When Robindronath Thakur wrote this poem"Amar Sonar Bangla" he wrote this for entire undivided Bengal in mind. That Bengal has not been established yet and we don;t know
when undivided Bengal will be one nation in near future.Current Bangladesh is the muslim majority portion of the undivided Bengal and Hindu majority Bengal is under Indian occupation.
Who advocated this as our national anthem and who approved this is still unknown to most of us.If Bangladesh's national flag can be changed
why not change the national anthem too. The national map has been removed from our flag just after liberation and replaced with the red sun.
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We strongly support the idea of changing the National Anthem, mostly because the word 'Bangladesh' is missing, and it is very dull in wording and without any power/force in tune.
May be we have a new song with powerful wording and tune.
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I agree with all points/arguments raised below by AB and FR. Let me please join the debate, the topic of which is the subject of my Holiday article attached herewith. JK
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2012/6/20 Abid Bahar <
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TAGORE, THE INDIAN BRIDGE WITH BANGLADESH!
(Debates on Tagor's "Amer Sonar Bangla" as Bangladesh's National Anthem)
They Like us Sing their Song but don't like to Hear our Cries!- debate among Bangladeshi elites on Tagor's "Amer Sonar Bangla..."
Tuesday April 25 2006 17:36:03 PM BDT
Abid Bahar , Canada <mailto:
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There have been growing debates among Bangladeshi elites on Tagor's "Amer Sonar Bangla..." song whether to keep it or change it for a new national anthem. The objection is that the song was composed by Tagore during the anti partition movement of 1911 in which the West Bengali elites including Tagore himself took a leading role.
The contemporary debates among Bangladeshis is that ever since the partition movement, even Tagore changed his allegiance from Bengal to India and he also personally recommended that Bankim's communal "Bande Materem..." song should be adopted as India's national anthem.
From the time of Tagore many things have changed. West Bengal joined with India, and East Bengal with Pakistan. Again during the liberation war of Bangladesh in 1971, India with our West Bengali brothers secretly built the Farakka dam to deprive the Bangladeshis of the needed water, drying up our "sonar bangla". Despite our cries, there has been no protest from West Bengali brothers against India in the destruction of our "sonar Bangla". It seems that they like us sing their song but don't like to hear our cries! And our singing of Tagore's song in the mornings, evenings,or even every day doesn't change their mind to stop building more dams. Our waters have been taken away for ever.
In addition, from our brother, the West Bengali Premier Buddha Dev's one favorite word is reserved for Bangladesh, that it is "a terrorist state;" the same message one would find parroted through AL's advisers in Dhaka. This is despite the fact that West Bengal is terrorized by its home grown terrorists when we are for no reason only bombarded with humiliation. To put down Bangladesh internationally dadas keeps Taslima to work for BJP and write for Ananda Bazar Patrika. This is the brotherly gesture we get even when we sing our brother Tagore's song on a daily basis.
The debate in favor of changing our present national anthem was also made strong by new information that Tagore himself was known to have protested against the establishment of Dhaka university. We know Nabab Salimullah and Nawab Abdul Latif, were behind the establishment of the university, both were generally despised by the West elites for taking their historic initiatives. Fortunately Tagore was not openly one of them, but he was in their company.
It is true that Tagore's song is a beautiful expression of Bengal. However, in reality due to the divided Bengal, it remains only an illusion and it will be a wise idea that Bangladeshis change its anthem. It is also because historically Dhaka University worked as the central institution in the renaissance of our modern Bangladesh spirit.
Undoubtedly, Tagore's expression in the song " Amar Sonar..." about Bengal is beautiful. But the pro West Bengali/ pro-India Bangladeshis should understand that Tagore's Bengal is not there anymore. It is shattered into pieces and in the song there is no where to be found the word "Bangladesh."
� In addition, today West Bengalis aren't against Bangladesh's death trap Farakka and other 51 dams that are drying up Tagore's "Sonar Bangla." The fence built by India dividing Bengal permanently is not opposed by West Bengal, but protected by its Bengali joans and killing Bangladeshis on a daily basis.
Additionally, if Tagore's song was proven to be chosen not by Bangladeshis in 1971 but by an Indian agent working inside Bangladesh, it also questions its credibility as something not of the people's choice.
Fourthly, Tagore as a poet is indeed great. But it doesn't reflect the reality of what he once upon a time said for a united Bengal. In addition to this, as a national anthem, there is also no doubt that it is dull, and spiritless.
More importantly, Tagore's song is about Bengal of the past, not of the future.
Finally, as we begin our present journey for a future for a modern Bangladesh, we should consciously choose things good for us as a nation. Then, could it be that Nazrul's "Chol, Chol, Chol, Uldhe Gogona Baje Madal, ..., Chol, Chol..." is an appropriate choice for our national anthem.
If the BJP, (the communal party) government of India can change even Muslim names of places like Ahamadabad, Mujafarabad and British named Bombay, the later into "Mumbai" the name of a Hindu godess, Bangladesh should be able to make a conscious choice in writing its own national anthem.
This undoubtedly will displease Gaffor Chowdhury, Suranjit Sen and many other Bangladeshi India-lovers. But surely, they don't represent Bangladesh or its spirit. So as to make sure that it is going to be a people's choice, there should be a national referendum on this. Because if progress means change in a desirable direction, Bangladeshis' desirable direction would be for a song about Bangladesh.
If Bangladeshis chose Nazrul's more upbeat, lively song, "Chol, Chol, Chol..." or a new song, appropriate for our nation, to please the others we should also keep Tagore's beautiful song" Sonar..." as Bangladesh AL's exclusive party anthem.
Many India lovers see Tagore as a bridge between Bangladesh and West Bengal But after years of Indian hegemony with Bangladesh, there is no Rabindra or whatever bridge left on the ground. If there is a bridge it is only a puppeteer bridge built between Hasina's AL� and Indian Pronob Mukherjee.What was lately built was only the Indian fence.
Abid Bahar
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