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Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Re: [chottala.com] FW: Secularism in India



It can be not be said that India is a pure secular country
The causes are  

I)                     after breaking Babri Musjid 

ii)                   After burning alive Muslim people

iii)                  After burning alive Christ people

iv)                  After burning alive horizons & untouchable people

There  were not taken any lawful action against those uncivilized breakers  & terrible human killers who are now such as Norendra Modi  Chief Minister of Gujrat Lal Krishna Advani the opposition leader & law maker of the  Indian National Assembly either they are in power of Indian Government or they are in Indian national assembly opposition leader.  Both are same.
Most of the people especially Muslims Christ & horizons in
India are the poorest people in the world.

1)       They are not getting equal lawful justice

2)       They have no equal human right

3)       They are not getting equal. Human behaviors from the Government Administration.

4)       They are considered as either minority class people or treated as lower class people. & hated as untouchable people.

How can you say India is a secular country?
But
India is 
It can be not be said that India is a pure secular country
The causes are  

I)                     after breaking Babri Musjid 

ii)                   After burning alive Muslim people

iii)                  After burning alive Christ people

iv)                  After burning alive horizons & untouchable people

There  were not taken any lawful action against those uncivilized breakers  & terrible human killers who are now such as Norendra Modi  Chief Minister of Gujrat Lal Krishna Advani the opposition leader & law maker of the  Indian National Assembly either they are in power of Indian Government or they are in Indian national assembly opposition leader.  Both are same.
Most of the people especially Muslims Christ & horizons in
India are the poorest people in the world.

1)       They are not getting equal lawful justice

2)       They have no equal human right

3)       They are not getting equal. Human behaviors from the Government Administration.

4)       They are considered as either minority class people or treated as lower class people. & hated as untouchable people.

How can you say India is secular country?
But
India is a world top communal country.

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] FW: Secularism in India
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 10:15 AM

 
What Mr. Dowllah forwarded is out and out narrow  & henious form of 
hindu communalism which is a phenomenon more appropriately known
as HINDUTVA ....There is no denying of the fact that menacing rise of
Hindutva fascist forces is undermining the relatively weak but sane secular
forces in Indian societry. The hindutva thrives on political opportunism,
 & communalism vis-à-vis social backwardness that is very much prevalent
in India.....
 
India is a land of 138,188,240 Muslims (13.4 % of it's total population according
to 2001 census] and majority of them are proud of being Indian citizens and
practice Islam freely without intimidation and live in a communally harmonious
atmosphere.. Free religious conversion from Hinduism to Islam is not very
uncommon in India.[the reverse is unthinkable in Pakistan or Bangladesh]
 
[ 15 People Convert to Islam in Mumbai *NEW*
Hindu Sister Accept Islam Live at Urdu Peace Conference By Zakir Naik
Listen to Dr. Zakir Naik's speech emphasizing Indian constitution very carefully
 
Each and every nation in the world has it's good, bad and ugly.
The rise of hundutva refects the menifestation of the UGLY side of
Indian society. The secular voices in India is fighting HINDUTVA menace
in every possible way ...... 
 
Mixing up Hundutva with secularism actually helps Hindutva and other
communal forces in South Asia.
 
FYI,  
The word 'secular' continues to be misrepresented by many  people in today's
Bangladesh. [see YouTube video:
বাংলাদেশ SECULARISM: Allama Sayeedi
]
 
It is wrongly assumed by many that 'SECULAR' is opposite of
'RELIGIOUS'. However, if anything, the opposite of  SECULAR is COMMUNAL,
while the opposite of the word RELIGIOUS is ATHEIST. The word SECULARISM
is not synonymous with ATHEISM. 
 
Above all, the  HINDUTVA IS COMMUNALISM NOT SECULARISM.
 
 
Syed Aslam
 
Note:
 
Muslims constitute just 13.4% of India's population. All of them, except a tiny minirity of 2 percent,
are proud of being an Indian. These truths and much more come to fore in the CNN-IBN-Hindustan Times
State of the Nation survey, conducted by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies.
 
Muslims and commitment to Democracy
Against popular belief, all but two per cent of Muslims are actually ‘proud’ of being an Indian.
Hindu-Muslim relations in last 3-4 years
Only 13% Muslims feel that the Hindu-Muslim rift cannot be bridged while about the same number feel that it made no difference in the first place.

Source:

 
On 9/1/09, <> wrote:

Dear all chottala readers,
Please look at the so called secularism in India. Burning of Muslims' Holy Quran, sometimes Christians’ Bible and sometimes Buddhists’ Holy book which is the common and regular phenomenon in India, should not be regarded as secularism. Killing of Buddhists in millions in the past by Raja Sankar Acherjee to convert them forcefully into hinduism is a well known history of the past. Population wise and religion wise Muslims are the third largest population in the world after 1st Christians’ and 2nd Buddhism. Hinduism is limited in India and Nepal only, with worshipper of multiple god and goddess mostly animals starting from
monkey upto donkey. The most peculiar thing in their religion is to purify their house with cow dung and spreading cows’ urine in their houses. Even some of them used to drink cow's urine to feel some peace and mental happiness in their soul. Whatever might be, it is their own faith and believe. But why to attack others religious sentiments by destruction of Mosques (like Historic Babri Mosque), Christian Church, Buddhist Temple, killing and burnung alive of thiusands of innocent Muslims by the instigation of their chief minister fanatics Norendra Singh Modi in Guzrat, burning of others Holy Book like our Holy Quran and so on. Our Muslims never did this following the teachings of our Prophet Muhammed Sallalahu Alaihe Wasallam (PBUH), and according to the teachings of our Holy Quran.

Dowllah.

 

 

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Subject: Activities of Dandi Potash in India
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:30:02 +0600

 
 
 
 
 
       Nauzubillahe Minzalek
 
                
           HINDUS BURNING THE HOLY QURAN 
Please forward this to as many people as you can in different countries so that it may reaches the media which will for sure- cover it as well as it deserves, and the Muslims all over the world may know & do something about this.
This is an exclusive picture and it's the only proof of the unforgivable sin done by the fanatics Hindus with a  Pagriwala Mouchewala Sikh Sardarji standing and looking from behind most probably as admirer and supporter.
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           What a nice Secularism in India.
 
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[chottala.com] Sudanese 'indecent' female journalist Lubna Hussein freed unexpectedly ......



 Wednesday, September 09, 2009 Edition.

Sudanese 'indecent' female journalist freed unexpectedly

 
Wednesday 9 September 2009 07:01.

 

September 8, 2009 (KHARTOUM) — The Sudanese female journalist jailed yesterday after being convicted of indecent dressing was released well before her one month jail sentence expired.

The judge yesterday ordered Lubna Hussein to pay a fine of 500 pounds ($200) or else be jailed for 30 days.

The ex-employee at the United Nations Mission Sudan (UNMIS) refused to pay the fine saying it is an admittance of guilt adding that she also wants to use the opportunity to explore conditions in the women prison.

Her choice to be imprisoned reflected her defiant attitude since she was arrested by Public Order Police (POP) last July, along with a dozen other girls and charged with dressing inappropriately.

Hussein with a couple of the detainees refused to concede to the charges and asked for a full blown trial with the presence of her attorney.

She also resigned from her post at the UNMIS to waive her immunity bestowed upon employees of the world body. However, the judge postponed the hearing until yesterday until an opinion on her immunity is received from the Sudanese foreign ministry.

Witnesses at the trial yesterday said that the judge appeared to be in a rush to conclude the hearing and issue a ruling.

She proceeded to the women's prison in Omdurman yesterday after refusing to pay the fine.

However, today the head of the journalist union Mohyideen Titawi announced that they have paid the fine and received a judge order to release Hussein.

The journalist expressed dissatisfaction at the move by the union saying she did not ask for it and that she instructed her friends and family not to pay it.

Titawi said that the union paid the fine because it had a responsibility to "protect journalists when they are in prison".

"No journalist should be jailed under any circumstances….the case is now over" he said.

Many journalists and observers told Sudan Tribune from Khartoum that they believe that Titawi was nudged by the government into pay the fine to avoid escalation of the international public relations nightmare created by the case.

"She was a journalist when she was arrested for indecency. Where was Titawi and his union? Did he just now discover that she is a journalist and intervened on her behalf?" a journalist who asked not to be named told Sudan tribune.

"This is just a face saving move by the government and Titawi was its tool. They [government] don't want to appear like they lost the battle with Lubna. The fact of the matter that they lost miserably in this scandal," he added.

The Sudanese journalist Union is widely viewed as a pro-government body. The group was heavily criticized for failing to stand up to the government on press censorship.

The United Nations human rights office said Hussein's conviction violated international law.

"Lubna Hussein's case is in our view emblematic of a wider pattern of discrimination and application of discriminatory laws against women in Sudan," U.N. human rights spokesperson Rupert Colville told a news briefing in Geneva.

"No defense witnesses were heard. It is not clear there is a chance to appeal," he told Reuters.

The case of the Sudanese journalist is not uncommon but the latter has worked to make it public by printing invitations to her trials and showing pictures of how she was dressed when arrested by POP.

(ST)

 http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article32401

Sudanese woman jailed in trouser case freed

Reuters - ‎Sep 8, 2009‎
Lubna Hussein was convicted on indecency charges on Monday in a case that has attracted worldwide outcry, and was ordered to pay a fine or face a month in ...

Sudanese 'indecent' female journalist freed unexpectedly

Sudan Tribune - ‎6 hours ago‎
"Lubna Hussein's case is in our view emblematic of a wider pattern of discrimination and application of discriminatory laws against women in Sudan," UN ...

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Sudanese journalist and U.N. staffer Lubna Hussein, wearing the same trousers that had sparked her arrest, arrives at the court where she was convicted of violating the public indecency law by wearing trousers outdoors and fined US$ 200, in Khartoum, Sudan Monday, Sept. 7, 2009. Lubna Hussein was among 13 women arrested July 3 in a raid by the public order police after which ten of the women were fined and flogged two days later, but Hussein said Friday she would rather go to jail than pay any fine, out of protest at the nation's strict laws on women's dress. (AP Photo/Abd Raouf)

Lubna Hussein stands firm

Lubna Hussein, convicted in Sudan for wearing trousers, has refused to pay her fine. She'll now go to jail as a result

    Lubna Hussein is greeted by supporters outside the court in Khartoum

    Lubna Hussein is greeted by supporters outside the court in Khartoum. Photograph: Ashraf Shazly/AFP/Getty Images

    The scenes I saw outside the court which convicted Lubna Hussein were even more dramatic than those during the last quickly adjourned trial. Security forces and female protestors clashed again, but a third party introduced itself into the fray – Islamist men who proceeded to abuse the women and rip up their banners while the police joined in the name-calling. It seems the whole case has flushed out the nastier elements in Khartoum society as female supporters of Hussein were branded "prostitutes", that being the most polite word into which I can translate the insults.

    According to Najlaa Al Maahi, one of Hussein's legal team, with whom I spoke after the trial, the proceedings were hastily conducted and the defence was not allowed to make its case. The general sentiment was that the guilty verdict and the sentence, a fine of £130, had been decided in advance and the trial was merely a formality. The goal apparently was to tar Hussein as indecent but not resort to lashing. This would leave the case against her intact, but not enact a brutal punishment while the world watched. Government supporters were hailing her conviction as a victory while their opponents saw the fine as a climb-down from the initial penalty of flogging, one which Hussein would have endured had she not challenged those who detained her.

    The nominal fine and an admission of culpability – in effect a plea bargain – was rejected by Hussein for whatever residual admission of wrongdoing it suggested. The sentence for refusing to pay, a month's imprisonment, was threatened in order to put pressure on her to pay, but the judge may have underestimated her defiance. Sending her away for a month not only allows the court to flex the muscles it had been unable to flex through flogging, but also hide her away from scrutiny by the world's media, dampening any spirit of victory or jubilation.

    More disturbingly, the end of the case has flushed out hardline elements allied with the government who appear to be relishing the opportunity to villify the women who have been protesting. The irony is that on the way back from court I witnessed several women in trousers freely walking the streets of Khartoum proving that it was never about modesty but about Hussein's refusal to capitulate to the authorities' temperamental and arbitrary invocation of public order laws.

    The court may believe that it has struck a face-saving balance by refusing to rescind the charges against Hussein while also avoiding flogging her. However, her supporters are regrouping, an appeal is already being planned and the case had crystallised a hitherto unaddressed conflict over the public face of Khartoum. A regime keen to encourage foreign investment and prosperity after forging peace in the South has relaxed its grip over the city with sporadic reversions to its earlier, more Islamic incarnation. The aftermath of the case may determine whether this chaotic and inconsistent approach will be tolerated for much longer.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/sep/08/lubna-hussein-trousers-sudan

    Lubna Hussein stands firm

    guardian.co.uk - ‎2 hours ago‎
    Lubna Hussein, convicted in Sudan for wearing trousers, has refused to pay her fine. She'll now go to jail as a result The scenes I saw outside the court ...
     The Associated Press Video:&nbsp Sudan Journalist Fined, Wore Pants in Public The Associated Press

     

     




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    [chottala.com] Freedom for all



    Dear Lost Dream,

    Yes I am a doctor(physician) for the last 43 years passing my retired life by reading different news and views and sometimes going through the chottala groups and writing sometimes to put my views by writing only to pass my time. Though it is not possible to discover about your identity by your name as Lost Dream whether Muslim or Hindu. If you are a Muslim I must appreciate you by seeing your broad mindedness. If you are a Hindu still I appreciate you as you have every right to object my overkilled types of writing. By seeing burning of our Holy Quran I was abit emotional and sentimental for which I wrote and place my writings like that.

    To spread peace, harmony and love to live together in peace and justice is highly appreciated and recommended to introduce "Freedom for all" which should be a common slogan for all and that should not be by talkings only but should be practically implemented. Best regards.

    Dowllah. 



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