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Re:: [chottala.com] Att. Dr. Siraj Uddowllah....How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka



Mr. turkman@sb​cglobal.net wrote: SIRAJ WROTE: "Bengali Muslims are now not Total Muslims or not Total Bengali Leader can tell". written by dina khan. 

Mr. turkman@sb​cglobal.net you are confused. dina khan WROTE this not Dr. Siraj Uddowllah. 


TURKMAN: 
I was reading a book about situation and circumstances the Prophet Mohammad was born Hijaaz. After learning, what kind of Character those Bedouin had, I had started crying because our Characters are worse than them now and they were called 'Koffaar' by Allah in Qoraan. If they were Koffaar, what are we? 
Was word Allah invented by our Prophet? No. It exited before as Supreme God over all gods just like word 'BHugwaan' exists in Hindi and means the same. Did they believe in Allah before birth of our Prophet?
Yes they had. Did they worship Him?
Yes they but Tradition of worship was different. Did they observe 'Rmjaan'?
Yes they did, just like Jews and Christians, who practice Fasting also still but in a different way and in a different Month. Did they pay Alms or Charity like ZkaaT?
Yes they did just like we are doing now. Did they celebrate Eid?
Yes they did because both Eid are their Customs that were adopted in Islam. Did they perform Hajj?
Yes they did and every year because it was also their Tradition that was adopted in Islam. So, in which term were they different from us except calling ourselves Moslims and accepting Prophet Mohammad as Messenger of Allah that Allah should not think of us same as Koffaar since we are worse in character than the one's He had called Koffaar?
Is there any Mollaa that can answer my this question alive?
---------- 

--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...> wrote:
Division of India in 1947 is shameful and harmful for Muslims people over all of India sub continent. It is
clear that creation of Pakistan was not for Islam or not for then Indian Muslim€™s
interest. 
Examples.
> Punjab and Bengal was Muslim
> Majority Provinces in undivided India.
>  Punjab and Bengal is
> divided.  
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Majority Muslim' interest?
>  Or
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Minority Hindus' interest? 
> Why are not for the interest of
> Muslim divided other Provinces of India where Muslims are Minority and Hindus
> are Majority? 
> Is it not clear?
>  That division was done Punjab and
> Bengal only for the interest of minority Hindus who are in Punjab and Bengal.
>  Division was not done other provinces of India
> where Muslims are minority for interest of Muslim. Division also was not done for
> religion of Islam... If division is done for religion then why by division of
> India are not created separate states for Christ people Buddies people Sheik
> people and other religion people of India 


> It can say that 
>  The then Muslims leaders in
> India Sub continent were either not foresighted politicians or were very
> foolish politicians or they were not doing politics for common Muslims€™
> Interest or they thought to getting power and common Muslims people were
> misguided by so called power catching Muslim leaders. 
> Urdu and Hindi language speaking leaders
> thought to rule Indian people  under control  Hindi and Urdu 
> Language by dividing  India  in 2 nation theory in the name Hindu
> and Muslims and after division of India Hindi  has become  state
> language of India and Urdu tried in Pakistan.  Then Muslim Bengali leader
> AK Fazlul Haque who was against of such type division of Bengal understood the meaning of India division in 1947 but  others were not and
> foolish Bengal Muslims leaders understood it later. 
> And Pakistan broken by the help India for language and was created Bangladesh 

>
 Bengali Muslims are now not
> Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
> Leader can tell.
> What Bengali Muslims is either
> Bengali or Bangladeshi? Or Total what?

 

 



 

 


 From:  siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@hotmail.com wrote

--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com,


Dear dina khan I fully agree with your viewpoint but could not agree when you mentioned in India there were minority people of Bangla language. When we consider in united Pakistan Bangla language was not a language of minority people rather this Bangla language people in the whole of Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language inIndia but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies) were minority in comparison to Bangla speaking people.

The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan. 
Pakistan was created because of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others.

I really feel pity for the Indian's left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars used to be named as Biharis over there.

The Muslims from India who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now. Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men of the Muslim Ummah.

Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.


> > 
> > http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> > http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka





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Re: [chottala.com] Att. Dr. Siraj Uddowllah....How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka



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From: "turkman@sbcglobal.net" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Att. Dr. Siraj Uddowllah....How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka

 
SIRAJ WROTE:
"Bengali Muslims are now not Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
Leader can tell".
.
TURKMAN:
I was reading a book about situation and circumstances the Prophet Mohammad was born Hijaaz. After learning, what kind of Character those Bedouin had, I had started crying because our Characters are worse than them now and they were called 'Koffaar' by Allah in Qoraan. If they were Koffaar, what are we?
Was word Allah invented by our Prophet? No. It exited before as Supreme God over all gods just like word 'BHugwaan' exists in Hindi and means the same. Did they believe in Allah before birth of our Prophet?
Yes they had. Did they worship Him?
Yes they but Tradition of worship was different. Did they observe 'Rmjaan'?
Yes they did, just like Jews and Christians, who practice Fasting also still but in a different way and in a different Month. Did they pay Alms or Charity like ZkaaT?
Yes they did just like we are doing now. Did they celebrate Eid?
Yes they did because both Eid are their Customs that were adopted in Islam. Did they perform Hajj?
Yes they did and every year because it was also their Tradition that was adopted in Islam. So, in which term were they different from us except calling ourselves Moslims and accepting Prophet Mohammad as Messenger of Allah that Allah should not think of us same as Koffaar since we are worse in character than the one's He had called Koffaar?
Is there any Mollaa that can answer my this question alive?
----------

--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
> Division of India in 1947 is
> shameful and harmful for Muslims people over all of India sub continent. It is
> clear that creation of Pakistan was not for Islam or not for then Indian Muslim€™s
> interest.
> Examples.
> Punjab and Bengal was Muslim
> Majority Provinces in undivided India.
>  Punjab and Bengal is
> divided. 
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Majority Muslim' interest?
>  Or
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Minority Hindus' interest?
> Why are not for the interest of
> Muslim divided other Provinces of India where Muslims are Minority and Hindus
> are Majority?
> Is it not clear?
>  That division was done Punjab and
> Bengal only for the interest of minority Hindus who are in Punjab and Bengal.
>  Division was not done other provinces of India
> where Muslims are minority for interest of Muslim. Division also was not done for
> religion of Islam... If division is done for religion then why by division of
> India are not created separate states for Christ people Buddies people Sheik
> people and other religion people of India
>
>
> It can say that
>  The then Muslims leaders in
> India Sub continent were either not foresighted politicians or were very
> foolish politicians or they were not doing politics for common Muslims€™
> Interest or they thought to getting power and common Muslims people were
> misguided by so called power catching Muslim leaders.
> Urdu and Hindi language speaking leaders
> thought to rule Indian people  under control  Hindi and Urdu 
> Language by dividing  India  in 2 nation theory in the name Hindu
> and Muslims and after division of India Hindi  has become  state
> language of India and Urdu tried in Pakistan.  Then Muslim Bengali leader
> AK Fazlul Haque who was against of such type division of Bengal understood the meaning of India division in 1947 but  others were not and
> foolish Bengal Muslims leaders understood it later.
> And Pakistan broken by the help India for language and was created Bangladesh
>
> Bengali Muslims are now not
> Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
> Leader can tell.
> What Bengali Muslims is either
> Bengali or Bangladeshi? Or Total what?
>  
>  
>  
>
> ________________________________
> From: siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@...>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Dear dina khan I fully agree with your viewpoint but could not
> agree when you mentioned in India there were minority people of Bangla
> language. When we consider in united Pakistan Bangla language was not a
> language of minority people rather this Bangla language people in the whole of
> Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking
> people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language in
> India but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies)  were minority in comparison to
> Bangla speaking people. 
> The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by
> the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that
> was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish
> Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with
> that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan.  
> Pakistan was created because
> of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to
> constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East
> Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others. 
> I really feel pity for the Indian's
> left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in  Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or
> Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars
> used to be named as Biharis over there. 
> The Muslims from India
> who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and
> western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most
> neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now.
> Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers
> and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the
> beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of
> their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in
> spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of
> 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped
> them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all
> spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology
> and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men  of the Muslim
> Ummah. 
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com; awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> CC: tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; Diagnose@yahoogroups.com; sa7rong@yahoogroups.com; calcutta@yahoogroups.com
> From: dina30_khan@...
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:59:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>  
>
>
> Pakistan was created under division of India in 1947 making foolish Muslims and making Bengali people  and Bangla language minority people  Language in India for Hindi making state language of India and Urdu for Pakistan..
> After division of India Muslims people in India lost their property and birth right  in all over of India and being migrated  from India to West and East Pakistan lost their life and property.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
> To: awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: t t <tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com>; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; di a <Diagnose@yahoogroups.com>; 7 ro <sa7rong@yahoogroups.com>; chottala@yahoogroups.com; C C <calcutta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 7:22 AM
> Subject: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
>
> My comments are inserted below.
>
> --- In
> alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
> >
> > *How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka*
> >
> >   By Shenali Waduge
> >
> > With a population of 1.2billion living across a landmass of 2973190 square
> > kilometers, there is no denying India’s power. Yet, if not for its
> > inferiority we cannot comprehend why India would desire to adopt a
> > consistent policy and go to great lengths to destabilize each of its
> > neighbors whilst pretending to be their friend.
> .
> TURKMAN: Why was not India pretending to be Friend of Pakistan before 1971? Had Pakistan not declared India her Birth Enemy before all this?
> ----------
>  Diplomacy is one thing but to know that men and material are being used to destroy a neighboring nation simply does not justify any of the excuses India gives purely to deceive the masses and gain international prestige for
> itself.
> >
> TURKMAN: What 'Material' was India using to destroy Pakistan?
> -----------
> > The example of Bangladesh is perfect to describe the birth of Indian intelligence agency RAW tasked to partition Pakistan and create Bangladesh in 1971. It was in 1947 that 2 different countries were created â€â€Å" Pakistan and India. Muslims were divided into 2 countries bearing 2 different nationalities. West Pakistan was dominated by Punjabi’s while East Pakistan was the home to Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs.
> >
> TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know that Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs did not live in West Pakistan. Nobody knows this.
> -------
> > What we are taught to believe is that Bengali leader Sheikh Mujibar Rehman resented political power vested with West Pakistan elite and had formed the Awami League demanding autonomy for East Pakistan and though he won the 1970 general election, he was put in
> jail leading
> to the Bangladesh Liberation War which created Bangladesh. A missing piece in this incident is the role India’s intelligence played.
> >
> TURKMAN: Oh don't we know, India had turned majority of Pakistanis, the Bengalis in to her Agents before Awami League won, right? India had first ordered Punjabis to discriminate against Bengalis make East Pakistan become a lot poorer than West Pakistan also to cause dissent, right?
> ----------
> > By creating Bangladesh, India also created an enemy in Pakistan.
> .
> TURKMAN: Oh sure, before India created Bangladesh, Pakistan used to be a good Friend of India and had not fought against India in 1948 and Pakistan had not covertly attacked India in 1965. India created an Enemy in Pakistan only in 1971, right Liar?
> ---------
>  No formal ties will erase the hate Pakistan has against India.
> >
> > The resentment of East Pakistan towards West Pakistan was triggered by none other
> than
> India’s RAW using the card of “discrimination� similar to what they used against the Sinhalese by the Tamils.
> >
> TURKMAN: But who had given that Card of "Discrimination" to India if saintly West Pakistanis were never discriminating against Bengalis since birth of Pakistan?
> ----------
> > What India eventually did was to protect Awami League leaders, train and armed the insurgents which ultimately led to the disintegration of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: If Awami League Leaders were under Indian Protection, how the hell they had gotten arrested so easily by Paki Army Soldiers? Which Bengalis were trained by India before Army Action started against them in March, 1971? What the hell 'MookTi Bhaiyini' had accomplished until Indian Attack on East Pakistan? Which village had gone on its control, forget about cities?
> ---------
> > The Bangladesh breakup according to B.
> Raman’s book “The
> Kaoboys of R&AW� the break up of East Pakistan was carried out in 2 phases by Indira Gandhi and the RAW. Phase 1 was coordinated by Kao and phase 2 by Field Marshal Sham Manekshaw. RAW trained and supplied arms to Bengali anti-Pakistan militants. Indira Gandhi was given bugged conversations of top Pakistani officials. RAW had even funded Mujibur Rahman’s general election in 1970 and trained and armed the Mukti Bahini that RAW officers set up using Bengali refugees.
> .
> TURKMAN: Yeah, but all this would not have happened if West Pakistanis had treated Bengalis as their brothers. Awami League would not have won if Bengalis were not mad at their Rulers in West Pakistan. RAW could not have done nothing even if all accusations against India are correct because time proved, RAW has not done anything against Punjabi Rule in Pakistan from 1972 to now and they have kept ruling Pakistan against wishes of 56% of Pakistan's present Non Punjabi
> Population. If RAW had funded Sh. Mujib before 1970 Elections, why had Pakistan not banned Awami League?
> ----------
>  How many illegal refugees do we have in Sri Lanka â€â€Å" the people that our army rescued and what is their role like to be in future unless checked. Is it not for this reason that India insists on demilitarizing the North?
> >
> TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about here.
> --------
> > RAW continued its presence in Bangladesh even after the latters
> > independence by training Chakma tribes and Shanti Bahini to carry out subversive activities in Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: What Evidence you have to prove this?
> ------
> > Similar to how India forcefully made Sri Lanka sign the Indo-Lanka
> > Agreement and make constitutional changes, India put forward a 7-point agreement prior to Indian army overrunning the Pakistan army in just 2 weeks to create Bangladesh after
> obtaining a
> security guarantee from former Soviet Union in case of American interference. That 7 point plan included the following:
> .
> TURKMAN: I had no idea you make up all this stuff out of thin Air. Yes, India was so scared of USA despite that Pakistan had kicked all Americans out of Pakistan and had very strained relations with USA that she had gotten USSR to sign a 25 year Defense Agreement so, USA would not intervene. I am not reading rest of your B.S. supplied to you by ISI of Pakistan, who you work for. Bye.
> --------
>  
> > 1. Bangladesh Government had to select only those who participated in the liberation war to its administrative posts and shortfalls had to be filled by Indian officials.
> >
> > 2. Joint force comprising Indian army and Mukti Bahini under the command of
> > Indian Army chief to lead the liberation war.
> >
> > 3. Bangladesh to have no standing army.
> >
> > 4. India to raise paramilitary
> force to protect internal law and order of
> > Bangladesh.
> >
> > 5. Open market subject to periodical reviews.
> >
> > 6. Indian army to be stationed indefinitely in Bangladesh
> >
> > 7. Bangladesh’s foreign policy to be determined only in consultation with
> > India.
> >
> > This is how India strategically trapped Bangladesh who was taught to think
> > that it owed India for liberating it. India went on to tie Bangladesh
> > further by signing a “25 year friendship treaty� which further strangulated
> > any desire for liberty on the part of Bangladesh. In short Bangladesh could
> > not do anything without the concurrence of India. Thus, India made sure
> > that Bangladesh was nothing but India’s poodle.
> >
> > Yet a military coup took place in 1975 against corruption and dissolving of
> > Parliament to create a one party rule. The new government
> commenced
> ties
> > with China, USA, Europe and Middle East to diminish Indian influence with
> > resulted in further Indian angst.
> >
> > Bangladesh like Sri Lanka is important for India because it is a strategic
> > corridor between India and North East. Bangladesh also provides a bridge
> > between SAARC and ASEAN nations and is a key marine resource provider. Its
> > sea ports are important for trade as China is also aware. In short
> > Bangladesh is the most cost effective route for India to import gas from
> > Myanmar.
> >
> > Similar to some of the antics India pulls upon Sri Lanka has been what
> > Bangladesh experienced when it attempted to break away from Indian
> > influence. Border disputes are issues which India defers to solve much like
> > what Sri Lanka is experiencing with Tamil Nadu fishermen. Then there is
> > India’s border security and deployment of navy near South Talpatty
> as
> well
> > as India’s support towards secessionist movements in Chittagong Hill Tracks
> > going so far as to provide money & arms. Isn’t this what India did in Sri
> > Lanka?
> >
> > As in Sri Lanka’s case, India keeps using its media to invent fictitious
> > stories about how both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are a threat to India’s
> > security interests to pressurize these Governments into functioning
> > according to Indian dictates.
> >
> > Bangladesh nor Sri Lanka can adapt a single strategy to deal with a country
> > as large as India unless the neighbors tie together against India. All the
> > SAARC nations have experienced India’s backstabbing techniques. It hired
> > the LTTE to storm Maldives and then pretended to save Maldives. More
> > recently India has sided with the US to oust President Nasheed and install
> > a puppet leader. There was also
> rumors of an LTTE plot to
> kill Bangladesh’s
> > Sheikh Hasina in 1999 for a payment of $10m. It does all types of
> > activities to keep Nepal from developing & the list goes on.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka’s case what first angered India appears to have been the Sri
> > Lankan Government’s decision to allow refueling facilities to Pakistan’s
> > civil and military aircraft and ships during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
> > India was also angered when Sri Lanka permitted Israel to establish
> > intelligence presence and Sri Lanka permitted Voice of America to be
> > installed on the island. These have been called the “irritants� that
> > translated into the Indira Doctrine and Sri Lanka becoming the target of
> > RAW’s destabilizing policy.
> >
> > This surely must mean that India can be charged for state funded terrorism
> > because with RAW’s supervision camps were set up
> in Tamil Nadu, former RAQ
> >
> trainers were re-employed to train Tamil militant groups at centers in
> > Gunda and Gorakhpur.
> >
> > The covert operation in Sri Lanka found the RAW taking the situation into
> > its own hand by contravening its foreign policy and former Indian High
> > Commissioner is said to have even accused RAW of giving 10m rupees to LTTE.
> >
> > With RAW mandated to destabilize Sri Lanka, it went on to build up EPRLF,
> > ENDLF to create further dissent by challenging the LTTE as well. Today, you
> > may not see them but one can be sure there are plenty of RAW officers
> > around even in the suburbs. How long can India hide that India trained
> > Prabakaran & the LTTE?
> >
> > With all this knowledge if Sri Lanka is going to think that India will say
> > “We like you better than Bangladesh or Pakistan and we wont do anything
> > harmful ever to our neighbor� â€â€Å" we
> don’t deserve to be
> called sovereign!
> >
> > India may like to forget what it did to Sri Lanka because India now stands
> > to gain by exerting diplomatic pressures and using its media to reverse its
> > own guilt but the people of Sri Lanka know better even if the political
> > leaders of Sri Lanka are gullible to all the lies & deceits of India.
> >
> > What Sri Lanka do leaders must never forget is that the entire drama
> > revolving around Geneva was primarily to lay the foundation to oust the
> > present Government from power. In such a scenario all the pressures being
> > exerted is primarily targeting Sri Lanka’s political leaderships and if
> > they are naÃÆ'¯ve enough to forgive, forget and carry on caring less about
> > safeguarding the country even the people are likely to lose faith. This is
> > exactly what these foreign intelligence agencies currently in Sri Lanka are
> > attempting to
> achieve.
> What a pity it would be if our leaders carve out
> > their own ruin & take the country with them.
> >
> > Yet, it is still not too late and the people of Sri Lanka will back leaders
> > who can do what they achieved in 2009 in a new twist to terrorism coming
> > from the diplomatic front to usurp the sovereignty of our nation.Over to
> > you for action, Mr. President.
> >
> >
> > *Shenali Waduge is a working mother of two from Sri Lanka. She received her
> > Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Delhi in India. She
> > has lived abroad in both the UK and India and derives great joy from
> > learning about other cultures. Shenali’s journalism is an outlet to express
> > her desire to see a more fair and just society. A voice for truth, she
> > covers politics, social change, culture, women’s issues and education.
> > Shenali regularly contributes to the Asian
> Tribune
> and Lankaweb. Shenali is
> > also an artist and volunteers her time to programs that help the needy in
> > Sri Lanka. Her dream is to see a world without armaments, without strife
> > and with the freedom for all to experience world cultures.*
> >
> > http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> > http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka
>





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Re: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?



I have no problem when parent scolds their children if the child eats too many candy. One may call that AUTHORATARIAN parents so be it..


From: "turkman@sbcglobal.net" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?

 
Looks like Topic has been switched here. I think, what works should be adopted for good of all. That's all.

--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@...> wrote:
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> I might have to eat my word one day about my comments on Judiciary in USA, just take a look at the picture of the Judge that caused rumble in USA, who apprently a NIXON Appointee...he is the one that ruled on the case of AAtheist Dr who fought a legal battle over I think Pledge of alligence. I think Dr Himself did not have a life.., he basically represented himself...It is the judge that made ruling in his favor...I think he even invoked HINDU GOD VISHNU as us population is changing in more then one ways...JUST take a good look at the picture of the JUDGE...If you do not belive in reincarnation...He will remind you of Justice B. A. Siddique...
>
> From: Debasish Barua <gorba196138@...>
> To: "chottala@yahoogroups.com" <chottala@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?
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> When you bring SINGAPORE up..Intersting issue I suggest you find a copy of ABC's 20/20 Heraldo left...I think it was ROGER STRAUSSEL or so who narated and compared COMMUNIST WEST BENGAL to SINGAPORE...I think SINGAPORE does have electoral system but as far as I could tell things were as AUTHORATITIVE as One Party System..even at that now a days SINGAPORE buys AIRBUS and so..and some of CHINESE CHINESE BHAI BHAI has taken control..
>  
> You may question AUTHORATARIAN RULE...they even have it in USA...you have to be here to know in some way it is abit more crooked JUDICIARY is heavilly biased occasionally and Money plays a big role..Ordinary crimes ingnored other places such as traffic tickets you can end up in hugh mess..
>
> From: "turkman@..." <turkman@...>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:29 AM
> Subject: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?
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>  
> Well, so what I hear is, we do not understand Democracy and Sh. Mujib was right because he had wanted to declare the country Communist. May be we should move to Singapore Model of one Party Government then. In Singapore, people are just like Bengalis but Political System is Communist. Social System is similar to Western Europe's Welfare State System and Economy is free the way Foreign Capitalists want but no avoiding Taxes by them.
> In Singapore Economy is free, not Freedom of Speech. Capitalism rules but under Socialist Tax System.
> Singapore System is so Anti Rich, when cars were $ 8,000 in USA, they used to cost $ 78,000 in Singapore but then, now Singapore's Standard of Living is similar to rich EU Countries and Per Capita Income is not much lower than any rich EU Country at $ 36,000, while BD Per Capita still not even $ 1000. What would you like better?
> --------
>
> --- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@> wrote:
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> > First
> > of all you all need to learn to know
> > â"¬Ð°You need to
> > understand what types of politicians in Bangladesh are
> > i)â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð° What
> > does mean democracy?
> > ii)â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð° Whether
> > they know or not?
> > iii)â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°â"¬Ð° Isdemocracy lawful system or free style system democracy?
> > If democracy is followed system of law under lawful
> > constitution then politicians are needed to be honest lawful politicians to follow
> > the system of law under lawful honest discipline administration.
> > If democracy is followed free style system then politicians do not
> > require following any constitutional rules of law then politicians can do any thing
> > what they like to do and can say any word what politicians wish to say.
> > â"¬Ð°Now can you explain what type of politicians in Bangladesh are?
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@>
> > To: chottala@yahoogroups.com; manik195709@; syed.aslam3@; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; dahuk@yahoogroups.com; dr.dipumoni@; drmohsinali@; nazrulic@; jnrsr53@
> > Cc: shuprava@; nazrulic@; guhasb@; abid.bahar@; faruquealamgir@; chottala@yahoogroups.com; dr.dipumoni@; drmohsinali@; srbanunz@; manik195709@; captchowdhury@; kamalctgu@; abuilla@; abman1971@; ahkhokon@; akhtarudduza@; alihabib23@; anjbose@; arafat@; arafat@; arafat80@; awamileague@yahoogroups.com; boseasoke@; chowdhuryk@; curzon70@; dasguptaajoy@; gopalsengupta@; info@; jahir-7579@; jalalabir@; kaium91@; kamrul_k@; kamrulk@; khabor@yahoogroups.com; khondkar.saleque@; m.harun@; malam@; manik061624@; milton.hasnat@; mlmandal1@; mollaltf@; mostofa@; mozammelbabu@;
> > nickson@; nurannabi@; palak.newage@; poplu@; poriprekkhit@; sabbir.rahman@; salim-hazari@; salimhazari@; smrezaulk@; suvassingho@; swadeshroy@; syed.aslam3@; think_tank_habib@; uttam68bd@; veirsmill@; victory1971@; yeamin.anis.email@; yeamin24@
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 5:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Democratic Rights & Democracy
> >
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> > Mr. Turkman,
> > â"¬Ð°
> > Did you know how Hasina behaved while she was in opposition ?
> > Did she followed the rule of Democracy?
> > Why just blaming current opposition?
> > Who called most hortals in Bangladesh's historuy?
> > Who called to attack her folwers with Logi Beitha as wellas killed several opponents of her party ?
> > Donot compare the rules of democratic behavior of the western nation, we live in Bangladesh and our Democracy
> > is still infant, it needs maturity. Probably weâ"¬Ð°may not â"¬Ð°see real democracy in Bangladesh as long as arrogant
> > Dictator Hasina is alive and active in politics. We have to wait until she leaves politics in Bangladesh by the democracy loving
> > people of Bangladesh.
> > Sooner that happens is good for democracy in bangladesh.
> > Bangladesh currently running one woman show under Hasina misrule in the name of so called
> > Democratic rule. Nation is unfortunate to have a leader like Hasina.
> > Definiterly Hasina's bad days are comig like Joar Bhata. This Joar will end soon like all dictators.
> > â"¬Ð°
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: S Turkman <turkman@>
> > To: mohiuddin@
> > Cc: shuprava@, nazrulic@, guhasb@, â"¬Ð°abid.bahar@, faruquealamgir@, chottala@yahoogroups.com, â"¬Ð°dr.dipumoni@, drmohsinali@, srbanunz@, â"¬Ð°manik195709@, captchowdhury@, kamalctgu@, â"¬Ð°abuilla@, abman1971@, ahkhokon@, â"¬Ð°akhtarudduza@, alihabib23@, anjbose@, â"¬Ð°arafat@, arafat@, arafat80@, â"¬Ð°awamileague@yahoogroups.com, boseasoke@, chowdhuryk@, â"¬Ð°curzon70@, dasguptaajoy@, gopalsengupta@, â"¬Ð°info@, jahir-7579@, jalalabir@, â"¬Ð°kaium91@, kamrul_k@, kamrulk@, â"¬Ð°khabor@yahoogroups.com, khondkar.saleque@, m.harun@, â"¬Ð°malam@, manik061624@, milton.hasnat@, â"¬Ð°mlmandal1@, mollaltf@, mostofa@,
> > â"¬Ð°mozammelbabu@, nickson@, nurannabi@, â"¬Ð°palak.newage@, poplu@, poriprekkhit@, â"¬Ð°sabbir.rahman@, salim-hazari@, salimhazari@, â"¬Ð°smrezaulk@, suvassingho@, swadeshroy@, â"¬Ð°syed.aslam3@, think_tank_habib@, uttam68bd@, â"¬Ð°veirsmill@, victory1971@, yeamin.anis.email@, â"¬Ð°yeamin24@
> > Subject: [chottala.com] Democratic Rights & Democracy
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> > Peaceful Demonstrations are a part of 'Democracy' but used by Criminals to 'overthrow' a 'Democratically Elected Government', they are 'Treason'. There are Rules that Demonstrators have to follow.
> > .
> > 1.â"¬Ð° In Western Democracies, you need a Permit to demonstrate. Do Demonstrators apply for a Permit, mentioning day, time and announce their Route ahead of time in B.D.?
> > 2. Even Demonstrators with Permit, if not following the guidelines or vandalizing or looting face Police force in all Western Democracies so, what's new in B.D. and what's wrong with Police that faces unruly crazy Demonstrations?
> > 3, Purpose of Demonstrations in the West is not outright overthrow of Elected Government in a Democracy and Mob Raj that B.D. Demonstrators want. In the West they want new Elections to change, what they do not like, not overthrow of Government through Army, like Demonstrators in B.D. want.
> > .
> > Opposition Political Parties of B.D. should let the Elected Party finish its term but they have right to demonstrate peacefully propagating their cause instead of making their crazy poor or rented followers get beat up by Police and then trying to get Sympathy Votes in next Elections. Wrong use of Democratic Rights by Ruling Party or Opposition does not create a good Democracy. It creates a Mob Raj. â"¬Ð°
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@>
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Turkman,
> > How do youâ"¬Ð°â"¬Ð°think that all demionstrators in Bangladeshâ"¬Ð° are criminal ?
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: S Turkman <turkman@>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh sure because Police in USA run by an Anti USA Moslim Socialist according to some Americans has been 'suppressing' Criminals by arresting them using Weapons, those Criminals 'should have the same right to defend themselves. After all all lives are precious".
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@>
> >
> >
> > If RAW agents and Awami cadres take up arms to suppress opposition, opposition activists â"¬Ð°should have the same right to defend themselves.After all all lives are precious.
> > who wants to die without resisting ?
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: nickson barua <shuprava@>
> >
> >
> > I am against "Goom" whichâ"¬Ð°was introduced through killing Bangabondhu. In the name of Iliyasâ"¬Ð°how many death body you (BNP) need to create an issue against government??????????????
> > One day you have to answer for it to the nation &â"¬Ð°to those victim families. â"¬Ð°
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> > ________________________________
> > From: mohiuddin@
> >
> >
> > â"¬Ð°
> > Now That Awami Armed cadres joined the brutal Polie/RAB force, is it necessary for the people toâ"¬Ð°resist the brtual regime with all available means ?â"¬Ð°
> > The brutal Hasina regime killing opposition activists with all state power.
> > How long opposition activists can resist the brutal government forces (actively joined by ruling party's armed cadres) peacefully â"¬Ð°?
> > RAW agents â"¬Ð°may have infiltrated the government forces.
> > How much blood Hasina needs to stay in power ?
> > â"¬Ð°
> > â"¬Ð°
> > â"¬Ð°
> > рж╕ржâ"�ржâ–"рзЗржЯрзЗржâ–` ржмржâ"�рж╢рзÐ�ржмржирж╛ржерзЗ ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рждрзЗ ржиржâ"�рж╣ржд рзи
> > ________________________________
> >
> > рж╕рж╛ржмрзÐ�ржмржâ"�ржâ–` ржЖрж╣ржоржж, рж╕рзÐ�ржЯрж╛ржл ржХржâ–`рзЗрж╕ржкржирзÐ�ржбрзЗржирзÐ�ржЯ
> > ржмрж╛ржÐ'ржâ–"рж╛ржиржâ"�ржЙржЬржЯрзЛржпржâ•�рзЗржирзÐ�ржЯржâ"�ржлрзЛржâ–`.ржХржо
> >
> > ржЫржмржâ"�: ржмрж╛ржÐ'ржâ–"рж╛ржиржâ"�ржЙржЬржЯрзЛржпржâ•�рзЗржирзÐ�ржЯржâ"�ржлрзЛржâ–`.ржХржо
> > ржмржâ"�рж╢рзÐ�ржмржирж╛рже (рж╕ржâ"�ржâ–"рзЗржЯ) ржерзЗржХрзЗ: ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢-ржЬржирждрж╛ рж╕ржÐ'ржШржâ–`рзÐ�рж╖рзЗржâ–` ржкржâ–` ржЗржâ–"ржâ"�ржпржâ•�рж╛рж╕ ржЖржâ–"рзÐ�ржâ–` ржЬржирзÐ�ржорж╕рзÐ�ржерж╛ржи рж╕ржâ"�ржâ–"рзЗржЯрзЗржâ–` ржмржâ"�рж╢рзÐ�ржмржирж╛рже ржмрж╛ржЬрж╛ржâ–`рзЗржâ–` ржХржпржâ•�рзЗржХ ржмржâ–`рзÐ�ржЧ ржХржâ"�ржâ–"рзЛржоржâ"�ржЯрж╛ржâ–` ржПржâ–"рж╛ржХрж╛ржпржâ•� ржПржЦржи ржХрзЗржмржâ–" ржпрждрзÐ�ржâ–`рждрждрзÐ�ржâ–` ржЫржбржâ•�рж╛ржирзЛ ржЗржЯ-ржкрж╛ржЯржХрзЗржâ–", ржâ–`рж╛рж╕рзÐ�рждрж╛ржпржâ•� ржЖржЧрзÐ`ржирзЗржâ–`
> ржЪржâ"�рж╣рзÐ�ржиред ржЬржиржорж╛ржиржмрж╢рзÐ'ржирзÐ�ржп рж╣ржпржâ•�рзЗ ржкржбржâ•�рж╛ ржкрзÐ`ржâ–`рзЛ ржПржâ–"рж╛ржХрж╛рждрзЗржЗ ржержоржержорзЗ ржкржâ–`ржâ"�рж╕рзÐ�ржержâ"�рждржâ"� ржмржâ"�ржâ–`рж╛ржЬ ржХржâ–`ржЫрзЗред
> > рж╕рзЛржпржâ•�рж╛ ржжрзÐ`Ñ‚Ð�ЩржШржгрзÐ�ржЯрж╛ржмрзÐ�ржпрж╛ржкрзÐ� ржП рж╕ржÐ'ржШржâ–`рзÐ�рж╖рзЗ ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�ржмржâ"�ржжрзÐ�ржз рж╣ржпржâ•�рзЗ ржоржирзЛржпржâ•�рж╛ржâ–` рж╣рзЛрж╕рзЗржи (рзйрзй) ржирж╛ржорзЗ ржПржХ ржмржâ"�ржПржиржкржâ"� рж╕ржоржâ–`рзÐ�ржержХрж╕рж╣ ржжрзÐ`Ñ‚Ð�ЩржЬржирзЗржâ–` ржорзÐ"рждрзÐ�ржпрзÐ` рж╣ржпржâ•�рзЗржЫрзЗред ржиржâ"�рж╣ржд ржоржирзЛржпржâ•�рж╛ржâ–` ржмржâ"�рж╢рзÐ�ржмржирж╛ржерзЗржâ–` ржâ–"рж╛ржЯржиржЧржâ–` ржЧрзÐ�ржâ–`рж╛ржорзЗржâ–` ржЖржмрзÐ�ржмрж╛рж╕ ржЖржâ–"рзÐ�ржâ–` ржЫрзЗржâ–"рзЗред
> ржЕржкржâ–`ржЬржирзЗржâ–` ржирж╛ржо рж"рж╕ржорж╛ржи ржЖржâ–"рзÐ�ред
> > рждржмрзЗ ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"� ржЪрж╛ржâ–"рж╛ржирзЛржâ–` ржЕржнржâ"�ржпрзЛржЧ ржЕрж╕рзÐ�ржмрзÐ�ржХрж╛ржâ–` ржХржâ–`рзЗ ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢рзЗржâ–` ржкржХрзÐ�рж╖ ржерзЗржХрзЗ ржмржâ–"рж╛ рж╣ржпржâ•�рзЗржЫрзЗ, ржмржâ"�ржХрзÐ�рж╖рзÐ`ржмрзÐ�ржз ржЬржирждрж╛ржХрзЗ ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"� ржХржâ–`рж╛ржâ–` ржХрзЛржи ржиржâ"�ржâ–`рзÐ�ржжрзЗрж╢ ржЫржâ"�ржâ–"рзЛ ржирж╛ ржЬрзЗржâ–"рж╛ ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢рзЗржâ–`ред ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢ ржХрзЗржмржâ–" ржЬржирждрж╛ржХрзЗ рж╕рж╛ржоржâ–"рж╛рждрзЗ ржЯржâ"�ржпржâ•�рж╛ржâ–`рж╢рзЗржâ–" рж" ржлрж╛ржÐ`ржХрж╛
> ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"� ржЫрзÐ`ржÐ`ржбржâ•�рзЗржЫрзЗ ржорж╛рждрзÐ�ржâ–`ред
> > ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢рзЗржâ–` ржП ржмржХрзÐ�рждржмрзÐ�ржпрзЗржâ–` ржкржâ–` ржжрзЗрж╢ржâ"� ржЕрж╕рзÐ�рждрзÐ�ржâ–` рж╣рж╛рждрзЗ ржкрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рж╢рзЗржâ–` рж╕ржЩрзÐ�ржЧрзЗ ржЕрзÐ�ржпрж╛ржХрж╢ржирзЗ ржирж╛ржорж╛ ржЫрж╛рждрзÐ�ржâ–`ржâ–"рзÐ�ржЧ рж" ржпрзÐ`ржмржâ–"рзÐ�ржЧ ржХрзÐ�ржпрж╛ржбрж╛ржâ–`ржжрзЗржâ–` ржЧрзÐ`ржâ–"ржâ"�рждрзЗржЗ рждрж╛ржжрзЗржâ–` ржорзÐ"рждрзÐ�ржпрзÐ` рж╣ржпржâ•�рзЗржЫрзЗ ржмржâ–"рзЗ ржзрж╛ржâ–`ржгрж╛ ржХржâ–`рж╛ рж╣ржЪрзÐ�ржЫрзЗред
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Re: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela



Guess what I heard the same STORY...Did not know it involved SATBARIA. Just co-incidence.
In reference to my previous comment of KARNA of MAHABHARAT..
I think the song

OH POLASH OH SHIMUL AMER EYE GHOOM KENO BHANGALEY ment for RAVANA
KENOY JAMINI NA JETEY JAGALEY NA...was meant for my grand fathers older bother...

Debasish Barua


From: Moe Faroqui <mhfofbengle@hotmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela

 
As I heard from our seniors (Chacha, Jettas, Dhadas, Dadies  etc of village Satbaria, Chandanish) that once upon a time a beautiful hill tract girl was bathing/swimming in the river and lost her ear rings. She never recovered the ring, and was crying. Villagers came out and dived under water but failed to recover. Ear ring was washed away along with river current. Villagers decided to comport her, naming the river unanimously  as "Karna-Phuli"  ie, 'Kanir Phul' snatcher river.
Thanks to all,
Moe Faroqi
Jacksonville, Florida 

 
 
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
From: gorba196138@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:09:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela

 
Now that we know in details of JABBAR BOLI KHELA...I think BOLI also means the ritaul that existed such as BOLI'r PATHA and etc..
 
Even at that I wonder how they came about the name of river KARNAPHULI..is their any docummentary evidence of finding any one really floating in the river..as hint is KARNA of MAHABHARAT..
 
I wonder what else is GOING ON IN CHITTAGONG...
 
Political Meeting...
Chiittagong Foot Legaue who is winning who is loosing etc..
 

From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:45 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela

 
Link to my feature on Jabbarer Bolikhela of Chittagong published in the Starcampus in 2008.

http://www.thedailystar.net/campus/2008/05/01/feature_bolikhela.htm

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[chottala.com] Chechen women in mortal fear as President Kadyrov backs honor killings

Yeah, yeah. Honor Killing is Real Islam of ours now. Just 14 out of 45 countries, which are either crazy former Soviet 'states became countries' or Non Arabic speaking Black African countries, that do not know Islam enough have more Female than Male Population.
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Allah creates 106 to 108 Females on every 100 Males in Human Specie but we have to keep killing them so, none of Moslim Countries in world has 106 to 100 Male Population.
Besides Moslim Countries and crazy Non Moslim countries Like India, Nepal, Bhutan and China, its hard to find countries in rest of 158 countries of this world, where Female Population is less than Male Population.
In China, its because ordinary people are not allowed to have more than one child so, everybody kills his Daughter as soon as she is born.
In Russia and some other former Communist Countries since they do not hate their Daughters and Males have been emigrating out to other countries, ratios are higher than 110 and up to 117 Females to 100 Males.
In USA, where more than 2 million new Male Emigrants are entering legally or illegally every year, Female Population is still 103 to 100 Males and same is the story of other rich European Countries.
Savagery JinDaabaaD ...!
Islam JinDaabaaD ...!
Allaho Okbor ...!
Kill, kill, kill your Daughters and Wives Savages ...!
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> Chechen women in mortal fear as President Kadyrov backs honor killings ACHXOY-MARTAN, Chechnya &mdash; Chechnya's government is openly approving of families that kill female relatives who violate their sense of honor, as this Russian republic embraces a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam after decades of religious suppression under Soviet rule.In the past five years, the bodies of dozens of young Chechen women have been found dumped in woods, abandoned in alleys and left along roads in the capital, Grozny, and neighboring villages.Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov publicly announced that the dead women had &ldquo;loose morals&rdquo; and were rightfully shot by male relatives. He went on to describe women as the property of their husbands, and said their main role is to bear children.&ldquo;If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them should be killed,&rdquo; said Mr. Kadyrov, who often has stated his goal of making Chechnya &ldquo;more Islamic than the Islamists.&rdquo;In today&rsquo;s Chechnya, alcohol is all but banned, Islamic dress codes are enforced and polygamous marriages are supported by the government.Some observers say Mr. Kadyrov&rsquo;s attempt to impose Islamic law violates the Russian Constitution, which guarantees equal rights for women and a separation of church and state.&ldquo;We are a traditional, conservative society, but the government has gone overboard,&rdquo; said Lipkhan Bazaeva, head of the Women's Dignity Center, a nongovernmental organization promoting women&rsquo;s rights in Grozny. &ldquo;They are declaring unacceptable limits on women &mdash; as an individual, she has no rights even if her husband beats her, despite Russian laws.&rdquo;Though observers agree that honor killings are on the rise in Chechnya, the issue remains largely taboo among locals &mdash; making official statistics hard to come by.&ldquo;You hear about these cases almost every day,&rdquo; said a local human rights defender, who asked that her name not be used out of fear for her safety. &ldquo;It is hard for me to investigate this topic, yet I worked on it with [human rights activist] Natasha [Estemirova] for a while. But, I can&rsquo;t anymore. I am too scared now. I&rsquo;ve almost given up, really.&rdquo;Estemirova, who angered Chechen authorities with reports of torture, abductions and extrajudicial killings, was found in the woods in 2009 in the neighboring region of Ingushetia with gunshot wounds to the head and chest. Her killer or killers have not been found.Few dare to openly challenge Mr. Kadyrov&rsquo;s rule. But activists say some young Muslim women do so surreptitiously, placing themselves in a constant tug of war between two value systems.Milana, a ninth-grader in Grozny, wears thick eyeliner, dons tight miniskirts, smokes cigarettes and dates boys: all things a proper Muslim girl is forbidden to do in Chechnya.She said she has heard it from her father countless times: A Chechen girl who loses her virginity before marriage is a prostitute, and Allah will punish her.&ldquo;If only my parents knew some of the things I did,&rdquo; she said with a giggle. &ldquo;My parents are too strict with me, but it is like that here.&rdquo;Analysts say dating can be an escape for teenagers such as Milana who often live double lives.&ldquo;It is a great temptation to break from tradition when they are away from their family, said Ms. Bazaeva. &ldquo;They have a good time, but it is not without consequences, not in Chechnya.&rdquo;In this small Chechen village, residents talk about the teenage girl who was killed in early February after she spent a night at her boyfriend&rsquo;s house.The 16-year-old&rsquo;s body was wrapped in a traditional rug and returned to her mother&rsquo;s house. Her relatives are suspected of killing her in the name of family honor.To escape the strict mores, some of the young opt for early marriage, which they view as the gateway to independence, sexual activity and societal respect. That goes for young Chechen men, also.Abu-Khadzh Idrisov, 20, married in his teens to simply experiment, he said. His first marriage at age 14 lasted barely a year. He married a second time at 18. He spotted his future wife at a park in Grozny and, with the help of his friends, kidnapped her.&ldquo;When I married her, I honestly knew only two things: her name and the school she studied at. We talked together once,&rdquo; he recalled. &ldquo;But we have traditions and extremely strict rules in Chechnya, and you can&rsquo;t just ignore them. I carry my family&rsquo;s name, and if I tarnish it, I will have problems.&rdquo;
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