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Wednesday, January 9, 2008

[chottala.com] Is this start of the end of Pakistan?

Bhutto's death stokes regional rivalry

By BURT HERMAN, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 9, 6:36 AM ET
 
When vast crowds paid their last respects to Benazir Bhutto before her burial, angry mourners from her native Sindh province chanted separatist slogans: "We don't want to be part of Pakistan!"
Although Bhutto, a two-time prime minister and leader of the country's biggest party, was an icon of Pakistani nationalism, her violent death in the heart of Punjab province has laid bare bitter regional rivalries in a nation carved out of the subcontinent after British colonial rule ended 60 years ago.
Many among the ethnically distinct peoples in Pakistan's three minority provinces harbor deep resentment toward the most populous province of Punjab, which dominates the government, military and allocation of federal resources.
Aside from bubbling tensions in Sindh, Pakistan is grappling with outright separatist rebellion in the deserts of Baluchistan, as well as escalating militancy in the North West Frontier province near Afghanistan.
A breakup of the federation is unlikely, but Bhutto's slaying touched a particularly raw nerve as she was the third Pakistani prime minister from Sindh to have died a violent death. The Islamic nation's first premier, Liaquat Ali Khan, was shot dead in 1951, and her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was executed in 1979 for allegedly conspiring to kill a rival.
All three died in Rawalpindi, the garrison city of the Punjabi-dominated army — a fact not lost on the thousands who gathered for Benazir's funeral at her ancestral home, where she was buried beside her father. Bhutto herself had also claimed elements of the Punjabi-dominated ruling party were seeking to kill her, claims that it denied.
"After all this they are asking us to calm down ... why should we?" asked Pir Bakhsh Jhakrani, a messenger in his 50s living in Larkana, the Bhutto clan's stronghold. "Those ruling the country should stop conspiring against Sindh if they want to keep the country intact."
Bhutto's death on Dec. 27 sparked the worst unrest in Pakistan in years — most of it focused in Sindh where ethnic nationalists have been calling for more power since the rule of Islamist military dictator Gen. Zia ul-Haq, under whose rule Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was convicted and killed.
"We will only stay in Pakistan which must be a democratic, secular Pakistan where we are an equal partner in state affairs," said Qader Magsi, chairman of the Sindh Taraqi Pasand Party, or Sindh Progressive Party.
Secessionist sentiments remain strongest in neighboring Baluchistan, Pakistan's biggest and poorest province, where the army is deployed to fight ethnic rebels who often attack energy infrastructure — much of the natural gas piped into homes in Punjab originates here.
Sardar Attaullah Mengal, chief of Baluchistan National Party, alleged the rebels were motivated by torture and abduction of young men by government forces.
"Baluchistan has been made a colony of Punjab and Baluchis will never accept living in Pakistan as a colony," said Mengal, a former chief minister of the province. "Punjab will have to give rights to Baluchistan and other provinces on the basis of equality if they have to live in Pakistan. Any other status lesser than that is not acceptable."
Ethnic Pashtuns who live in areas bordering Afghanistan where they are the majority — mostly in the volatile northwest — also said the political balance must shift.
"Pakistan cannot run the way they are running the federation: that Pakistan is Punjab and Punjab is Pakistan," said Asfandyar Wali Khan, president of the Awami National Party, Pakistan's largest Pashtun nationalist group.
Still, few citizens even in the three minority provinces want outright separation from Pakistan. Memories of the country's last painful division are still fresh.
It was under the presidency of Bhutto's father that eastern Pakistan splintered off into today's Bangladesh in the early 1970s after a humiliating military defeat by India. His charismatic rule during that time spawned the political legacy that carried over to his daughter.
Quetta photo shop owner Asadullah Baluch, 28, said his people just want more autonomy.
"If Baluchistan is given control over its resources and the province is allowed to participate in national affairs, and the province is given representation in the establishment and foreign services, this conflict will end," he said.
Rasul Bakhsh Rais, a political scientist at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, said Islamic militancy rather than ethnic movements posed the biggest threat to the federation.
Pro-Taliban militants have grabbed control of lawless, semiautonomous tribal regions such as South and North Waziristan, where the U.S. fears al-Qaida is regrouping. They have also challenged the government's authority further inland in the North West Frontier Province.
"Ethnic nationalists can be negotiated with and many of their demands for sharing power and allocating resources are legitimate. These can be settled," Rais said. "But the Taliban are using force to threaten the border regions of Pakistan."
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Associated Press writers Ashraf Khan in Karachi, Sattar Khan in Quetta, Riaz Khan in Peshawar and Zarar Khan in Larkana contributed to this report.
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[chottala.com] Man admits planning terrorist acts in Pakistan

What else do you think is going on in Pakistan?
Last year more people, Police and Soldiers were blown-up by JehaaDi Suicide Bombers in Paksitan than in Afghanistan. Every week 2 such incidents are taking place everywhere in Pakistan right now. 2008 could be another  Record Breaking year for them.
Since the year Pakistan decided to side with USA in War against Terrorism, over 3,000 Police and Soldiers have been killed by JehaaDis. Even a School Bus of Army people's children has been blown up in their own Cantonment area. A Bus taking employees of ISI to their office has also been blown-up.  

Syed Mirza <mirza.syed@gmail.com> wrote:
This young fellow Qureshi must be a good soldier of jihadi group of pukka muslims who considered killing innocent Pakistani was a good thing for Islam! This kind of mentality triggers some one to commit suicide only to kill some innocents.
 
Syed


 
On 1/8/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Tue Jan 8, 8:59 AM ET
LONDON (AFP) - A young man admitted in court Tuesday planning to travel to Pakistan to carry out unspecified acts of terorrism, aiming to "kill many."
 
Sohail Qureshi, 29, (a Punjabi) was detained at London Heathrow Airport in October 2006, and was found to be carrying thousands of pounds in cash, as well as a night sight, medical supplies and computer material for alleged terrorist purposes.
 
Prosecutor Jonathan Sharp told the Old Bailey central criminal court that Qureshi intended to fly to Islamabad for a "two- to three-week operation" either in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or its Waziristan region, on the border between the two countries.
 
"Pray that I kill many, brother. Revenge, revenge, revenge," wrote Qureshi, according to Internet traffic intercepted by police and released at the court hearing.
 
"Sohail Qureshi is a dedicated supporter of Islamist extremism," said Sharp, after Qureshi pleaded guilty to preparing for terrorism under Section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006, the first conviction under this legal section.
 
He also admitted possessing an article for a terrorist purpose and possessing a record likely to be useful in terrorism, although the details were not immediately clear.


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[chottala.com] The Hilarious NRB Conf. At Dhaka Sheraton - Attention S. Turkman...

Bangladeshis abroad, who send money to their family definitely contribute to locla Economy and they make Foreign Exchange situation better. They should have a right to vote in Elections by mail even if they become citizens of other countries.
 
World-famous Engineer Dr. Rehman, who made Bangla proud by being the Poineer Architect Engineer of Sky Scrapper Revolution in the world by his Hollow Steel idea had contributed tons of money to cause of Bangladesh before it became free.  
 
Its wrong to say immigration to other countries is all that bad. What could have Dr. Reham achieved living in Pakistan and serving the country?
He couldn't have come up with the idea that made him world famous, living in Pakistan. 
After getting his Ph D. in early 1960's, he had come back to Pakistan and was appointed Asstt. Executive Engineer of Karachi Development Authority. There was Hate and scrons against him for getting directly appointed to such a high post as a youngman. West Pakistanis had blamed Quota System and even his sub-ordinates used to insult him so he had gone back to USA.
 
Pakistan couldn't have built Nuclear Bomb if a Mohajir Qadir Ahmed Khan had not gone to study in Holland and get his Ph D. Pakistan couldn't have succeeded smuggling so much Technology to build the Nuclear Bomb if there were not so many Pakistanis living in USA.   

naima CBd <naima.changebangladesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

astute points made. Sometimes you may recognize that this situation of
probashi preaching is a way to show our clout as an organized entity.
To show up and tell everyone that we are indeed a constituency to
rekon with. BTW the conference may be ineffective to get anything REal
done but its an advertising tool for us to demonstrate that we send an
awful lot of money back to Bangladesh but can't even vote or have
disfunctional embassies. These concerns may seem insignificant
compared to the priorities of inside Bangladesh ,nevertheless, you
will require such robust services once you travel outside our borders.
There is a function being srved here, even though not obvious to the
perspective of you from Chittagong. having said that yes, there were
nonsensical gibberish said at the conference. We take what we can get
at this point.

My two paisas,

naima

On Jan 9, 2008 1:45 AM, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Sir, all my best wishes for taking promise to take care of Mollaa insugency
> in Bangladesh but let me inform you they openly say they are not like
> Taliban but this is their secret Agenda. They follow the tactics of
> 'Ikhwaan' of Egypt, who you find in Western Attire but their workers remain
> busy assassinating people, who oppose them in Egyptian Population. They even
> condemn such killings and killings of girls killed for not wearing 'Hijaab'
> in the press though their own members do that kind of stuff.
>
> I support Musharraf because there's no other viable choice and you would
> have loved him yourself ...
> * if Bangladesh Per Capital Income was $ 540 in 1999 and now it was $ 843.
> * If Exports were $ 7 billion and now they were $ 14 billion.
> * If he had built over 117 Bridges, By Passes and Tunnels.
> * If he had made Stock Market Index rise 400 % since he took over.
> * If even your guy, who comes to your door selling Vegetables had a Mobile
> Phone.
>
> MQM has been the only Non JaagirDaar Political Party of Asia for last two
> decades. Following are facts about MQM:
>
> 1. It made Mohajirs stop voting for JmaaTay Islami because its elected
> members in Assembly and Parliament had done nothing to abolish
> discriminatory laws of Pakistan against them.
> 2. It refused to accpet Millionaires as its members because all they had
> wanted was nomination of MQM to run for Parliament and Assembly.
> 3. It always issued Tickets to run for Parliament and Assembly to its
> ordinary educated workers, who proved to have leadership qualities without
> prejudice of race, religion, money background or ethnic backgroud. For
> Example: Farooq Sattar, a Bangla wearing a Beard became Mayor of Karachi on
> MQM Ticket, then a Minister and than Chief Minister of Sindh.
> 4. It has been named as a Treasonous Anti Islamic Terrorist Party because
> when Punjabi Pakistan Army's Rangers and Police had started looting houses
> of Mohajirs in Urban Sindh and raping their daughters the young Mohajirs
> could not be stopped from start attacking Police and Army Rangers just like
> MokTi Bhaayini of East Pakistanis. Would you have rather quietly taken rape
> of your sisters or daughters lying-down, sir?
> 5. Its the only party of Asian Countries that has largest number of
> Volunteer force for Social Work.
> 6. Its Volunteers can be seen directing traffic to reduce Traffic Jams in
> all big cities of Pakistan.
> 7. Its Volunteers help the Needy and Poor all over Pakistan without any
> Ethnic Prejudice with the money donated by mostly Urdu Speaking People in
> and outside Pakistan of whom some are Multi Millionaires or closer to be
> Billionaires in Dollars.
> 8. Its the only party of Asia that started Free Hospitals and Medical
> Clinics all over Pakistan and even in USA for people of its country.
> 9. Its the only party of Pakistan that had more Social Workers than even
> Govt. Social Workers in the Earthquake-struck part of Pakistan.
> 10. Its the party that had delivered Shiploads of aid for Earthquake Victims
> to Pakistan by Sea.
> 11. Since 2 Assemblymen had died in Earthquake victims of Earthquake had
> elected 2 local ordinary but educated local people with leadership qualities
> to replace them on MQM Ticket.
> 12. Its larger party of Pakistan than all Religious Parties combined with
> more than 460 candidates running on its ticket from all over Pakistan though
> it had started as a very small ethnic party.
>
> Now tell me, which Political Party of Bangladesh has a record to match even
> 1/4th qualities of MQM?
> Which of Bangla Political Parties have half a million Volunteer Workers?
> Which one of them has started Social Welfare Wing?
> Which one of them has started free Charitable Hospitals?
> Which one of them has free Medical Clinics in the country and abroad for
> Bangla people?
> Which one of them had more Social Workers than Govt. Social Workers for
> victims of recent Cyclone?
> Which one of them has supplied shipload of Humanitarian Aid for Cyclone
> Victims?
>
> MQM doesn't believe in propaganda or expelling lies against it in Media,
> Press or Internet. It just keeps doing good deeds and keeps winning more and
> more seats in Assemblies and Parliament of Pakistan because it know, truth
> prevails, not lies.
>
> Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Mr S. Turkman
>
> Your comments are out of context. It is very clear that you are lecturing
> like a Tabligi Jamat without reading the actual article by Mr. S. Ahmed.
> What's
> your problem? Don't you understand plain English? Take your time, read it
> again, and again and again .... Mr. S. Ahmed's views have nothing to do with
> the things you are taliking about.....
>
> Don't mix up apples and oranges .... We Bangladeshis know how to combat
> the Islamists and the Fakes like you who does not know the basics of
> debate in a civilized forum . . We have taught the Islamists a good lesson
> once in 1971 and we will teach them another lesson once again ...and this
> time we will kill the snake for good so that it can not rise again to spread
> its venoms on our people.
>
> You have already exposed yourself as an apologist for Pak-President
> Musarraff
> and it's MQM supporter. Please don't try entertain us with your half-backed
> egg plants.
>
> We, Bangladeshis know what to do. Obviously, you don't know much about the
> NRB conference that was held in Dhaka last December ..... We have difference
> in
> openions .... but we always agree to disagree ....
>
> Mr. S. Ahmed is a great rational thinker. Don't try to demean him
> through your innuendoes.......and slanders ....
>
> Solong & Bye !
>
> Syed Aslam
>
>
> On 1/8/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Shun path of West?
> That's right, too many of us are not wearing Beards. Too many of us are
> wearing Pants and getting English Style Haircuts. Look at necks of most of
> us ...! Neck is fully exposed, no hair. Who says this is not path of the
> West?
> Almost everybody is using Tooth Brush instead of 'Miswaak' also. Not many
> cover their heads. Too many of us know English instead of Arabic. We believe
> in Western style Democracy, Freedom of Speech, Civil Rights, Human Rights
> instead of believing in Caliphate System. We are not collecting Protection
> Money or 'JiZiyah' Tax of Qoraan from our Non Moslims either. All this is
> also Path of the West.
>
> We have to go back to 7th Century or at least Horse, Bull Cart and Kerosene
> Lamp Days so our Mollaas can become our absolute Rulers and Islam's 2nd age
> of Glory can start. ... Allaho Akbar ...!
>
>
> Syed Aslam < Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> 'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis'- The Hilarious Conferenence of
> The NRBs At Dhaka Sheraton Hotel
>
> Thursday January 03 2008 20:18:11 PM BDT
> http://www.bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidRecord=182282
>
>
> By S. Ahmad, Bangladesh
>
> How much useful the recent all well (?) meant NRBs pompous meeting at posh
> Sheraton hotel in Dhaka could be for Bangladesh that I do not know but I can
> easily see the hollowness of utterances by many distinguished "Lecturers" of
> this gathering. 'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis' cried someone.
> But how and for what we need to do that nobody advised and for that matter
> none ever mentioned what there is in Bangladesh that one could be proud of.
> Bangladesh is a poor country ruled by thieves and humbugs from its very
> inception and the same scenario is continuing even today. Her past was dark,
> a subservient and poor converted Muslims people in a primitive society
> dominated by a degenerated and equally false but proud Hindus since the 19th
> century. Before that we were just untouchable converted Muslims to the
> Turkish, Afghan or Iranian rulers whose religion happened to be Islam.
>
> Do we need to feel ashamed to admit that? No, I do not. I keep my head high
> as long as my forefathers or I have done no harm to anybody or caused
> distress to any individual or a group in any way. Why we need to be proud or
> be ashamed of being Bangladeshis? Why can't we be just simple Bangladeshi
> looking after our own good? And for that matter why should we shun the path
> of West? Should not we learn honesty, science and technology, art and
> literature and all that is good in the West or for that matter anywhere on
> earth? I admit that everything that is West is not good, some of the Western
> things we may reject out rightly and without any hesitation but there are
> many things in the West we need to learn and adopt and without which we can
> not even survive.
>
> Those NRBs attending the gathering are also Western products and without
> Western education and training, and most importantly Western culture, they
> are nothing and they have nothing to offer to Bangladesh. Look at their
> dress, people seating on the dais, what sort of dress they were putting on?
> Dr. Kamal Hossain, can you live without a suit even in high summer in
> Bangladesh?
>
> I do not echo Nirad Chowdhury when he said, "all that was good and living
> within us was made, shaped and quickened by the same British rule" but the
> fact is, for sure, not just the saying of a fool and the same way we can say
> like him that all that can uplift us is available in the West and our
> contact with the West is for our own survival only. West does not need us
> for anything. I do not say "Shut-up you hypocrites, don't talk nonsense" to
> those self-appointed distinguished "Lecturers" but I would not be surprised
> if some one says so. Is this gathering for any good to Bangladesh or just an
> exhibition of self importance of some individuals? To whom they talk seating
> in a posh hotel room in a Western environment and condemning the same West
> they represent? There should be a limit of idiotic pronunciations.
>
> "Expatriate Bangladeshis called for an end to the existing political culture
> and attitude, and restoration of the traditional values of serving the
> community". What is new in their call? We hear such call every day and how
> to end the existing political culture and corruption nobody could tell us as
> yet. And what are our traditional values in Bangladesh? When and who ever
> served anybody in Bangladesh except himself or herself? We need not minimize
> or dishonour a very few in our society who were and are still honest but
> their numbers are very few and that makes there talks just nonsense
> chitchat. What Bangladesh needs is an honest government, rule of law and no
> self-appointed, self-serving foreign or local advisers.
>
> "Shunning the materialistic path of the West, the people of Bangladesh need
> to nurture and uphold their own values" they said on the second day of the
> three-day conference of NRBs.
>
> Western path is not only the materialistic path as these people say
> forgetting that they run away from Bangladesh to get those materialistic
> things they shamelessly dare to condemn now. How many of you would like to
> give up your foreign passports and get back to Bangladesh to become imam of
> a mosque, a corrupt bureaucrat or a thief politician, sirs?
>
> "A good leadership is essentially dynamic and it allows individuals'
> potentials to find room for utilisation" said Dr. Kamal Hossain whose
> business is to seat in every dais on every occasion and offer his wise
> counsel. Advice is free, Dr. Hossain knows it well but he lives as an
> absentee landowner and would never admit that absentee land owners are the
> number one enemies of Bangladesh. Should he not give-up all her lands and
> encourage other to do so as an honest adviser to the nation?
>
> "People yarn for contributing to their country, not passive and second class
> subjects, people need to be truly empowered citizens" , Dr. Hossain and the
> eminent jurist (?) continued, "people should have the right to choose their
> leadership which will listen to them, involve them in decision-making and
> empower them properly". "Yes, yes Sir, did he ever pass this advice to Mujib
> when you were his first lieutenant and a trusted adviser? Why you talk all
> these high sounding things now, Mr. eminent jurist? What was your role in
> BAKSAL formation? What good you have done to Bangladesh until today?
>
> The most amusing thing was said by Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury
> when he said that "non-resident Bangladeshis are often privileged to have
> the highest level of education and exposure to cultures where education is
> an end in itself, not a means to a job". What does it mean, Mr. Adviser? You
> may not understand but the reality is far from the truth especially for the
> NBRs. Of course, that we can not say about NRBs who have no education from
> their adopted country and are engaged in business like restaurants or
> working at petrol stations. "NRBs and their children can volunteer to help
> train our teachers, especially to teach English", the adviser suggested. But
> is it a feasible suggestion? And how and why shall NRBs children do that
> job? Are they qualified English teachers? Is teaching such a simple job,
> dear Sir? Or, will the NRBs IT experts will come to Bangladesh and work on
> Bangladesh salary? Is there anybody to do that?
>
> Bangladesh's Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossain said the second generation
> NRBs should come back and actively get engaged in business, development and
> politics.
>
> That is a good suggestion but what response he got? How many he found to
> give up their foreign passports to "get engaged in business, development and
> politics" in Bangladesh?
>
> The simple fact is the future of Bangladesh's remains in the hands of the
> Bangladeshi people who live and ready to die in Bangladesh. Hardly any good
> can come from those who run away from the country. They would be the larks
> of the summer if Bangladesh ever gets any summer and all those talks are
> nothing but nonsense chitchats. It is a pity that people put so much weight
> on these sorts of useless conferences.
>
> I said before, the future of Bangladesh lies in the hands of the Bangladeshi
> people and not on those who found their paradises in foreign countries.
> Those NRBs with foreign passports I strongly suggest that they stay where
> they are and if they can do small things for us please do it quietly. If
> your patriotism is still bubbling, through away your foreign passports, come
> home and live with us and do anything good that you can with us and
> together. No more conference please and no more advice!
>
>
> S. Ahmad, Chittagong, Bangladesh
> E mail : sahmadctg@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>

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[chottala.com] Re: [khabor.com] Clinton Defeats Obama in Primary;McCain Takes Republican Contest

The present CTG is advised to make a system for selecting an advisors panel or advisor party after collecting them by written test & verbal interview from the learned neutral & fair people though out the country & for providing training to the advisor panel or advisor party for making them skilled efficient & good wise advisor to appoint in the post of advisor of the care taker government when it is required for changing or replacing in the post of inefficient advisor by more efficient  good advisor.
Because
This CTG is required to do a lot of quality works before conducting fair & neutral election such as reforming works trialing works problem solving works developing works & other so many works according to the requirements of the country & according to the demands from the various corners Bangali & Bangladeshi people who are living in Bangladesh & abroad through out the world.
To complete these works it requires very good efficient advisors & it also requires for CTG to continue very long time.
For conducting fair & neutral election it also requires in Bangladesh to provide nation wide quality education & to create a system
1)     for learning for knowing what is real democracy & what is real politics to make lawful system of democracy for doing lawful system of politics with wise knowledge & wisdom for doing welfare works to the people of Bangladesh
2)     for learning to create quality educated quality politicians for making lawful system of quality administration in the quality democratic  political party for making quality rules & quality laws as quality law makers
3)     for making lawful system of quality administration in the country
4)     for making lawful quality system of quality Judicial Procedures to establish lawful quality Justice in the country
5)     for making lawful quality system to create quality planers quality executers quality administrator to rule & build the country
6)     for making lawful quality system to educate the people in their respective working fields to make them skilled  persons for making success according to the quality plan.
So this present CTG system quality government will continue until & unless fair efficient wise competent & honest politicians are created to contest in the fair & neutral election.


Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:

Clinton Defeats Obama in Primary;
McCain Takes Republican Contest

By AMY CHOZICK
January 9, 2008

 
NASHUA, N.H. -- After a fierce battle for the first-in-the-nation primary, New Hampshire voters chose Washington stalwarts Sen. John McCain and Sen. Hillary Clinton and their message that only decades of experience can bring about change -- the buzzword of this year's presidential race.
The big battle here played out in the contest for the Democratic nomination between Mrs. Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama, who had soared on the momentum of his decisive win in the Iowa caucuses last week. Earlier today polls showed Mrs. Clinton trailing Mr. Obama by as many as 13 percentage points.
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McCain supporters react to election results at the campaign's headquarters in Nashua, N.H.
But tonight, Mrs. Clinton was handed a surprise victory with 39% of the vote compared with 36% for Mr. Obama and 17% for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.
"I felt like we all spoke from our hearts and I am so gratified that you responded,'' Mrs. Clinton told a cheering crowd of supporters. "Now together, let's give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me."
When the race was called at 10:34 p.m., Clinton supporters jumped up and down, hugged each other and waved signs that said "Clinton Country." They shouted "Hillary! Hillary!" Mr. and Mrs. Clinton spent the next hour shaking hands and talking to supporters.
"I feel wonderful," said Clinton supporter Sue Lajoie, 60 and a retired schoolteacher who says she was worried earlier today when polls showed Mrs. Clinton trailing Mr. Obama. "I hoped people wouldn't be persuaded by all the hype for Obama," she said.
On the Republican side, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, once seen as a natural to take neighboring New Hampshire, came in second with 28%, a possibly fatal blow to his bid for the presidency. Mike Huckabee, who took a surprising first-place in Iowa, struggled to connect with New Hampshire voters who tend to be less likely to accept his religious message. He finished with 12% of the vote. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani finished with 9%, and Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who took 8%.
Unseasonably warm weather along with the fierce contests boosted voter turnout to record numbers. With temperatures reaching 61 degrees at the Manchester airport today, some 500,000 voters or 48% of the total voting age population cast ballots, compared with 44.4% in 2004 and 29.9% in 2000. Some 280,000 voters cast Democratic ballots and 220,000 voted in the Republican contest.
The mild weather could have helped Mrs. Clinton, who gets strong support among older female voters who might be reluctant to take the trip to their polling places in stormy weather.
John McCain claimed victory in the Republican New Hampshire primary.
With no incumbent on the ballot, the open field has energized voters here, where particular attention has been paid to the state's independent voters, who make up about 45% of the electorate. An independent can vote either as a Republican or Democrat.
Exit polls showed independent voters broke towards the Democrats, attracted to Mr. Obama's message of breaking the status quo in Washington. Altogether, 46% of Mr. Obama's support came from independent voters. An early sign that independent voters were trending Democratic came this morning as the New Hampshire Secretary of State's office dispatched additional ballots -- mostly Democratic ballots -- to a half dozen towns across the state.
"I've never seen this many people voting in the primary," said Ken Fanjoy, a 53-year-old union worker from Seabrook who backed Mrs. Clinton.
With the theme of the presidential race focused on change, all the leading candidates in both parties invoked the word on the campaign trail, in their ads and in their attacks. The word "change" popped up some 130 times during the back-to-back ABC News-Facebook debates that aired nationwide Saturday night.
While the Republicans and Democrats are far apart on nearly all of the issues, the political dynamic in both fields has shaped up to be strikingly similar here in their rhetoric on change. Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney offered similar arguments that they aren't part of the Washington machine, and as outsiders can bring about the most fundamental change. Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton similarly countered that change can only be brought by an experienced hand.
But rivals had criticized Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. McCain's messages and their ability to bring about real change. During the Democratic debate on Saturday, Mr. Edwards referred to Mrs. Clinton as "the status quo."
The third leading Democrat, Mr. Edwards, campaigned hard in New Hampshire, but couldn't edge out Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama. Mr. Edwards entered New Hampshire weakened by his second-place finish in Iowa, where he had focused nearly all of his time and money. At 10:20 p.m. EST before the Democratic race had been called, Mr. Edwards congratulated Mrs. Clinton.
Following her third-place finish in Iowa, Mrs. Clinton has heavily focused on her theme that change only comes with her "35 years of experience." "When did experience be come a liability?" a frustrated Mrs. Clinton said on the stump Monday.
Mrs. Clinton also tried to better reach out to younger voters, many of whom have been supporting Mr. Obama. She changed some of her campaign music and brought her 27-year-old daughter Chelsea on the campaign trail. People close to the Clinton campaign have said that if Mrs. Clinton didn't win, a management reshuffling could be expected.
Mrs. Clinton also had a much-publicized moment Monday when she choked up at an event in Portsmouth after an undecided voter asked how she balances her life on the trail. "It's about our country, it's about our kids' futures, it's really about all of us together," she said, tears welling in her eyes.
While Clinton detractors suggested the moment could further damage her prospects here, for some voters it showed a more human side of the former first lady that may have made her more likeable, particularly with women. Mrs. Clinton captured nearly 50% of the female vote, a sharp increase from the Iowa results where younger women largely opted for Mr. Obama.
Showing her more sensitive side certainly played well with voters like Dolores Felch, 53-years-old of Seabrook. "I voted for Hillary Clinton. I was with Edwards last night when he was making fun of her emotional thing…he's a jerk," Ms. Felch said. "I don't like Obama, he's just a talker."
The Clinton campaign also sharpened its attacks on Mr. Obama's inexperience in recent days. On Sunday senior Clinton campaign officials held a much-publicized conference call with reporters to assert that the Obama campaign had violated New Hampshire law by sending prerecorded political messages to voters on a do-not-call list.
"Our disclaimer absolutely complies with the federal law, and our vendor has assured us that he scrubbed the list for people on the do-not-call registry," said Ned Helms, state co-chairman of the Obama campaign.
Today former President Bill Clinton critiqued Mr. Obama's record while stumping for his wife throughout the state, calling Mr. Obama's candidacy "the biggest fairy tale I have ever seen."
In the end, it was Mr. Obama's lack of experience that made many voters opt for the more seasoned Mrs. Clinton. "I like him and I think he'll be ready in eight years," said Allison Mundry, a 49-year-old real estate agent in Salem. But for now, she says "We have to vote for someone who can get the Republicans out of office.
The Illinois Senator will go on to South Carolina where half of all registered Democrats are African-American and could choose Mr. Obama, the first serious candidate to have a chance at the White House.
The state's independent streak boded well for Mr. Obama, who had the most momentum heading into the primary following his decisive eight-point victory in Iowa. His campaign has stressed throughout the race that Mr. Obama is the candidate with the most cross-over appeal among Republican and right-leaning voters.
But many New Hampshire voters saw Mr. Obama as an inspirational speaker with little policy to back up his message of change. "I don't understand the Obama bandwagon at all," said Marianne Rork, 54 and a physical therapist in Londonderry. "He can rally a crowd, but he's not giving any details."
For Mr. McCain, New Hampshire was widely viewed as a make-or-break state. He has invested nearly all of his limited resources in New Hampshire, which he won in his 2000 bid against George W. Bush.
When the results came in at 8 p.m. EST, supporters at the McCain party at a Nashua hotel began chanting "Mac is Back! Mac is Back!"
"The lesson here and in Iowa is that negative ads don't work," said Matt Marchese, a McCain volunteer from nearby Massachusetts. "They worked in the past, but they turned into a huge Achillies' heal for Mitt Romney."
Bill Starner, from Windham, a McCain booster going back to the 2000 election said the expectant victory was especially satisfying after the campaign was "resurrected" last summer. "He got the mojo back," he said.
Victor Goulet, Mr. McCain's campaign chairman for Manchester, declared: "It's time to celebrate again." He attributed Mr. McCain's comeback to a strategy shift last summer that emphasized small events with voters.
Mr. McCain appeared energized by his comeback victory. "My friends, you know, I'm passed the age when I can claim the noun 'kid ' no matter what adjective precedes it. But tonight, we showed them what a comeback looks like."
He credited his signature blunt honesty for today's win. And in a dig at Mr. Romney, who rivals have accused him of shifting positions, Mr. McCain said, "I didn't tell you what the polls said you wanted to hear. I didn't tell you what I knew to be false. I didn't try to spin you."
He also made a nod to his own combative style, which appeals to independent-minded New Hampshire voters, but has failed in the past to ignite the national electorate. "I reasoned with you. I listened to you I answered you. Sometimes I argued with you. But I always told you the truth as best as I can see the truth and you did me the great honor of listening," he said.
The 71-year-old senator, who maintains one of the most packed schedules of any candidate, will leave New Hampshire early Wednesday morning. "We celebrate one victory tonight, and leave for Michigan tomorrow to win another."
Mr. Romney has seen his inevitability factor fade after a second-place finish in Iowa, despite spending heavily -- both dollars and time -- in the state. After that defeat, Mr. Romney pivoted, casting himself as a Washington outsider committed to change. That theme permeated a two-minute television ad that aired throughout the state Monday evening. Mr. Romney has also sought to lower expectations, saying this morning only that he expects a close race. "If I got two votes I wouldn't say 'Oh, let's go on to the next.' There's no reason to do that. But I'm in a position where I'm in a very tight race," he said.
Mr. Romney fashioned his concession speech after the remarks he delivered less than a week ago in Iowa. He used the same Olympics medal analogy, saying he had "two silvers and one gold" – the gold being the little-watched caucus he won over the weekend in Wyoming. Although handed two definitive defeats, Mr. Romney vowed to continue competing. "I'll fight to be back here in November," he said.
And while the speech in New Hampshire borrowed from his Iowa remarks, the former governor was more composed the second time around, perhaps because the defeat was more expected. He congratulated Mr. McCain both over the phone and to the crammed ballroom here. "Congratulations on the gold, senator. Great job," he said.
Yet the Mr. McCain victory casts some doubt on Mr. Romney's message. For the five days between the Iowa and New Hampshire contests, Mr. Romney harped on the need to "clean up Washington." He repeatedly cited the performance of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain in Iowa as proof that voters reject Beltway insiders. Yet both candidates performed strongly Tuesday night, forcing the Romney campaign to rejigger their message yet again. "With John McCain, we're essentially running against an incumbent. He does have those institutional advantages," said spokesman Kevin Madden.
While former Arkansas Republican Gov. Huckabee handily won the Jan. 3 Iowa caucus, New Hampshire has a markedly different electorate. Iowa is home to a considerable bloc of conservative and evangelical voters, who heavily favored Mr. Huckabee.
Mr. Huckabee's brand of social conservatism didn't resonate as much in New Hampshire, but he nonetheless painted his distant third place finish as a victory, saying he did better than anyone thought "this old unknown Southern boy could possibly do in new England."
He promised to keep his message upbeat and positive as his campaign moves on to South Carolina, where a larger evangelical community gives him better odds in the Jan. 19 Republican primary. "We really need to take America up and not down and that's what we're going to continue to do," he told cheering supporters at a country club in Manchester.
The campaign travels to South Carolina in the morning and then onto Michigan on Friday, where he plans an address to the Detroit Economic Club.
"We're going to be able to secure this nomination," Huckabee said optimistically, "then on to the White House and on to leading America."
--Elizabeth Holmes, Brody Mullins and Amy Schatz contributed to this article
 
 
 
 

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[chottala.com] Islamic parties lose support in Pakistan

By Jonathan S. Landay, McClatchy NewspapersTue Jan 8, 5:37 PM ET
 
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — As Pakistan confronts an uncertain future after former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's slaying, one thing is clear: Islamic parties sympathetic to al Qaida and the Taliban have lost a great deal of support since they won their greatest political victory in the country's history five years ago.
 
"Giving your vote to the religious parties is just wasting your vote," snorted tailor Abdul Sattar Mughal , 37, as he sat at an old sewing machine in a tiny back-street shop close to where Bhutto died. "They don't deliver anything; just slogans, nothing more."
 
The parties have been hurt by internal splits, leadership rivalries and widespread disdain for the hard-line Islamic rule they advocate. An outpouring of sympathy for Bhutto's Pakistan Peoples Party unleashed by her death Dec. 27 appears to have drained more support.
All this means that the winners of polls Feb. 18 — if large-scale vote-rigging doesn't occur— will be less beholden to the Islamic parties and may be better able to rally popular support against Pakistan's militant Islamic insurgency, with which some of the religious parties allegedly collaborate, analysts said.
"This gives hope," said Talat Masood , a political analyst who's a retired army general. "It gives the mainstream political parties the ability to function in a normal democratic way."
However, analysts and politicians said the Islamic parties would recover quickly if the Bush administration sent U.S. forces to strike al Qaida and Taliban refugees in Pakistan's tribal areas.
 
"There is overwhelming opposition to outside forces coming in to fight either the Taliban or al Qaida," said a public opinion survey released Monday by the U.S. Institute of Peace and the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes.
 
The survey reaffirmed the depths of anti-American sentiment in the world's second most populous Muslim country and the conservative majority's desire that Islam play a "stronger role" in how the country is governed.
 
Yet it also found that a majority of Pakistanis oppose the severe brand of Islamic rule espoused by the religious parties and support a restoration of democracy after eight years of military rule under President Pervez Musharraf .
 
"People want religion, but not the kind practiced by the Taliban," said Mohammad Hanif Abbassi , the opposition Pakistan Muslim League-N's candidate in one of two national assembly districts that represent the military-headquarters city of Rawalpindi.
 
Secular parties have been far stronger than the Islamic parties have been for most of Pakistan's 60 years of independence. Then came the U.S.-led 2001 intervention in Afghanistan , which ousted the Taliban and drove Osama bin Laden and his followers into Pakistan .
 
Six Islamic parties formed the United Action Front , or MMA, widely thought to have been engineered by Pakistan's powerful intelligence service and former Taliban patron, Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, to contest 2002 elections.
 
The MMA rode the wave of anger against the United States with pledges to create a theocracy and denunciations of television, co-education and alcohol to achieve unprecedented political gains.
 
It formed governments in the North West Frontier and Baluchistan provinces, and won 60 seats in the 342-seat national assembly, making the Islamists the largest opposition bloc.
But it began hemorrhaging from a series of self-inflicted wounds.
In 2003, the coalition voted for constitutional amendments that gave sweeping powers to Musharraf, validating his 1999 military coup and extending his term as president. In exchange, Musharraf agreed to resign as army chief, a pledge he broke, turning the MMA into one of his fiercest critics.
 
Yet the Islamists have been unable to harness public loathing for Musharraf, which has soared since Bhutto's slaying in a gun-and-suicide-bomb attack that the government has blamed on Islamic extremists allied with al Qaida and the Taliban.
The provincial governments have failed to make good on promises to end corruption and improve social services. MMA parties themselves are accused of graft, which they deny.
Moreover, some Pakistanis have come to associate the religious parties with the explosion in suicide bombings and other violence that's shaken Pakistan since Musharraf ordered troops to assault an extremist-held mosque in Islamabad last July.
 
The MMA split from the government last year when its largest component, the Jamaat Islami, the country's oldest Islamic party, declared that it would boycott the elections.
Denunciations of the Bush administration's war on terrorism, the war in Iraq , the abuses at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, and U.S. support for Israel no longer carry the weight they did because most politicians are critical of U.S. foreign policy.
"That's probably not an issue now," said Ijaz Shafi Gailani , a political science professor at the International Islamic University in Islamabad .
 
The Islamic parties still hail bin Laden and the Taliban as heroes. They say that the insurgents are ordinary people defending themselves from U.S.-supported government repression. And they claim that the Sept. 11, 2001 , terrorist attacks were a Jewish-led conspiracy to justify what they call the Bush administration's war on Islam.
"I am very happy with Bush and Musharraf. They have caused Muslims to fight for themselves," said Mohammad Abbassi , a soft-spoken, keen-eyed Islamist candidate in Rawalpindi who exports Islamic literature to the United States .
 
Abbassi's university friend, Zubair Kayani , who works for a British aid group that helps AIDS and HIV patients and is also an MMA candidate, said that the alliance remained strong and would retain power in North West Frontier and Baluchistan provinces.
But, he said, the MMA is suffering from a lack of "very good and strong leadership" and is unlikely to capture the seats that the Jamaat Islami is relinquishing.
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[chottala.com] 'Behesti Jewor' - S. Turkman, is a god fearing muslim with his own dogma !

Sir,
I did not make this Headline. I didn't even start this thread. I had posted a reply. Someone had added comments about me after reading that reply and had asked me if I belonged to any sect. Since I said, I do not belong to any Sect now you have accused me of having my own Doctrine when I have only quoted what are the basics of our religion given to Prophet that can also be found in Qoraan.
 
Mollaas call me Kaafir, 'MorTiD', Zionist, Boot Licker of USA and West, Enemy of Islam and Enemy of Moslims because I'm against JehaaDis, keep writing against Mollaa-ism and don't wear a Beard. Once JehaaDis have tried to assassinate me also but they didn't succeed and were caught by US Authorities.
Now you are calling me a Mollaa because I have remained Moslim. I really don't know, what to do then because you have an objection on my faith in all good things that build Character though I'm a broadminded rational person.
 
I have been living in USA for 35 years. Hundreds of Millions of American Tax Payers' dollars were spent to do research and build Internet in Pres. Clinton Era and every informed Amrican knows this. Read Internet History below and learn instead of mouthing me off, sir ...!
 
 

Internet History

1969 - Birth of a Network

The Internet as we know it today, in the mid-1990s, traces it origins back to a Defense Department project in 1969. The subject of the project was wartime digital communications. At that time the telephone system was about the only theater-scale communications system in use. A major problem had been identified in its design - its dependence on switching stations that could be targeted during an attack. Would it be possible to design a network that could quickly reroute digital traffic around failed nodes? A possible solution had been identified in theory. That was to build a "web" of datagram network, called an "catenet", and use dynamic routing protocols to constantly adjust the flow of traffic through the catenet. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) launched the DARPA Internet Program.

1970s - Infancy

DARPA Internet, largely the plaything of academic and military researchers, spent more than a decade in relative obscurity. As Vietnam, Watergate, the Oil Crisis, and the Iranian Hostage Crisis rolled over the nation, several Internet research teams proceeded through a gradual evolution of protocols. In 1975, DARPA declared the project a success and handed its management over to the Defense Communications Agency. Several of today's key protocols (including IP and TCP) were stable by 1980, and adopted throughout ARPANET by 1983.

Mid 1980s - The Research Net

Let's outline key features, circa-1983, of what was then called ARPANET. A small computer was a PDP-11/45, and a PDP-11/45 does not fit on your desk. Some sites had a hundred computers attached to the Internet. Most had a dozen or so, probably with something like a VAX doing most of the work - mail, news, EGP routing. Users did their work using DEC VT-100 terminals. FORTRAN was the word of the day. Few companies had Internet access, relying instead on SNA and IBM mainframes. Rather, the Internet community was dominated by universities and military research sites. It's most popular service was the rapid email it made possible with distant colleagues. In August 1983, there were 562 registered ARPANET hosts (RFC 1296).
UNIX deserves at least an honorable mention, since almost all the initial Internet protocols were developed first for UNIX, largely due to the availability of kernel source (for a price) and the relative ease of implementation (relative to things like VMS or MVS). The University of California at Berkeley (UCB) deserves special mention, because their Computer Science Research Group (CSRG) developed the BSD variants of AT&T's UNIX operating system. BSD UNIX and its derivatives would become the most common Internet programming platform.
Many key features of the Internet were already in place, including the IP and TCP protocols. ARPANET was fundamentally unreliable in nature, as the Internet is still today. This principle of unreliable delivery means that the Internet only makes a best-effort attempt to deliver packets. The network can drop a packet without any notification to sender or receiver. Remember, the Internet was designed for military survivability. The software running on either end must be prepared to recognize data loss, retransmitting data as often as necessary to achieve its ultimate delivery.

Late 1980s - The PC Revolution

Driven largely by the development of the PC and LAN technology, subnetting was standardized in 1985 when RFC 950 was released. LAN technology made the idea of a "catenet" feasible - an internetwork of networks. Subnetting opened the possibilities of interconnecting LANs with WANs.
The National Science Foundation (NSF) started the Supercomputer Centers program in 1986. Until then, supercomputers such as Crays were largely the playthings of large, well-funded universities and military research centers. NSF's idea was to make supercomputer resources available to those of more modest means by constructing five supercomputer centers around the country and building a network linking them with potential users. NSF decided to base their network on the Internet protocols, and NSFNET was born. For the next decade, NSFNET would be the core of the U.S. Internet, until its privatization and ultimate retirement in 1995.
Domain naming was stable by 1987 when RFC 1034 was released. Until then, hostnames were mapped to IP address using static tables, but the Internet's exponential growth had made this practice infeasible.
In the late 1980s, important advances related poor network performance with poor TCP performance, and a string of papers by the likes of Nagle and Van Jacobson (RFC 896, RFC 1072, RFC 1144, RFC 1323) present key insights into TCP performance.
The 1987 Internet Worm was the largest security failure in the history of the Internet. More information can be found in RFC 1135. All things considered, it could happen again.

Early 1990s - Address Exhaustion and the Web

In the early 90s, the first address exhaustion crisis hit the Internet technical community. The present solution, CIDR, will sustain the Internet for a few more years by making more efficient use of IP's existing 32-bit address space. For a more lasting solution, IETF is looking at IPv6 and its 128-bit address space, but CIDR is here to stay.
Crisis aside, the World Wide Web (WWW) has been one of Internet's most exciting recent developments. The idea of hypertext has been around for more than a decade, but in 1989 a team at the European Center for Particle Research (CERN) in Switzerland developed a set of protocols for transferring hypertext via the Internet. In the early 1990s it was enhanced by a team at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois - one of NSF's supercomputer centers. The result was NCSA Mosaic, a graphical, point-and-click hypertext browser that made Internet easy. The resulting explosion in "Web sites" drove the Internet into the public eye.

Mid 1990s - The New Internet

Of at least as much interest as Internet's technical progress in the 1990s has been its sociological progress. It has already become part of the national vocabulary, and seems headed for even greater prominence. It has been accepted by the business community, with a resulting explosion of service providers, consultants, books, and TV coverage. It has given birth to the Free Software Movement.
The Free Software Movement owes much to bulletin board systems, but really came into its own on the Internet, due to a combination of forces. The public nature of the Internet's early funding ensured that much of its networking software was non-proprietary. The emergence of anonymous FTP sites provided a distribution mechanism that almost anyone could use. Network newsgroups and mailing lists offered an open communication medium. Last but not least were individualists like Richard Stallman, who wrote EMACS, launched the GNU Project and founded the Free Software Foundation. In the 1990s, Linus Torvalds wrote Linux, the popular (and free) UNIX clone operating system.
    \begin{soapbox}
    The explosion of capitalist conservatism, combined with a growing awareness of Internet's business value, has led to major changes in the Internet community. Many of them have not been for the good.
    First, there seems to be a growing departure from Internet's history of open protocols, published as RFCs. Many new protocols are being developed in an increasingly proprietary manner. IGRP, a trademark of Cisco Systems, has the dubious distinction as the most successful proprietary Internet routing protocol, capable only of operation between Cisco routers. Other protocols, such as BGP, are published as RFCs, but with important operational details omitted. The notoriously mis-named Open Software Foundation has introduced a whole suite of "open" protocols whose specifications are available - for a price - and not on the net. I am forced to wonder: 1) why do we need a new RPC? and 2) why won't OSF tell us how it works?
    People forget that businesses have tried to run digital communications networks in the past. IBM and DEC both developed proprietary networking schemes that only ran on their hardware. Several information providers did very well for themselves in the 80s, including LEXIS/NEXIS, Dialog, and Dow Jones. Public data networks were constructed by companies like Tymnet and run into every major US city. CompuServe and others built large bulletin board-like systems. Many of these services still offer a quality and depth of coverage unparalleled on the Internet (examine Dialog if you are skeptical of this claim). But none of them offered nudie GIFs that anyone could download. None of them let you read through the RFCs and then write a Perl script to tweak the one little thing you needed to adjust. None of them gave birth to a Free Software Movement. None of them caught people's imagination.
    The very existence of the Free Software Movement is part of the Internet saga, because free software would not exist without the net. "Movements" tend to arise when progress offers us new freedoms and we find new ways to explore and, sometimes, to exploit them. The Free Software Movement has offered what would be unimaginable when the Internet was formed - games, editors, windowing systems, compilers, networking software, and even entire operating systems available for anyone who wants them, without licensing fees, with complete source code, and all you need is Internet access. It also offers challenges, forcing us to ask what changes are needed in our society to support these new freedoms that have touched so many people. And it offers chances at exploitation, from the businesses using free software development platforms for commercial code, to the Internet Worm and the security risks of open systems.
    People wonder whether progress is better served through government funding or private industry. The Internet defies the popular wisdom of "business is better". Both business and government tried to build large data communication networks in the 1980s. Business depended on good market decisions; the government researchers based their system on openness, imagination and freedom. Business failed; Internet succeeded. Our reward has been its commercialization.
    \end{soapbox}
For the next few years, the Internet will almost certainly be content-driven. Although new protocols are always under development, we have barely begun to explore the potential of just the existing ones. Chief among these is the World Wide Web, with its potential for simple on-line access to almost any information imaginable. Yet even as the Internet intrudes into society, remember that over the last two decades "The Net" has developed a culture of its own, one that may collide with society's. Already business is making its pitch to dominate the Internet. Already Congress has deemed it necessary to regulate the Web. The big questions loom unanswered: How will society change the Internet... and how will the Internet change society?
 
 
 

Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
'Behesti Jeor'  - S. Turkman, is a God fearing muslim with his own dogma !
He does not belong to any sect !!!!!!!!!!
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Good for you ....thanks for admitting  that you are a self-declared God Fearing person,
Only thing special with you  is that you have your own doctrine and you do not belong to
any sect. You, yourself being a staunch Mullah, you have the habit of  calling other Mullah as
and when necessary. You are a born muslim, you do not want to recant it, but reform to
fit your personal seeds ....
 
Initially I thought that you are a free thinker who believes that all religions are man made.
I was wrong about your true identity ..... You are not a rationalist but a man of faith and
have your own dogma.
 
I am not interested in your enlightened version of Islam or any other version of
Islam.
 
By the way, where did you find that "Internet is owned by US Government" ?
It is not...
As far as I know that no single organization or person owns the Web. CERN is the original home
for the World Wide Web (WWW) initiative, a cooperative organization that defines and supports the
programming languages and protocols that make up the Web. Other organizations throughout the
world also participate in developing components for the Web in cooperation with the World Wide Web
Initiative. In the United States, the current home of the World Wide Web Initiative is the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology (MIT). The Web is Distributed. No single site stores all the information available
over the Web. Each site that contributes resources to the Web stores that information on its own Web
server. This means that Web resources are distributed world wide.
 
So long and Bye !
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
On 1/8/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
No sir, how can I follow any sect of Islam against the orders of my God in Qoraan, when He is saying, "Kooloo wa tashraboo, wa laa taffarqqoo" (Treanslation: "Eat and Drink but do not cause division amongst you ...!"), in Quraan?
 
We have one God and are supposed to be one, not Shiyah, Soonni, Shiyah this or Sonnis that. We the ordinary people didn't create all these 73 Sects of Islam. The Molllaas did and we were so stupid that we followed them and divided ourselves being obedient to our those earthly gods instead of remembering, what God Himself had said in Qoraan speaking directly to us since we had stopped reading Qoraan and had started to hear it from their mouths without realizing that they were cheating because of their own abmbitions (which is a natural Psychological condition in all Humans, who want to be different and achieve some of their material of philosophical goals).
 
God in Qoran, the Prophet, the 1st 4 Caliphs had never authorized Government-paid permanant or full-time Imams or Clergy Heirarchy in any Mosques. Why was it?
 
Because His own Jewish Clergy Heirarchy had conspired to get Prophet Jesus or Eesau crucified. The Prophet that He had created without a father so, Humans could have more pure Prophet not interested in material greed or human love flesh and sex. Had he ever had sex in his life? Had he ever married? Had he ever taken money from anybody?
 
Our Mollaas do all that and call themselves 'SujjaaDah Nasheen' (the virtual descendents) of the prophets of God. Are they really, when even their living off Islam is illegal by words of God in Qoraan, the Prophet and 1st 4 Caliphs of Mohammadan Islam?
 
Doesn't Islam say, "Whoever gets up 1st to lead the prayer, can be an Imam" ...?
Then, how come you can not go in any of your Mosques and lead a Prayer?
I learnt that legally Imam of main Mosque of Delhi, who had abdicated for his younger brother had a son, who was an Aalim himself. When in Karachi, he once stood-up for people in his local Mosque to be an Imam and peformed the prayer for the people, who came in late, he was banned from the Mosque that he had been going to for decades.I haven't yet found under which law of Islam, which verse in Qoraan or which Hadith the local Imam had taken that action against him?
 
The Real problem are not us but guardians of our faith, who do not guide us to basics of Islam and keep collecting 'Koffaarah' Money from the biggest of Sinners of us to live-off happily. You can commit a fraud of 10 Crrores, pay one lakh to your Mollaa and feed a 100 people (sent to your Bungalow by the Mollaa) and all that money is legal and this is why Clergy was banned by God since all this is not Islam.
 
P.S.
You have posted this on Notun Bangla Internet Forum but I can't post it back on it anymore because Mollaa Moderator on that forum had banned me a few weeks ago for being Anti Mollaa since his Islam doesn't permit Free Speech though no Internet Forum of the world would have existed in this world if USA believed in that theory because Internet is owned by US Government.  
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a God-fearing Muslim with different interpretation.......
WRT: 
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Things are becoming clearer. You just another God Fearing Muslim who has
different interpretation of Islam !
 
What's your say on the role of Ulema in the day to day life of ordinary
powerless people:
(1) Teacher
(2)  Exacutive [as in Kohemeni's doctrine- Guardianship of the Jurist]
(3)  Executive [Local power figure - as in Taleban Afganistan]
(4)  Military Commender [In the Islamic State of Afganistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran,
      Mullahs have directly coordinated military operations
(5)  Role in judicature -
(6)  Advisory role
(7)  Preaching
(8)  Fatwabazi [As we see in rural south Asia ]
(9)  Ulema as authors
 
Do you have your own doctrine or follow one of the existing such as
Hanafi, Shâfi'î , Maliki, Hanbali, Druze ectc.
 
 
 
On 1/7/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
'Behesti Jeor' democracy?

I agree with you. We need a Reform in Islam. God never mention word '5 Pillars of Islam' in Qoraan. The Prophet never mentioned them. They were created by our Mollaas because they suited them best and not the Basics of Islam that He had given to Prophet Moses (Moosau) though they were repeated in Qoraan in a lot more detail than in 10 Commandments of Old Testament. The Basics of Islam are not 5 Pillars. The Basics are the following:
 
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
 
1. You shall not have other gods before me ...!
2. You shall not make graven images and bow down to them ...!
3. You shall not call my name in Vain ...!
4. Remember the Sabbath Day (the day of rest & Worship) ...!
5. Honor thy Parents ... !
6. You shall not Kill ...!
7. You shall not commit Adultery ...!
8. You shall not Steal ...!
9. You shall not bear false witness (or lie) ...!
10. You shall not covet (desire enviously, what belongs to somebody else) ...!
 
The No. 4 above was is missing in Qoraan because our day of worship wad Friday and Sabath means Saturday. These are the basics, not 5 Pillars, not the Rituals, not the traditions. Mollaas put all the emphasis on their 5 Pillars and do not put emphasis on the above plus other stuff that is supplemental to the above like Bribe Taking is same as stealing. Robbing is same as No. 10. Mis-use of power is same as stealing. Swindling and defrauding is also Stealing.

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