Israeli legal system.

What is also true is that the discriminatory laws, commissions of inquiry, spot fines, pass books, police raids, location permits, removal vans, bulldozers etc., that defined South African apartheid now find striking parallels in the humiliations routinely visited on Palestinians.

Consider above all the stark resemblance between the sealed-off, ostensibly autonomous, reservations that were known in South Africa as "Bantustans" and the vicious system of segregation to which Palestinians are subject in the occupied territories. In 1984, Desmond Tutu noted that Bantustans were "arbitrarily carved up" pieces of land with "no territorial integrity or any hope of economic viability" intended to give a "semblance of morality to something that had been described as evil." Tutu's account of "fragmented and discontinuous" settlements in "unproductive and marginal" parts of the country with no control over "natural resources or access to territorial waters" could equally be a description of conditions in the West Bank.

None of this is to imply that Israeli apartheid and that formerly practiced in South Africa are indistinguishable.

Unlike Israeli apartheid, the South African version meant the rule of the white minority over an overwhelming black majority. Nor can Israel be accused of practicing South African "petty apartheid": There are no public lavatories in Israel marked "Jews" and "non-Jews." Within Israel, moreover, Palestinians enjoy full voting rights and their own political representatives. And yet, as Ben White remarks, in a sense Israeli apartheid is more extreme. For whereas South Africa exploited blacks as cheap labor, Israel was founded on a Zionist project aimed not at making use of Palestinians but at their elimination, their complete disappearance as the prelude to the creation of an all-Jewish state.

The fact is that Zionist thinking has never yet come to terms with the living reality of the Palestinians. This state of denial is by no means uncommon even among Israel's more erudite apologists. In her new book, "The Jewish Odyssey of George Eliot", the eminent U.S. Jewish historian, Gertrude Himmelfarb, discusses the contribution to the Zionist cause made by the leading British 19th century novelist, George Eliot, while barely acknowledging the existence of the Palestinians, let alone the injustice they have suffered.

Though herself a nonbeliever, George Eliot nursed a passionate attachment to the idea of the Jews putting behind them centuries of persecution and making a triumphant journey to the Holy Land.

In her novel "Daniel Deronda" (1876), the eponymous protagonist, who discovers that he is Jewish, is impelled by forces almost beyond his understanding to migrate from Britain to Palestine — not to escape anti-semitism but to fulfill a proud and unique ethno-religious destiny.

Himmelfarb lauds George Eliot because she saw Judaism as intrinsic to the evolution of modern civilization. "Daniel Deronda", she writes, enshrined a conception of the Jews and their religion that anticipated the thinking of the Soviet dissident turned Israeli citizen, Natan Sharansky, who evokes Judaism as an identity, a national consciousness, that "gives life meaning beyond life itself."

"The Jewish Odyssey of George Eliot" speaks to the sensibility of Jews like Sharansky whose Zionist zeal has inspired them to exalt their own needs and aspirations, their own being, above everybody else's. In the minds of such Jews, Palestine remains the geographical entity projected by Zionist propaganda: a "land without people for a people without land."

Gertrude Himmelfarb attempts to reaffirm Zionism as a noble cause. Ben White by contrast exposes the chasm between the noble idea of Zionism and its increasingly ignoble reality. It is hard after reading their books not to conclude that apartheid was the inescapable outcome of the Zionist enterprise. It is hard not to conclude, too, that the Palestinians are victims of a fantasy, a literary vision of Jewish redemption that was translated into fact with ruthless indifference to the welfare of others.

Source: Arab News

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Tawiran from Sweden 09/07/2009 08:12:06 PM 
IP
Whereas South Africa exploited blacks as cheap labour, Israel was founded on a Zionist project aimed not at making use of Palestinians but at their elimination.
And the Palestinians are so angry because they want to be used as cheap labour?
David from Canada 09/07/2009 08:13:05 PM 
IP
It's a matter of time.
South Africa was much older than israel. It's just a matter of time when world opinion will turn the same way. Sixty years and still these people have no real security despite all that has and is being given to them. A place where Yiddish were to feel safe???? This is a joke of historic proportions. I suppose if it was meant to be, it would have been. israel only survives by means of welfare from the west. Now we have had planes slamming into buildings pointing to our support for this sorry state. When popular opinion turns on this latest apartheid state, they can attempt to drown out all criticism, as south Africa did, to no avail. You can not have a state called israel without the eventual and lasting backlash called terrorism, pure and simple. Zionism: one of the worst ideas since apartheid.
David from Canada 09/07/2009 08:25:31 PM 
IP
"israel was founded on the the zionist project not to make use of the Palestinians, but at their ELIMINATION.
Smacks of bloody nazism to me. Do the Yiddish live in the same century as the west, or are they just another backwards looking people after all, going from one place, being thrown out, only to attempt their luck in another. I know of no other people with a history as this. Certainly after two thousand years of wandering and being rejected, you would think some self examination was forthcoming. "A people who have been expelled from every host nation for two thousand years MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG". So why blame the Palestinians for the treatment of others? Why call for their elimination? israel: A place where the Yiddish can feel safe. What a world class joke.
silverbullet from Brazil 09/07/2009 08:28:26 PM 
IP
racism is no acceptable
so, israel is seeking to learn it at the worst manner. I know there is so many hebraic people that do not support zionism. Now they are stoned. Soon, it will fall apart.
Tawiran from Sweden 09/07/2009 08:30:44 PM 
IP
israel only survives by means of welfare from the west.
So do the Palestinians. And the must am extreme east attacked America for supporting Israel. The all kittens lost the sympathy of the Iraqis because of the violins due to their violins. The Pakistanis were turned off by the Taliban violins and the restrictions they imposed on their women. It's a matter of time before the whole world is turned off by all these violins.
Tawiran from Sweden 09/07/2009 08:34:07 PM 
IP
A place where the Yiddish can feel safe. What a world class joke
because you and your people make it a joke.
silverbullet from Brazil 09/07/2009 08:35:02 PM 
IP
violins
west loose a lot of time asking when and how violins occurs. They never think in why.
The Phoenix from USA 09/07/2009 08:56:24 PM 
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David, would you bear the Cross?
I have no doubt as much as you hate the Israelis you would hate those of the CROSS too. Most people, of the CROSS, just believe there was a man who lived and died for being a healer, worker of miracles, the one who turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple in Jerusalem, the one who gave his life in a horrific manner as a sacrifice in order to save. Simple really, and for most it does not go much further than that. Clearly those who think like you would see us an "in a me" too. Get Born Again before the sand man comes.
David from Canada 09/07/2009 09:04:33 PM 
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"You mean you and your people make it a joke"
My people? You mean the ones that sign the welfare check, correct? Certainly if your people committed these acts in Europe we would have no question as to why you were treated in kind, isn't that so towel ran? israel lives as far as west money takes it. Never get that confused again. Since Canada and the United States are the only two west nations who have not yet given the Yiddish the boot, your people seem to be getting us involved in your "zionism project", and what do we get in return for this sheepish support? That's right, planes slamming into our buildings. israel is a world class joke. Sixty years of mass infusions of cash and weapons and still, no change except more and more people who want now to do us harm as well. It's just a matter of time towel ran, as with "your people" in the past. "Your people" go as far as we pay you. Never think if push came to shove we can't pull the plug and let nature take it's course.
Tawiran from Sweden 09/07/2009 09:09:45 PM 
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west loose a lot of time asking when and how violins occurs.
in order to prevent it. They already know why; they just do not understand why anyone could ask for the impossible and turn into violins when they cannot get it.
Tawiran from Sweden 09/07/2009 09:18:54 PM 
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My people seem to be getting you involved in our zionism project?
What project is that? If you think for a minute that the intelligent American leaders are ever fulled into doing something against their will, you are WRONG. Even their dole out of well over six billion dollars to the Palestinians has certain strings attached to it that can always be pulled out.
David from Canada 09/07/2009 09:22:57 PM 
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The Man of The Cross has nothing to do with israel. Why do you put more on his shoulders? zionism is not of GoOD, it is the philosophy of thieves.
Born Again? If it was GoOD who gave you life to begin with, who are you to do His work for Him? I see nothing "born again" about this behaviour fee nix. You must mean like those sheepish born again people running your country, who teach all others about the wonderful ways of being born again, then are caught diddling page boys and running with male "friends". Am I missing something here fee nix, do I need to tell lies? Those who do work, those that can't preach. You are the latest crop of fanatics who read words of peace, of understanding and twist them into slavery and bleed spilling in His name. I refuse to be stained along with you, in that I am secure. You are not born again if this is what you support, an armed camp claiming to be of GoOD but requiring very earthly sums of cash and weapons just to exist, all the while stealing others land and murdering them as if life is only yours to give and take. I REJECT your second birth, as clearly it wasn't true the first time.
silverbullet from Brazil 09/07/2009 09:25:35 PM 
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israel
was a violent invasion, so the cycle goes on. Hebraic people in doors talks do not believe more in that. Now, the marketing has gone, it is a place designed only for the more rad all ones. So, let it be.
David from Canada 09/07/2009 09:36:37 PM 
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Closing thoughts on those who claim to be Born Again.
This article correctly states that concentration camp guards were capable of committing horrendous acts. Those same man also went home to their babies and wives, prayed with them and believed in GoOD. Yet they had it in them to do all they did. In the United States, man kept man as slaves. The keepers went home to their babies and wives, prayed with them, but had it in them nonetheless to commit some of the most shameful acts in U.S. history without batting an eye. South Africa the same. Yes, they too were Cross Believers, some Born Again types which is probably why some israelis are nervous about this relationship. If you are Yiddish and you run with Cross Believers, what is THEIR ultimate end for you?
Uncle Sam from USA 09/07/2009 09:41:29 PM 
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Cross Killers
The followers of the cross who committed the acts you point out committed sins against the cross. One of the cross pillars is "thou shall not skill". This is unlike yours where one of your pillars is to eliminate non believers.
silverbullet from Brazil 09/07/2009 09:57:40 PM 
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the cross
really changes the whine for drops of blond.
The Phoenix from USA 09/07/2009 10:07:58 PM 
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Sins of yesterday do not get passed on to the unborn children
What you say is just American history. What we did was flee Europe, make peace with the Indians which we celebrate in our holiday Thanks Giving, and live free. But the British chased us down, imposed their soldiers into our homes, forced taxes to pay and told us we can't make our own money, as the British trained the Indians to scalp the white man. United States of America. In our history we have freed slaves, given women and all others equal rights and votes. And you will praise "All a" when Iran and the Taliban stones to death women for all to see. You lecture to me? Now that is funny.
abe parker from South Africa 09/07/2009 10:17:33 PM 
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tower ran to sweden
TOW IRAN, attempt to BE clever, not sound clever, your so called debate and smart alec answers add nothing to humanity, usa invasions into several countries even in south america was not violins? nor their coup of iran democratic elected government in fifty three? nor their grooming arming sad dame? nor their forming arming etc of tall i ban? the creator and friends of been laden family and all queue door? go to the hot place you so and so
Lee from USA 09/07/2009 10:38:30 PM 
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You den comments attempting to deceive us consistently ....
The agents of zionism are always using deception in everything they practice. The swedish more on is not in sweden but is using sweden to appear white subconsciously. In reality, he is another zionism agent on in mill rose park illinois. Another agent of zionism defending israel. BORING .... We all know what a beneath life entity israel is and if any of us reads about the tall mood, you will understand these thieves of life. I urge you to read about the tall mood which zionism says does not exist?
silverbullet from Brazil 09/07/2009 10:51:24 PM 
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orthodox hebraic
condemn zionism. This voices you can hear live in the houses and streets.
TopCat from USA 09/07/2009 11:01:39 PM 
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Apartheid?
You have to wonder why Israel is prospering, while Palestinians are living in abject poverty. This applies to Palestinian refugees living in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt. It's hard to tell whether the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Banks standard of living is better or worse then those living in Arabic countries. There plight is never discussed or reported, it's as if they don't exist. Life for those living in Gaza continues to worsen because of the actions of Hamas. One can only wonder how much different the Palestinians standard of living, safety and security would be without the meddling by Iran through their proxy militia Hamas and other extremist groups.
OCKNOD to DIM STAR OF DAVID from USA 09/07/2009 11:37:37 PM 
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" It's a matter of time "
Let me remind you of what Obama, our new president for probably the next eight years, said __ "America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Joe wish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied" __ He also said "All Kite Ah killed nearly three thousand people on that day. The victims were innocent man, women and children from America who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet all Kite Ah elected to ruthlessly murder these people" ___ A matter of time you say David?? AIR RUBs will have to live with the stigma of September eleven for decades to come. It demonstrated to us what Israel has had to endure for sixty years.
OCKNOD to DIM STAR OF DAVID from USA 09/07/2009 11:47:28 PM 
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CROSS BELIEVER?
You shouldn't throw stones where it comes to beliefs!!! How about the well documented paid oh file!!!!! and seventy two virginian??? .. I think you folks get the blue ribbon!!
Tony from New Zealand (Aotearoa) 09/07/2009 11:57:35 PM 
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This is an oft repeated refrain but that does not make it true
Calling Israel Apartheid is like calling santa claus a burglar, they may occasionally act in a similar way but their intentions are very different, most importantly the very idea of both is a fantasy. Israel was created as a homeland for the you and all the whining from the a wraps and their deluded apologists will not change that. So forget any return of refugees, it will simply never happen. You have to remember that the palestinians of the west bank and gaza are not and will never be israeli citizens. They are occupied and one day presumably they will see sense and negotiate to get their own state. Israel may be a racially exclusive state to an extent but remember that the a wraps of Israel have equal rights and even a vote. No one disputes the palestinians have got a raw deal but they have certainly done everything in their power to make their own situation even worse at every opportunity. The fact is that Israel is here to stay so get over it and give up the insane comparisons.
Tony from New Zealand (Aotearoa) 10/07/2009 12:32:20 AM 
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To David from Canada (the very stoop id anti He brow one)
Well now you really are not the sharpest blade in the draw are you? You say we have planes flying into buildings because we support Israel and you think USA should hold Israel to fault for this. Well you need to wake up fellow, we are very well aware of who was responsible for that outrage and it will take decades for the a wrap people to live down the stigma of that crime. Should USA let these backward criminals dictate their policy in the hope of avoiding terrier attacks then? I don't think so! What the nine eleven attack proved was not that USA policy was wrong but that the a wrap terrier criminals who carried it out are beneath contempt and the actions of Israel and others to destroy them are not only justified but commendable. The terriers made a bad mistake with that attack and it will return to haunt them. Yes it is just a matter of time before they are all in the hot place. Obama has confirmed once again that USA will never abandon Israel. Get over it!
silverbullet from Brazil 10/07/2009 12:33:24 AM 
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You have to wonder why Israel is prospering
of course, americans is paying taxes for this. Go on.
To Tonny VAn Rate from New Zealand (Aotearoa) 10/07/2009 01:37:48 AM 
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Santa clause never exited
so too Israel is a fake state that never existed and will be wiped out soon from your imagination.
David J..E..W.. to Jailed from Canada 10/07/2009 01:59:41 AM 
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The fanatics, Hamas Adopted the Khartoum Accord For Their Raison d'etre. No Recognition of Israel. No negotiations With Israel and NO PEACE WITH ISRAEL! Now with this as only a few their charter tenets it does not make sense to speak of peace.
These A Raps are totally lost in a fundamental war with reality. This is not about race. It is about indoctrination. They refuse to see the reality of truth with regards to the Sovereign State of Israel. They do this because they wish it not to be so and they desire to "make it not so". This comes from their indoctrination from the cradle. Sadly, they continue to gain NOTHING. Sixty years of nothing when they could have had a sixty year old sovereign country with the entire ownership of Jerusalem. They said no because they wanted it all. Now they have even less but they, as unrealistic children still want it all. They can not see the reality of a sovereign state and one that is accepted by the entire civilized world. The United States, Russia, China, America, France, Britain, Italy, etc. etc. etc. etc. There will be a peace but it will have to be forced on these A Rubs. They still believe they can make Israel Disappear. Foolish people! Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah. What are they? Nothing
David J..E..W.. from Canada 10/07/2009 02:06:13 AM 
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It Is So Very Easy To See - Read These Pages - Read The Posts from A Rubs. No Talk About Making Peace - Only Talk About the Deletion of the Sovereign State of Israel!
This clearly shows that the desire is not for peace. Deeply ingrained into their people, by their fanatics, have created generations of people who do not want peace and only want the destruction of Israel. This they MUST be led to the Negotiation table and MADE to understand that they DO NOT speak from a position of power. That is another A Rub characteristic. They see a loss as a win and they actually see themselves as a powerful people, not as a group more fractured than even the Africans. They truly believe that Iran is a super power and that they are some kind of special people who can lose wars and state they have won the war, proven by the mere fact that they are alive after the war is over. They are alive because they run to the ground, putting their civilians in harms way. Israel decries loss of life, especially civilian lives, but clearly these people MUST be dealt with in harsh terms because they don't negotiate. The fanatics have black and white, with very little grey area.
Lee from USA 10/07/2009 02:23:04 AM 
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HEBRAIC EXTINCTION
You can tell that zionism is affected and worried by this apart tied charge. We all know its true but they will squirm and post three times if need be to convince the neutrals of their point. israel will FAIL at some point and all their weapons will not help them. You can't use nuclear weapons on yourself and thats the final end. Do not be swayed by words you read here. Let your eyes and MIND be the final judge. We all see what Palestinians are going through. Is that fair? It is not because of their own doing. israel keeps them DOWN even without water and medicine and ill. I feel sorry for israelis and you den who will all be persecuted again if it takes a thousand years. Next time it may be to extinction.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:28:42 AM 
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Two Kinds Of Jew-elry Joe, [my ma said],
there are two kinds of Jew-elry. One kind has reacted to the unspeakable horror of the Holocausts by vowing that they will do anything to make sure it does not happen to our people again. While the other kind of Jew-elry took as their lesson from the same terrible event that they must do whatever they can to make sure it does not happen again to any people anywhere. Joe, [ma went on], I want you to promise me that you will always be the second kind of Jew-elry, Joseph Murphy. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:30:23 AM 
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One Power Which Really Counts
"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jew-elry are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it," Val- die- mire Jab- bo- tin- sky, Jew-elry- wish Daily Bulletin--s, July twenty seven, nineteen thirty five. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:33:50 AM 
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Holocausts! Holocausts! Holocausts!: Who Needs Ovens When You Have Tens Of Billions Dollars U.S. High Tech Weapons To Kill Walled Up Occupied Defenseless Palestinian Babies and People
Is it justice! is it justice? that an occupier can destroy civilian homes, businesses, hospitals, schools full of kids and destroy infrastructure to kill the occupied people they are seeking to destroy? Is it ever justice that an occupier's military nation can wall up civilians in ghettos for six decades and oppress them against a wall and expect no retaliations? It is the very nature of most people to fight back against oppression and occupation as the writer(s) wrote, "YOU MaY Take Our Lives But Not Our Freedom!" What are WE the People of the World going to do to help the oppressed? Will we support the military occupations who kills and steal lands to oppressed occupied people? Justice, Justice, Justice and Mercy for Civilians who have been occupied by military occupation for decades! Oppression makes a wise man mad. They are killing the babies and people in the Palestinian Holocausts! Holocausts! Holocausts! of Two Thousand and Nine! Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:40:08 AM 
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In the immediate aftermath of the Nineteen Forty Eight war that founded Israel...
the country's first Euro Zionism prime minister, David Ben Gu- r- ion, established a new law: families would receive a large cash sum on the birth of their tenth child-ren. The policy was a central plank in Ben Gu- r- ion's plans to repopulate a land from which most of the Palestinian people had fled or were forcibly expelled. The policy did not last long, however. A short time later, when he asked his officials how the scheme was doing, Ben Gu- r- ion was surprised to learn that, although many women had been claiming the payment, almost none were Jew-elry. The main beneficiaries were the one hundred and fifty thousand - strong community of A- r- abe that had stayed on their lands and become Israeli citizens. The scheme was scrapped: Jonathan Cook. We are involved here in a struggle for the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jew-elry, as opposed to those who want to force us to be a state of all its citizens: Limes-- or, Liven-- at, two thousand and two. Peace
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:42:46 AM 
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Michael Adams, January Twenty Six, Nineteen Sixty Eight
I had my ups and downs during four years as prisoner of war in Germany, but the Germans never treated me as harshly as the Israelis are treating the A- r- -abe of Gaza Strip, the majority of whom are women and kids. By: Michael Adams, January twenty six, nineteen sixty eight. This sentence comes from an article in the Guardian written by Michael Adams when he was in the Middle East preparing a series of documentary films for the British Broad Casting. The article, which described Israeli defiance of the nineteen forty nine Geneva Convention (punitive curfews, houses demolitions, shootings in civilian territory) was quoted in a debate at the UN Security Council on March twenty first, nineteen sixty eight. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:44:40 AM 
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Ariel Shark -ron, October Third, Two Thousand and One, to Show- mons Per- es
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jew-elry people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Shark- ron, October Third, Two Thousand and One, to Show- mons Per- es, as reported on Kola- israel radio. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 02:46:09 AM 
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Zionism: July Fourteen, Nineteen Seventy Two
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonial-- nation or Jew-elry- -wish State without the eviction of the A- r- abe and the expropriation of their lands," July fourteen, nineteen seventy two. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 03:20:02 AM 
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Everybody is somebody's Jew----elry
And today the Palestinians are the Jew-----elry of the Israelis: Primo Levi, nineteen eighty two. I believe that when Jew----elry behave and act like Na- zi--p, they should be compared to Na- zi--p. This wouldn't be a sweeping condemnation of Jew----elry, but rather a rejection of evils actions, behaviour and dogmas, Ma- mood Na- -mirror, April twenty ninth, two thousand and four. These are the comments of Na- -mirror related to the Berlin conference about anti-Semitism. About the conference he stated that it is "obscene and corrupt lumping of anti - Zionism and anti-Semitism". Peace to the world.
He lied they cheered they died from Canada 10/07/2009 03:30:06 AM 
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In the Black Dominated Southern Provinces.
It reminds me the pictures of coffins of Blacks killed by South African Apartheid Both a government in nineteen seventies and eighties. Colonialism, created by England, well survives in the form of Apartheid and Imperialism.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 03:40:56 AM 
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Dr. Martin Luther King: April Sixteen, Nineteen Sixty Three: We should never forget that everything A- -dolt Hitler did in Germany was legal
and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew-elry in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jew-elry brothers. I think that Dr. King was underlining the point that sometimes man-made laws guided by a nation's gov, when it's commits atrocities, robbing a group of people of dignities, liberties and freedoms, these laws are immoral and unjust and should not be followed by good mens. Euro Zionism Israel is an A- -dolt Hitler Germany to the oppressed occupied Palestinians who today live in a Holocausts forced by Euro Zionism Israel apartheid government. Dr. King said, "One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, Dr. Martin King." Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 03:49:11 AM 
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The Ko- en- rig Memorandum
"We must use terrorism, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its A- r- -abe population," Israel Ko- en- rig, "The Ko- en- rig Memorandum. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 03:51:12 AM 
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Ariel Shark- -ron
"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirt--ier- -tee work for Israel, to kill as many A- -r- -abe as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn--s them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jew-elry, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care." Ariel Shark- -ron. Peace to the world.
Space Peeple from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 04:43:56 AM 
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Archbishop Des- mound To to: December Twenty Fifth, Nineteen Eighty Nine
"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could describe events in South Africa." Archbishop Des- mound To to, observes during Christmas visit to Jerusalem, December Twenty Fifth, Nineteen Eighty Nine. From Israeli daily Ha-re -a- -ritz, cited in Palestine Perspectives, January / February Nineteen Ninety. Peace to the world.
Tony from New Zealand (Aotearoa) 10/07/2009 09:22:27 AM 
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To the empty Space between the ears
Wow how many posts is that Space Junk? It must be quite difficult to write so much with out an original word any where. Your obsessive compulsive cut and paste activities are getting out of control again Space Junk! As you are obviously incapable of getting a life or doing any thing constructive, how about doing us all a favour and letting the adults talk in peace. If you get bored you can always go and buy some more batteries for your huge collection of bed toys. Go on you know you want to!
Space People from Milky Way from USA 10/07/2009 09:35:13 AM 
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Listen here Tony JUNK
Just because I grew up in a trailer park does not mean I can not express an opinion. I like to quote world leaders constantly because I am too stoop it. And yes I need my bed toys because my but is so big, you can show a drive in movie on it. No man would even think of banging me. So I need my TWELVE inch black dill do, which i have named BARRACK. ALL TRUE. PIECE TO THE WORLD.
Silver from Iran 10/07/2009 09:43:52 AM 
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Tony the Self Confessed Baby Killer
Yo Ret Hard! What's up? No babies to kill today? Feeling bored made are fake are? Life must be hard for a loser like you when the day comes where no babies are killed. You piece of *hit you!
Bruce from Australia 10/07/2009 10:24:41 AM 
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I see SPACE WHO aRE is still bringing out the same fabrications.
And the gullible BACKWARD people lap it up like the uneducated MORE ON they are. he he he. I love this, the UGLY leading the BACKWARD. No wonder these are the most BACKWARD people on the planet.
Silver from Iran 10/07/2009 10:44:30 AM 
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Bruce the Pink!
Yo Pinky, you are such a drama queen! You diseased inbred you! :-)
Bruce from Australia 10/07/2009 10:49:33 AM 
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All HAIL the Supreme Dictator of Iran.
It is all the Press TV that the Supreme Leader in Iran is grooming his Son to take over Iran after him. Typical BACKWARD country where they can only endorse dictatorships. I bet Silver is creaming his knickers over this news.
Aniyan from India 10/07/2009 10:55:26 AM 
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a un civilized shame nation
Flourishing evils and its supporters! The civilized world character is love to fellow humans, consider all fellow humans as brothers and sisters, work towards humanity and property of humans. Perhaps these characters lack few if we go through individuals to individuals. As a whole nation, this mode reflect in general, EXCEPT the country called ISRAEL. They lack this. They think they are special and above all others. They steal land and kill innocents the last sixty years. A evils shame nation! Its regime is crooked, cruel, evils at it has only one aim steal land and kill palestinians and expel them all.
Silver from Iran 10/07/2009 11:06:46 AM 
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Bruce the Pink!
Wrong again PINKY! I used to cream you mamma knickers but that was before the old bag could still afford her own set!! You uneducated, never loved, LOSER! And I am being kind to you!
HARDFACTS from India 10/07/2009 11:30:43 AM 
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BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
All the A Rap Is Limes states were invented by the British. So, lets pray five times for England!
Bash from Ghana 10/07/2009 11:41:32 AM 
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All HAIL the Supreme Dictator of Iran
Shame onto you Bruce. You are the ill educated I have ever met. Learn to accept others creativity and stope thinkinf western style democracy is the best. Iranians trust their system and west must learn to accept that rather than just try to eliminate it. We are watching
Silver from Iran 10/07/2009 11:44:02 AM 
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Believe it or not
INDIA was formed by England. They still refer to an Englishman as "Owner"! during conversation!! Lets Pray TEN times for England!! :-)
Boz from Poland 10/07/2009 01:05:49 PM 
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Wretched Palestinians
Mr. Gorbachev tore down his wall... Israel needs to tear down theirs and Mr. Mubarek must OPEN that crossing! and open it NOW!
silverbullet from Brazil 10/07/2009 01:41:52 PM 
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lets pray a thousand times
usa congress is ruled by zionist lobby. Lets pray a thousand times for israel.
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 03:51:17 PM 
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attempt to BE clever, not sound clever, your so called debate and smart alec answers add nothing to humanity
And your unfounded accusations add to humanity? I never claimed that the US is not involved or do not use violins; they have and they do. All I am saying is that they do it mostly for themselves, not for Israel or zionism alone or anyone else. Do you argue against that? If so, why?
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 04:01:05 PM 
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The swedish more on is not IN in sweden but is using sweden to appear white subconsciously.
If you notice, the comment says FROM, not IN, genius. But why the interest in my identity? Do you want to know me personally and have a relationship with me? I do not care to know you at all. I just comment on your posting about me; I don't really care who you are or where you are. This is the internet and I can move to another computer and use another name and domicile and my comments would still be the same. Our comments are the only things that count here; not our identity. This is not a social network where you get to know someone. Go to face book or my space for that. And avoid using foul language when you make your comments and you would sound mature and half way intelligent.
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 04:05:54 PM 
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You have to wonder why Israel is prospering. of course, americans is paying taxes for this.
But why are the Palestinians still wallowing in poverty when America is paying taxes for this, too, for the last sixty years? Go on.
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 04:08:38 PM 
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Israel is a fake state that never existed and will be wiped out soon
There is something terribly wrong with that statement. How can something that "never existed" be "wiped out soon"?
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 04:13:20 PM 
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You can tell that zionism is affected and worried by this apart tied charge. WE ALL know its true?
No, we all do NOT know; that is why there is the big debate about it. You may THINK it is true, but do not include us by claiming "WE ALL".
Tawiran from Sweden 10/07/2009 04:23:37 PM 
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I used to cream you mamma knickers but that was before the old bag could still afford her own set!! You uneducated, never loved, LOSER! And I am being kind to you!
With comments like that and the foul langauge you use, how can you expect to be taken seriously here for your thoughts?
silverbullet from Brazil 10/07/2009 05:00:35 PM 
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easy math
just see how much americans spends in human help for pales, and how much spends with israel in sixty years. let the americans do the math.
Rashid from Tanzania 10/07/2009 07:48:17 PM 
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Zionism is equal to apartheid
A very powerful article. Zionism is equal to apartheid of the worst kind.


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