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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

[chottala.com] Any one in Sydney/Brisbane Australia

Hello friends,

You may know me or not. Some times, I contribute (even moderation with my friend Miru) to Chottala but not very much active for last few months. but try to read most your mails.

Just like to know if any of you live in Sydney or Brisbane, Australia. I will be there from 23 September till 29 September to attend a conference. If any of you can make up time, we can have a chat/outing or site seeing etc.

Thanks

 

Nader Chowdhury


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[chottala.com] Wonder land

Dear chottala readers,
 
In what a wonderful land we are living. All those thieves of Bagdad from bigger one to smaller one were caught red handed. After proven guilty,  jail term (10 year to 20 year) were given to them.

 
Not even a year passed again all are going to be released on bail. Their chamcha are now eagerly awaiting to give them a reception with garlanding. 
 
Really we are a habitant of a wonderful land.
 
Doula,
Windsor, ON, Canada. 


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[chottala.com] Politics unto death

Vows Jalil after bail, 'resumes' charge of AL general secretary

Immediately after getting ad interim bail yesterday, Abdul Jalil resumed responsibility as Awami League (AL) General Secretary ending all speculations over his return to politics, and announced that he would continue to be in politics until the last day of his life.

He returned home on August 31 after prolonged treatment in Singapore since his release on parole on March 2.

Jalil formally starts his activities as party general secretary this morning after placing wreaths at the portrait of father of the nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on Road-32 at Dhanmondi in the capital.

"I have been involved in politics for long 45 years and I will continue to be so for people's welfare as long as I am alive," Jalil said responding to a query about his earlier statement on quitting politics.

Jalil's announcement to resume as the party general secretary has meanwhile evoked mixed reactions within the AL.

Even party President Sheikh Hasina called acting party chief Zillur Rahman over phone and wanted to know under which grounds Jalil took the charge suddenly.

"She [Hasina] phoned me and wanted to know how he [Jalil] took charge," Zillur told The Daily Star last night.

Sources said Hasina had advised Jalil a couple of days ago to take rest rather than taking charge as the party's general secretary. She said acting General Secretary Syed Ashraful Islam would continue his job.

Speculations about his return to politics grew following his 'mercy petition' to the caretaker government on July 5 last year seeking release, and stating that he had decided to retire from politics, if necessary. In the petition, he also blasted AL President Sheikh Hasina for her 'dictatorial leadership'.

Asked about the petition sent to the government through his wife Rehana Jalil, the AL leader said it would not be proper to create 'further confusion' about it. "I don't know from where the letter (petition) came. But I did not send any letter stating that I'll quit politics, and my wife also did not," he told a press briefing at the Supreme Court Bar Association soon after getting bail.

He however said he had sent a letter to the government for his release and treatment.

But on July 15 last year, in an interview with a private television channel Jalil said he himself wrote a letter to the chief adviser about quitting politics and appealed for his release. Later, he said he might join politics if he is released and recovers from illness.

He also questioned yesterday under which law the media was allowed to interview him while in detention.

Jalil alleged that he was arrested and charged only for harassment. He said his leader [Hasina] had told him that everything was being done with ill motive.

The AL leader mentioned that as per the party constitution, he is supposed to resume activities as general secretary.

"As I was released on parole for treatment on condition that I will not engage in politics or make any political speech while on parole, I did not want to violate it since I am respectful to the rule of law. I was just waiting for bail," he said.

"I asked my party colleague Syed Ashraful Islam (acting general secretary) to continue doing my job. Since my parole was supposed to end today (yesterday), I appealed to the High Court for bail and got bail until October 20," Jalil said. "As a bailed person, I now announce my resumption of duties as Awami League general secretary."

He blamed the media for creating confusion in the past over his party responsibility. "But now there is no scope to create further confusion over the matter," he said.

Replying to another query, Jalil said the AL had supported the caretaker government's anti-corruption drive but it was later conducted on political grounds. "It is not proper to harass people in the name of anti-corruption drive."

JALIL-ZILLUR MEETING
After the press briefing, Jalil rushed to AL acting President Zillur Rahman's Gulshan residence. Zillur received him cordially and expressed satisfaction that he got bail from the High Court.

"We have repeatedly said there is no allegation against him [Jalil]. He was charged and arrested on false and fabricated allegation. We had said earlier that he would not go into hiding if he is set free," said Zillur.

Referring to BNP Chairperson Khaleda Zia's bail, the acting AL chief said they welcome it. But all must be equal before law, he said, adding the government has no right to keep many others detained after the release of Khaleda and her son Tarique Rahman.

Zillur said it now depends on Jalil when he will resume his activities as AL general secretary. But as per the party constitution, the responsibility went to him immediately after his return to the country, he added.

Jalil was arrested by the joint forces from his Mercantile Bank office in the capital on May 28 last year. As he fell sick after his arrest, he was taken to Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University Hospital. As his condition deteriorated , he was shifted to LabAid Cardiac Hospital.

Since his condition deteriorated further, he was set free on parole on March 2 for treatment abroad. The next day he went to Singapore and had treatment in Mount Elizabeth Hospital for about six months.
  http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=54266


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[chottala.com] Condoleezza Rice hosts Iftar for Muslim diplomats

Condoleezza Rice hosts Iftar for Muslim diplomats
 
Written by ANI   
Wednesday, 10 September 2008

Washington, Sept 10 (ANI): US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice hosted an Iftar party in the honour of diplomats, writers and artists from Muslim countries here on Monday night.

Members of the diplomatic community, including Pakistan's ambassador Husain Haqqani, Washington-based Pakistani journalists, members of the US Congress, representatives of American civil society, religious and academic communities attended the reception at the State Department, reported The News.

Speaking on the occasion, Rice said that people of all faiths appreciate Ramazan's spirit.

"More than one billion people find comfort and hope in Islam, and Ramazan inspires them to renew their faith through sacrifice and prayer, reflection and charity. People of all faiths can appreciate Ramazan's spirit, one of love for family, devotion to community, and gratitude toward God," The News quoted her as saying.

She added across America Muslim families were coming together each night of Ramazan to celebrate their devotion to Islam. The many faiths and traditions to which Americans belong enrich the nation and reflect what is best about America.

"For hundreds of years, people of all faiths and people of no faith at all have come to the US to live by these principles, and we have welcomed them. We welcome them still. Every individual who embraces the rights and responsibilities of citizenship makes America more American," she added. (ANI)

 
 
   
 
 
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[chottala.com] Subject: Little Johnny's at it again

Subject: Little Johnny's at it again

A teacher in Elmira, New York, who is a McCain supporter, asked her 4th
grade class, 'How many of you are McCain fans?' Not really knowing what
a McCain fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids
raised their hands, except for Little Johnny. The teacher asked Little
Johnny why he has decided to be different.
Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm not a McCain fan.' The teacher asked,
'Why aren't you a McCain fan?' Johnny said, 'Because I'm a Democrat.'The
teacher asked him why he's a Democrat. Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my
Mom's a Democrat and my Dad's a Democrat, so I'm a Democrat.' Annoyed by
this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad
was an idiot, what would that make you?' With a big smile, Little Johnny
replied, 'That would make me a McCain fan.'

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[chottala.com] Jess Ragaza: Draft Global Warming Millions March Speech, September 11, 2008, a Prepared Speech

Intentional duplicate. Please pass this message as quicly and widely as possible to your families, relatives, friends, associates and online groups.

 

Thank you.

 

 (Intro and ending - JR's "Oh What a Beautiful Mornin'")

 

Draft Global Warming Millions March to Congress

 

Speech on September 11, 2008

 

Honorable Al Gore. Senators and Congressmen. My countrymen.  Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Jess Ragaza. I am a writer whose book's web site http://livinggracefully.com/ is replete with my passionate essays and appeals about the Global Warming. I typically go around nondescript. But if you enter my name on any web browser at the space reserved for the URL , " J e s s  R a g a z a" you will immediately (i.e., within split second) get links to thousands of my writings. So yours truly is very well known in cyberspace.

 

Our premise:

 

 

1. Climate Crisis, which has been generally accepted by scientists the world over to result in massive extinctions of life on earth, has not been dealt with seriously by the U.S. Congress.

 

2. Therefore, we decide to have a groundswell of people from these United States, to march to Washington D.C. on Thursday, September 11, 2008.

 

3. We are part of a huge NEURAL SYSTEM.  Hence each of us, whether individuals or groups, is totally independent from the rest. As such the functions and objective of the system will continue whether or not portions of the system are present.

 

4. This is an absolutely peaceful march with various entertainers* roving around from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument to Congress.

 

5. We do not negotiate. We, the people, come from a position of strength. We have the power to remove them. We will have all of our banners and other means to communicate publicly and explicitly the words "Slow Down Global Warming Now!" This is for FOCUS. Many other rallies fail because many groups have their own agenda. To repeat - Let us stay focused and just say "Slow Down Global Warming Now!" Leave the negotiating to Congress among themselves during their normal deliberation.

 

6. We will have this encore massive serene assembly of people on Thursday, September 11, 2008. The previous one on September 11, 2004 has been extremely peaceful and quite enjoyable although a little bit warm and has resulted in the changeover of Congress to Democratic control. Only a few of us in the inner circle of cyberspace knew before and we all know now.

 

7. We will pass this message as widely and as expeditiously as possible by any means.

 

 

 

Our rationale:

 

  1. Letters to our Congressional representatives did not work.

 

  1. The meetups and supposedly lobbying did not work.

 

  1. The many online groups did not work.

 

  1. The DNC, the RNC and MoveOn and other political organizations did not seem to care much about it, or probably confused as to what to do!

 

  1. Million marches have worked successfully before. For instance click Reflections: 2008 and 2004 Millions March to Congress http://livinggracefully.com/Global_Warming/reflections.htm where I have written my vision and actually what happened in the extremely successful 2004 which we now know was responsible for the makeover of Congress to major Democratic controlled making Bush a lame duck. vis-à-vis my undoubted hope for 2008.

 

  1. This kind of phenomenon starts to pick up rather slowly then increases practically exponentially (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ExponentiallyIncreasingFunction.html), I should know being a mathematician.

 

  1. Our constitution's first amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmenti) guarantees us this right of free speech, especially in peaceful public assemblies.

 

  1. With electronic networking, one can reach millions in a matter of days.

 

  1. The media and the press (CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times among others) have been notified.

 

  1. Since practically all of those who would be fervent enough to attend are legitimate voters and because they consist of a huge sample size - statistically an exceedingly good sample of our voting population, our Congress people better listen and do something quick, else they will be out of the offices we trusted them for!

 

Our procedure:
1. Conceal all of your protest paraphernalia which are really nothing much than your shirts/dress, banners, etc. until the proper time around 1:30 P.M. today. Use GREEN because "It is associated with Growth and Life" I hope you brought your GREEN umbrellas, raincoats, ponchos, etc. in case it rains.

 

2. Advise all formally organized groups to cooperate to make this a huge success. Else, they may as well not participate. The least we need right now are formally organized groups that will only attract the Bushie's SS.

 

3.   We may be on national television as well since many of the larger ones have been notified. This is even better because our message and peaceful assembly will be instantaneously transmitted and reverberate not only here in the U.S., but most likely throughout the world. So again exercise discipline and restraint. You will be memorialized. You will be remembered. You will be admired. You will be honored

 

4.   Our civil disobedience will be peaceful and enjoyable, a simple stroll in the park with many families and their children. So advise everybody to be calm. We do not want the Bush' Gestapo to be on our backs.

 

5. At exactly 1:30 P.M., no more signals, let us all change to our GREEN colored clothing and/or put out our banners and other forms of protests.

 

 

Note: To enable us to have this massive assembly without a permit we should not show any sign of formal organization. As a matter of fact, we don't. We are all simply enjoying the park and the roving entertainers.

 

 

 

The word is FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS

 

only one objective:

 

"Save Mother Earth: Approve strong legislations to slow down the climate crisis"

 

 

 
Part of our humanitarian undertaking is to help the hurricane victims, such as Katrina. As a matter of fact many scientists agree that these devastations are manifestations of Global Warming.: 

Please Donate to Global Warming Millions March

(http://livinggracefully.com/please_donate_now.htm)

 

You may also trust your contributions directly with our Coordinators:

 

Welcome My Cousins and Other True Friends to Provide Us With Additional National Coordination

Welcome to my Family, Relatives, Friends and Compatriots

Welcome our New Strategic Fortification !

Welcome Our Additional National Coordinators

 

*          Also kindly give generously to our entertainers. Hopefully they will get sufficient enough to cover their expenses and share the extra with the Global Warming Millions March.
 

 

Here are some radically strong ideas we can bring to congress to pass:

 

1. Form an International Consortium to take over the European ITER program (a)  with the intent of accelerating the development of nuclear fusion (in contrast with "fission" with many of our nuclear power plants) reactor for power plants; with the first power plant targeted within nine years, i.e. 2016 at the latest not 2035 as per the current program's target (remember Dr. Hanson's warning in many of my current messages – we only have a decade!)

 (a) see Nuclear Fusion Research as shown on youtube   http://livinggracefully.com/Global_Warming/nuclear_fusion_research_as_shown.htm

 

2. Invest our social security in renewable, alternative energy industry. This sector consists of companies that are now engaged in the research, development and actual implementation of renewable, sustainable alternative energy (e.g., biomass, solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear (mining and processing U235 for our fission reactors), etc.). My well documented exceptional success in my investment undertaking proves that this is a very safe haven for retirement funds( b).

 (b) check for instance Special Alert February 6, 2008 Our no secret portfolio that is again up today simply ignores the market direction!  http://livinggracefully.com/Financial_Newsletter/special_alert_february_6_2008.htm

 

3. Mandate automakers to produce cars, vans and trucks with much higher mileage, the requirement for all cars in the order of at least 100 miles/gallon. This is feasible because some hybrid experimental technology has test cars that already exceed (c) this requirement.

(c) Auto X Prize announces the teams competing to build 100-mpg car http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/08/100-mpg-car.html

 

4. Require construction of new buildings( d) to get certification for heat and air-conditioning efficiency as well as use of renewable, alternative energy such as solar, wind, etc.

 

 

I am extremely hopeful about the positive outcome of this Millions March. As I have once written Humanity Will Survive Global Warming http://livinggracefully.com/Global_Warming/humanity_will_survive_global_warming.htm. Looking at your now from Lincoln Memorial to Washington Monument to Congress, I am more hopeful that our Millions March today will result in much stronger legislation to slow down Global Warming. Enjoy your day here in the center of our United States with your families, relatives, friends and associates. Please give generously to our roving musicians. Thank you very much for participating with us today. My name again is Jess Ragaza.

 

(d) My friend, gave us his insight in An Open Letter from a friend, Dr. Robert Sczech of the Rutgers University Newark Department of Mathematics (a true environmentalist in deed!) http://livinggracefully.com/Global_Warming/an_open_letter_from_a_friend.htm Dr. Steve Chu,1997 Nobel laureate Physics; Director, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory; UC Berkeley Professor of Physics and of Molecular and Cell Biology totally agrees, for example with the trading on carbon as a way to force a lifestyle change worldwide - click Radically Innovative Approaches to Solving the Climate Crisis http://livinggracefully.com/Global_Warming/radically_innovative_approaches.htm

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[chottala.com] American performer: Israeli security made me dance

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Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater dancer Abdur-Rahim Jackson is seen at the Israeli Opera in Tel Aviv, Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2008. A performer with the renowned Alvin Ailey dance troupe was ordered to perform steps for Israeli airport security officers to convince them of his identity, a spokesman for the company said Tuesday. Abdur-Rahim Jackson was singled out from other members of the black American dance ensemble when they arrived at Ben-Gurion International Airport on Sunday night at the start of a six-nation international tour, said publicist Shauli Baskin. (AP Photo/Moti Milrod)

American performer: Israeli security made me dance

By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press Writer Tue Sep 9, 3:28 PM ET

JERUSALEM - A performer with the famed Alvin Ailey dance troupe on Tuesday said he was twice forced to perform steps for Israeli airport security officers to prove his identity before he was permitted to enter the country.

Abdur-Rahim Jackson, an eight-year veteran of the dance ensemble, said he was singled out by Israel's renowned airport security because he has a Muslim name. He called the experience embarrassing and said at one point, one of the officers even suggested he change his name.

"To be greeted like this because of my name, it took me back a little bit," said Jackson, who is black.

Israel is the first stop on a six-nation tour celebrating the New York-based dance company's 50th anniversary. Earlier this year, Congress passed a resolution calling the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater a "vital American cultural ambassador to the world."

Jackson said he was pulled aside from other members of the troupe when they arrived at Israel's international airport on Sunday night. He said he was taken to a holding room, where he was asked about the origins of his name. When he explained he was part of the dance group, he was asked to perform.

"I stood up. I asked what type of dance?" he explained. "He said, "Just do anything.' I just moved around."

Minutes later, he said a female officer put him through a similar interrogation and asked him to dance again.

"The only time I'm really expected to dance is when I'm performing," he said.

Jackson said he received his name because his father was a convert to Islam. Jackson said he was not raised a Muslim, does not consider himself religious and is engaged to a Jewish woman in the troupe who has relatives in Israel.

Jackson said he did not plan to press the matter further, saying the numerous apologies he has received from American dignitaries and his Israeli hosts is "enough for me." The Israel Ports Authority said it had no comment because it did not receive a formal complaint.

The incident was reported in Israel's largest newspaper and on an Israeli television news and interview program. "The security guards should be sent home or (the airport) will become a mental asylum," said Motti Kirshenbaum, a veteran commentator and host of the Channel 10 TV program.

Israel is constantly on the alert for attack because of the Israel-Palestinian conflict and extremist Islamic rejection of the Jewish state's existence. Security is strict at all entry points and inside the country.

Israel is famous for the effectiveness of its airport security. But a key element in its security checks is ethnic profiling. The practice has been criticized by Israeli human rights campaigners as racist because it singles out Arabs for tougher treatment.

Such profiling is illegal in the United States, but Jackson said that the only place he has had the similarly humiliating experience of being forced to dance in the past was at a U.S. airport when he returned from a vacation in the Dominican Republic. He did not say when or where that took place.

Jackson said that since the Israeli airport incident, the reception in Israel has been "amazing."

"We're only here to bring positive light to our lives and the people here," he said, calling the group's multicultural appeal "an amazing bind you can't touch, you can only experience."
 

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American performer: Israeli security made me dance
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JERUSALEM (AP) — A performer with the famed Alvin Ailey dance troupe on Tuesday said he was twice forced to perform steps for Israeli airport security ...
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[chottala.com] How to cripple a commisson that government is forced to create?

How to cripple a commisson that government is forced to create?
The latest example of this ongoing practice is the appointment of secretary of National Human Rights Commission, even before deciding who the members of the commission will be! This disfunctional practice should stop.
 
 
We have seen this again and again.
 
People demand for news institutions like Anti-Corruption Commission, Telecom Commission, Energry Commission and many others. First response from the top burecrats is to suggest whoever in power is - it will create problem for the government or it is not necessary or we have some other department or bureau doing exactly the same thing or this would be waste of money or something similar.
 
In a nutshell, their policy is to stall the process or slow the process. 
 
But at some point, they can not carry on. Either from pressure from the civil soceity or pressure from the people or pressure from the development partners or a combination of all of them create a situation when the stupids in the helm actually gain some courage and tell their subbordinate bureacrats that its now time to create the regulatory body (e.g. ACC, BTRC, ERC, etc).
 
When they see no other way, the take all the necessary steps. But its not done yet. The real stalling process only starts.
 
Once every thing is ready on paper (at the policy level), they start the process of stalling in the operational level. They will not have any hiring policy, no organogram, no funding or some other similar procedural problems. With all these obstackles, they prevent the long - cherished body to function for several more years. This whole process starts with a single stroke.
 
They make constitutational body into a burecratic organization. The process starts with the appointment of a secretary even before deciding who the members of the body will be.
 
That person, someone from the actual bureacracy joins the body and set up the whole thing, hire some people (probably crooks). In other words, the job of this advance team is to make the initial setup in such a way - whoever comes in as a head or policy making members, they will be burdened with all the pre-set things.
 
Reading this, someone from the administration might argue that this allegation is really absurd. If there is no secretary and the official setup before, how come the members and chairman will start their job from the day one when they are selected. Sounds logical? You couldn't be more wrong!
 
The idea that everything must be setup before the head of the commission joins the body - this very idea is based on a wrong premise. These constitution commissions are not some bearucratic department or bureaus that you should setup using pre-set rules. These constituational bodies are born to tackle a specific problem that is created out of system bureacratic system.
 
We can define it differently.
 
If you accept that burecracy is necessary evil, then these commissions are aimed at to reduce those evils within the bureacracy. You can not expect to reduce those evils with the application of same kind of bureacracy.
 
So, what do we suggest. There is no general rule - that is the suggestion. You have to first hire a person whom you think is competent enough to be the chairman of the commission. Once you do that, leave the details to that person. If someone do not know how to do new things - he or she is not suitable for the job.
 
This approach is particualrly applicable for a commission which is created new - as it was the case for ACC, BTRC, ERC, etc. But none was initialized as they should have been. As a result they all lost first of several years of their lifetime and most of them are still carrying the scurs.
 
The newest chapter of the same storybook is unfolding as we speak. Yes, we are refering to the HR Commission.
 
Should we pain-stakingly watch the near death experience of this newest commission before that is again reconstituted in several years time before it can start again? This current government has already proven itself that they are also not any different as far as their dealings w.r.t. bureacracy is concerned. So, why should we expect a different result?
 
It will go through the same process, it seems. Read the following news "Dhaka, Sept 10 (bdnews24.com) – Humayun Khaled, a joint secretary at the education ministry, will be secretary to the National Human Rights Commission on deputation, the establishment ministry said Wednesday. The commission was set up on Sept 1 in compliance with the National Human Rights Commission Ordinance 2007. The government had earlier formed a six-member search committee to appoint the chairman and members for the commission."
 
Lifecycle has started, they appointed the secretary of the HR Commission. In three years time, Sultan Kalam or Dr. Kamal or Mrs. Anam or somebody similar from the civil soceity watch-dog will come to the press and tell us that the HR Commission is a bogus one, its disfunctional.
 
That is another problem with our soceity.
 
These so-called watch-dogs are actually retarded-watch-dogs or sleeping-watch-dogs. They do not have the ability to understand that something bad is going to happen, until something actually happens.
 
And probably that is why this cycle of mis-management is continuing. Because, burecrats are always dogs, they bark as long as they think they are safe. Tai na? Mr. current PSC Chairman?
 
(By the way, we do not have any personal issue with the chairman. We are only refering to his personal comment where he was talking that if a burecrat do not act by sensing the wind, they are sidelined. So, he acted accordingly. He was the cabinet secretary for Khaleda Zia government. Again, when another government came which sent Khaleda Zia to jail, that same government made him the head of a consitutional post! What an expert in sensing the air! Ei na hole, servant of the republic? This is an example which deserves a olimpic gold medal)
 
 
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[FutureOfBangladesh] Re: [ALOCHONA] Pakistan Army (Pvt) Ltd. - Businessmen at their ...

Dear Mr. Turkman,

 

Through the illogical, nonsense reply with incorrect information and facts, Sajjad has again strongly proved that he is a notorious liar as well as an illiterate!

 

There are hundreds of references on "unconditional surrender" of about 93,000 numbers of Pakistani on 16th December 1971 on the soil of Bangladesh, on the different news paper, books, web;

It was the first open surrender of a regular army and the second largest after World War II.

 

Brave freedom Fihgter Air Vice Marshals A.K. Khondoker, deputy chief of the Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971 war (he was then made Air Chief of Bangladesh), represented the Mukhti Bahini at the surrender ceremony at the Race Course (now Suhrawardi Uddyan) on the 16th Decemebr 1971, as Coln Osamni, Chief of the Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971, was not readily avalble and helicopter carrying him was shot & ambushed by Paki Army

 

The total number of uniformed personnel were about 80,000 (consist of Army & paramilitary, police) and about 12,000 were civilian. About 800 PAF and 1000 Pakistani Navy personnel also surrenderd. (Ref: The The Hamood-ur-Rahman Commission Report [1971] instituted by Pakistan Govt)

 

 

 

Even a Pakistani stamp was made by its Govt depicting the 90,000 POWs in Indian camps. This stamp was issued with the political aim of raising global awareness of the POW issue to help secure their release.
(PDF file is Attached)

 

Pakistan based author Tariq Ali writes, "Pakistan lost half its navy, a quarter of its airforce and a third of its army."

 

Still this Paki, we call them NaPaki (polluted, contaminated) liar denies and insists 65,000 number Paki troops (toatal) were in Bangladesh (the then East Pakistan), then how 90000 POW were ther?.

 

What a open lie!

 
Now if this liar denies, then what can we do?

 

So, any logical and rational person should not waste their time and merit by responding such garbage of a proven & traditional liar!

 

So, leave that proven & traditional liar. Unfortunately most of the NaPaki are same; and concentrate on other truth and facts!
 

Joy Bangla

 

 

(Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any thing during 1971 war!)

 
Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
NEW ZEALAND.

Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274  500 277 (mobile)
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On 9/10/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Mr. Bhuiyan,

This is 2nd time this has been posted that there were 65,000 Pak Troops in East Pakistan. Please try to understand ...! 
 
Its also possible that less than 65,000 Troops were arrested but 93,000 were released a few years later because they had given birth to more than 28,000, while they were in Indian Jail. 

 

Posted by: "Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan" srbanunz@gmail.com

Tue Sep 9, 2008 4:23 am (PDT)

Mr. Sajjad, either you are a notorious liar or complete illiterate!

You wrote,

*"In 1971, **Pakistan** had only less than 65,000 troops in **East Pakistan*
*".*

This is a broad day lie.

In 16th December, 1971 around 93,000 Paki troops had surrendered to
Bangladesh - India joint command unconditionally and cowardly!

(Still this is a world record)

If there were only 65,000 troops then how 93,000 Paki troops surrendered?

Do you know how many thousand Paki troops (starting from Colonel to ordinary
SEPAI) were killed by our brave MUKTI BAHINI?

Yes, I agree Paki troops are expert in killing unarmed - innocent civilian,
like they killed innocent & unarmed Bangalee in Bangladesh, Balooch in
Baluchistan, Pathan in NWFP!

They are 'rat' against any regular army, even to Bangalee MUKTI BAHINI (90%
of them were young man having only 4 to 8 weeks light and nominal training)
no previous military training or experience

In other place you wrote,

*"Where small Pakistani army was already engaged with limited
amunation. Without
Air and Naval support and without amunation supply line"*

Why?

Bangladesh was mostly populated part (54% of total) of the then total
Pakistan and most of the foreign exchanged were earned from the product of
Bangladesh (Jute etc) and most of the meritorious and intelligent people of
Pakistan were from Bangladesh part and we were superior to you in all good
aspect!

Then why there was "small army"?

Then why there was no "Air and Naval support"?

Then why there was no proper "ammunition supply"?

Because most of the Paki people, ruler, and military are:

- Liar
- Killer
- Rapist
- Cheat
- Immoral
- Exploiter
- Conspirator

That is why we defeated you!

We broke your Pakistan into pieces!

We are now much better off than you and we are going forward (may be at less
pace), but not going backward like you!

So, leave us and do not intermingle with Bangladesh and Bangalee

and

Oil your own old and ruined machine

Joy Bangla

(Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any
thing during 1971 war!)

Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
NEW ZEALAND.

Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 (mobile)
E-mail: srbanunz@gmail. com

N.B.: If any one is offended by content of this e-mail, please ignore &
delete this e-mail. I also request you to inform me by an e- mail - to
delete your name from my contact list.

On 9/9/08, Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Musa
>
> Be honest and read your post and then tell us who is taking drugs?
>
> Well, I can still go on with you. But you promise with me that you will not
> runaway this time too. As you once did in the past.
>
> In 1971, Pakistan had only less than 65,000 troops in East Pakistan. This
> small army need to fight on multiple ends at the same time. It had maintain
> peace and law & order at any cost within the country. Then it had to take
> down the armed personal, prepared by India and thirdly and most importantly
> it had to handle the regular army of India. For your bad information, Mr.
> Musa, Guerilla war is totally different than the regular war. Only a regular
> armies capture enemies' territories. Guerilla warriors only hit and run.
> Pakistan army did not lost in front of so called guerillas, anyway. It was
> full fledge Indian invasion of East Pakistan, where they crossed the
> international borders, entered in Pakistan's territories and made their
> advancements towards the capital. Where small Pakistani army was already
> engaged with limited amunation. Without Air and Naval support and without
> amunation supply line, it is always impossible to carry on war at multiple
> ends, at the same time. Technically, it could be the mis-management of
> Pakistan of its military presence in East Pakistan. But it could never be
> claimed as military victory either by India or Bangladesh.
>
> As far as Kargil is concern, It could only be a fool's view point, that
> Pakistan Army lost in Kargil. Forget all other things and tell us that when
> Kargil war started, how many war tax Pakistan had imposed on Pakistani
> nation and how much war tax imposed by Indian government on indians? IF YOU
> BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THAN DO NOT TRY TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS SINGLE
> QUESTION.
>
> Go and read newspapers of the days of Kargil war and list the number of
> casualities on both sides and let us know. Additionally, and again for your
> bad information, Mr. Musa, India lost many fighter jets in Kargil, while
> Pakistan Air Force was totally out of this war, not a single flight by
> Pakistan Air Force. What you say on this.
>
> It will always remain funny to you. Whenever will show you the truth you
> will always say this. Don't worry.
>
> It is not necessary that Pakistanis and Russians engage in actual and face
> to face war to determine which military is superior. I think you are taking
> the example of China-India war in mind, where Chinese military beated like a
> dog to the Indians. Am I right? In Afghanistan, Pakistan was fighting the
> war of its own survival. The leadership of that time clearly looking USSR as
> taking over Pakistan too. If they had allowed to consolidate thier military
> presence in Afghanista. So Pakistan decided not to allow them to consolidate
> in Afghanistan. The whole Guerilla war was planned and carried on by
> Pakistani Intelligence Agencies and mainly under the command of General
> Akhtar Abdur Rahman. Search his name in the google and find out by yourself.
> This is not necessary that I waste my time to educate the hate monger like
> you.
>
> And your great last para. Need proof? OK. here it is. Read the following
> links and tell us that are these not solid enough for you to believe? Or I
> need to send Pakistan's Army Chief at your homes with all CDs of Pakistani
> movies to show you that Pakistan, unlike Indians, had never ever felt a need
> to make movies like them to get more recruites.
>
 




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