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Tuesday, January 8, 2008

[chottala.com] The Hilarious NRB Conf. At Dhaka Sheraton - Attention S. Turnman...

Sir, all my best wishes for taking promise to take care of Mollaa insugency in Bangladesh but let me inform you they openly say they are not like Taliban but this is their secret Agenda. They follow the tactics of 'Ikhwaan' of Egypt, who you find in Western Attire but their workers remain busy assassinating people, who oppose them in Egyptian Population. They even condemn such killings and killings of girls killed for not wearing 'Hijaab' in the press though their own members do that kind of stuff.
 
I support Musharraf because there's no other viable choice and you would have loved him yourself ...
*  if Bangladesh Per Capital Income was $ 540 in 1999 and now it was $ 843.
*  If Exports were $ 7 billion and now they were $ 14 billion.
*  If he had built over 117 Bridges, By Passes and Tunnels.
*  If he had made Stock Market Index rise 400 % since he took over.
*  If even your guy, who comes to your door selling Vegetables had a Mobile Phone.
 
MQM has been the only Non JaagirDaar Political Party of Asia for last two decades. Following are facts about MQM:
 
1. It made Mohajirs stop voting for JmaaTay Islami because its elected members in Assembly and Parliament had done nothing to abolish discriminatory laws of Pakistan against them.
2. It refused to accpet Millionaires as its members because all they had wanted was nomination of MQM to run for Parliament and Assembly.
3. It always issued Tickets to run for Parliament and Assembly to its ordinary educated workers, who proved to have leadership qualities without prejudice of race, religion, money background or ethnic backgroud. For Example: Farooq Sattar, a Bangla wearing a Beard became Mayor of Karachi on MQM Ticket, then a Minister and than Chief Minister of Sindh.
4. It has been named as a Treasonous Anti Islamic Terrorist Party because when Punjabi Pakistan Army's Rangers and Police had started looting houses of Mohajirs in Urban Sindh and raping their daughters the young Mohajirs could not be stopped from start attacking Police and Army Rangers just like MokTi Bhaayini of East Pakistanis. Would you have rather quietly taken rape of your sisters or daughters lying-down, sir?
5. Its the only party of Asian Countries that has largest number of Volunteer force for Social Work.
6. Its Volunteers can be seen directing traffic to reduce Traffic Jams in all big cities of Pakistan.
7. Its Volunteers help the Needy and Poor all over Pakistan without any Ethnic Prejudice with the money donated by mostly Urdu Speaking People in and outside Pakistan of whom some are Multi Millionaires or closer to be Billionaires in Dollars.
8. Its the only party of Asia that started Free Hospitals and Medical Clinics all over Pakistan and even in USA for people of its country.
9. Its the only party of Pakistan that had more Social Workers than even Govt. Social Workers in the Earthquake-struck part of Pakistan.
10. Its the party that had delivered Shiploads of aid for Earthquake Victims to Pakistan by Sea.
11. Since 2 Assemblymen had died in Earthquake victims of Earthquake had elected 2 local ordinary but educated local people with leadership qualities to replace them on MQM Ticket.
12. Its larger party of Pakistan than all Religious Parties combined with more than 460 candidates running on its ticket from all over Pakistan though it had started as a very small ethnic party.
 
Now tell me, which Political Party of Bangladesh has a record to match even 1/4th qualities of MQM?
Which of Bangla Political Parties have half a million Volunteer Workers?
Which one of them has started Social Welfare Wing?
Which one of them has started free Charitable Hospitals?
Which one of them has free Medical Clinics in the country and abroad for Bangla people?
Which one of them had more Social Workers than Govt. Social Workers for victims of recent Cyclone?
Which one of them has supplied shipload of Humanitarian Aid for Cyclone Victims?
 
MQM doesn't believe in propaganda or expelling lies against it in Media, Press or Internet. It just keeps doing good deeds and keeps winning more and more seats in Assemblies and Parliament of Pakistan because it know, truth prevails, not lies.   

Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Mr S. Turkman
 
Your  comments are out of context.  It is very  clear that you are lecturing 
like a Tabligi Jamat  without reading the actual article by Mr. S. Ahmed. What's
your problem? Don't you understand plain English? Take your time, read it
again, and again and again .... Mr. S. Ahmed's views have nothing to do with
the things you are taliking about..... 
 
Don't mix up apples and oranges .... We Bangladeshis know how to combat
the Islamists and the Fakes like you who does not know the basics of
debate in a  civilized forum . . We have taught the Islamists a good lesson
once in 1971 and we will teach them another lesson once again ...and this
time we will kill the snake for good so that it can not rise again to spread
its venoms on our people.
 
You have already exposed yourself as an apologist for Pak-President Musarraff
and it's MQM supporter. Please don't try entertain us with your half-backed
egg plants.
 
We, Bangladeshis know what to do. Obviously, you don't know much about the
NRB conference that was held in Dhaka last December ..... We have difference in
openions .... but we always agree to disagree ....
 
Mr. S. Ahmed is a great rational thinker. Don't try to demean him
through your innuendoes.......and slanders ....
 
Solong  & Bye !
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 1/8/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Shun path of West?
That's right, too many of us are not wearing Beards. Too many of us are wearing Pants and getting English Style Haircuts. Look at necks of most of us ...! Neck is fully exposed, no hair. Who says this is not path of the West?
Almost everybody is using Tooth Brush instead of 'Miswaak' also. Not many cover their heads. Too many of us know English instead of Arabic. We believe in Western style Democracy, Freedom of Speech, Civil Rights, Human Rights instead of believing in Caliphate System. We are not collecting Protection Money or 'JiZiyah' Tax of Qoraan from our Non Moslims either. All this is also Path of the West.
 
We have to go back to 7th Century or at least Horse, Bull Cart and Kerosene Lamp Days so our Mollaas can become our absolute Rulers and Islam's 2nd age of Glory can start. ... Allaho Akbar ...!
 
 
Syed Aslam < Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis'- The Hilarious Conferenence of The NRBs At Dhaka Sheraton Hotel

Thursday January 03 2008 20:18:11 PM BDT

 
By S. Ahmad, Bangladesh

How much useful the recent all well (?) meant NRBs pompous meeting at posh Sheraton hotel in Dhaka could be for Bangladesh that I do not know but I can easily see the hollowness of utterances by many distinguished "Lecturers" of this gathering. 'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis' cried someone. But how and for what we need to do that nobody advised and for that matter none ever mentioned what there is in Bangladesh that one could be proud of. Bangladesh is a poor country ruled by thieves and humbugs from its very inception and the same scenario is continuing even today. Her past was dark, a subservient and poor converted Muslims people in a primitive society dominated by a degenerated and equally false but proud Hindus since the 19th century. Before that we were just untouchable converted Muslims to the Turkish, Afghan or Iranian rulers whose religion happened to be Islam.

Do we need to feel ashamed to admit that? No, I do not. I keep my head high as long as my forefathers or I have done no harm to anybody or caused distress to any individual or a group in any way. Why we need to be proud or be ashamed of being Bangladeshis? Why can't we be just simple Bangladeshi looking after our own good? And for that matter why should we shun the path of West? Should not we learn honesty, science and technology, art and literature and all that is good in the West or for that matter anywhere on earth? I admit that everything that is West is not good, some of the Western things we may reject out rightly and without any hesitation but there are many things in the West we need to learn and adopt and without which we can not even survive.

Those NRBs attending the gathering are also Western products and without Western education and training, and most importantly Western culture, they are nothing and they have nothing to offer to Bangladesh. Look at their dress, people seating on the dais, what sort of dress they were putting on? Dr. Kamal Hossain, can you live without a suit even in high summer in Bangladesh?

I do not echo Nirad Chowdhury when he said, "all that was good and living within us was made, shaped and quickened by the same British rule" but the fact is, for sure, not just the saying of a fool and the same way we can say like him that all that can uplift us is available in the West and our contact with the West is for our own survival only. West does not need us for anything. I do not say "Shut-up you hypocrites, don't talk nonsense" to those self-appointed distinguished "Lecturers" but I would not be surprised if some one says so. Is this gathering for any good to Bangladesh or just an exhibition of self importance of some individuals? To whom they talk seating in a posh hotel room in a Western environment and condemning the same West they represent? There should be a limit of idiotic pronunciations.

"Expatriate Bangladeshis called for an end to the existing political culture and attitude, and restoration of the traditional values of serving the community". What is new in their call? We hear such call every day and how to end the existing political culture and corruption nobody could tell us as yet. And what are our traditional values in Bangladesh? When and who ever served anybody in Bangladesh except himself or herself? We need not minimize or dishonour a very few in our society who were and are still honest but their numbers are very few and that makes there talks just nonsense chitchat. What Bangladesh needs is an honest government, rule of law and no self-appointed, self-serving foreign or local advisers.

"Shunning the materialistic path of the West, the people of Bangladesh need to nurture and uphold their own values" they said on the second day of the three-day conference of NRBs.

Western path is not only the materialistic path as these people say forgetting that they run away from Bangladesh to get those materialistic things they shamelessly dare to condemn now. How many of you would like to give up your foreign passports and get back to Bangladesh to become imam of a mosque, a corrupt bureaucrat or a thief politician, sirs?

"A good leadership is essentially dynamic and it allows individuals' potentials to find room for utilisation" said Dr. Kamal Hossain whose business is to seat in every dais on every occasion and offer his wise counsel. Advice is free, Dr. Hossain knows it well but he lives as an absentee landowner and would never admit that absentee land owners are the number one enemies of Bangladesh. Should he not give-up all her lands and encourage other to do so as an honest adviser to the nation?

"People yarn for contributing to their country, not passive and second class subjects, people need to be truly empowered citizens" , Dr. Hossain and the eminent jurist (?) continued, "people should have the right to choose their leadership which will listen to them, involve them in decision-making and empower them properly". "Yes, yes Sir, did he ever pass this advice to Mujib when you were his first lieutenant and a trusted adviser? Why you talk all these high sounding things now, Mr. eminent jurist? What was your role in BAKSAL formation? What good you have done to Bangladesh until today?

The most amusing thing was said by Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury when he said that "non-resident Bangladeshis are often privileged to have the highest level of education and exposure to cultures where education is an end in itself, not a means to a job". What does it mean, Mr. Adviser? You may not understand but the reality is far from the truth especially for the NBRs. Of course, that we can not say about NRBs who have no education from their adopted country and are engaged in business like restaurants or working at petrol stations. "NRBs and their children can volunteer to help train our teachers, especially to teach English", the adviser suggested. But is it a feasible suggestion? And how and why shall NRBs children do that job? Are they qualified English teachers? Is teaching such a simple job, dear Sir? Or, will the NRBs IT experts will come to Bangladesh and work on Bangladesh salary? Is there anybody to do that?

Bangladesh's Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossain said the second generation NRBs should come back and actively get engaged in business, development and politics.

That is a good suggestion but what response he got? How many he found to give up their foreign passports to "get engaged in business, development and politics" in Bangladesh?

The simple fact is the future of Bangladesh's remains in the hands of the Bangladeshi people who live and ready to die in Bangladesh. Hardly any good can come from those who run away from the country. They would be the larks of the summer if Bangladesh ever gets any summer and all those talks are nothing but nonsense chitchats. It is a pity that people put so much weight on these sorts of useless conferences.

I said before, the future of Bangladesh lies in the hands of the Bangladeshi people and not on those who found their paradises in foreign countries. Those NRBs with foreign passports I strongly suggest that they stay where they are and if they can do small things for us please do it quietly. If your patriotism is still bubbling, through away your foreign passports, come home and live with us and do anything good that you can with us and together. No more conference please and no more advice!


S. Ahmad, Chittagong, Bangladesh
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[chottala.com] 'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a god fearing muslim with different interpretation

No sir, how can I follow any sect of Islam against the orders of my God in Qoraan, when He is saying, "Kooloo wa tashraboo, wa laa taffarqqoo" (Treanslation: "Eat and Drink but do not cause division amongst you ...!"), in Quraan?
 
We have one God and are supposed to be one, not Shiyah, Soonni, Shiyah this or Sonnis that. We the ordinary people didn't create all these 73 Sects of Islam. The Molllaas did and we were so stupid that we followed them and divided ourselves being obedient to our those earthly gods instead of remembering, what God Himself had said in Qoraan speaking directly to us since we had stopped reading Qoraan and had started to hear it from their mouths without realizing that they were cheating because of their own abmbitions (which is a natural Psychological condition in all Humans, who want to be different and achieve some of their material of philosophical goals).
 
God in Qoran, the Prophet, the 1st 4 Caliphs had never authorized Government-paid permanant or full-time Imams or Clergy Heirarchy in any Mosques. Why was it?
 
Because His own Jewish Clergy Heirarchy had conspired to get Prophet Jesus or Eesau crucified. The Prophet that He had created without a father so, Humans could have more pure Prophet not interested in material greed or human love flesh and sex. Had he ever had sex in his life? Had he ever married? Had he ever taken money from anybody?
 
Our Mollaas do all that and call themselves 'SujjaaDah Nasheen' (the virtual descendents) of the prophets of God. Are they really, when even their living off Islam is illegal by words of God in Qoraan, the Prophet and 1st 4 Caliphs of Mohammadan Islam?
 
Doesn't Islam say, "Whoever gets up 1st to lead the prayer, can be an Imam" ...?
Then, how come you can not go in any of your Mosques and lead a Prayer?
I learnt that legally Imam of main Mosque of Delhi, who had abdicated for his younger brother had a son, who was an Aalim himself. When in Karachi, he once stood-up for people in his local Mosque to be an Imam and peformed the prayer for the people, who came in late, he was banned from the Mosque that he had been going to for decades.I haven't yet found under which law of Islam, which verse in Qoraan or which Hadith the local Imam had taken that action against him?
 
The Real problem are not us but guardians of our faith, who do not guide us to basics of Islam and keep collecting 'Koffaarah' Money from the biggest of Sinners of us to live-off happily. You can commit a fraud of 10 Crrores, pay one lakh to your Mollaa and feed a 100 people (sent to your Bungalow by the Mollaa) and all that money is legal and this is why Clergy was banned by God since all this is not Islam.
 
P.S.
You have posted this on Notun Bangla Internet Forum but I can't post it back on it anymore because Mollaa Moderator on that forum had banned me a few weeks ago for being Anti Mollaa since his Islam doesn't permit Free Speech though no Internet Forum of the world would have existed in this world if USA believed in that theory because Internet is owned by US Government.  
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a God-fearing Muslim with different interpretation.......
WRT: 
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Things are becoming clearer. You just another God Fearing Muslim who has
different interpretation of Islam !
 
What's your say on the role of Ulema in the day to day life of ordinary
powerless people:
(1) Teacher
(2)  Exacutive [as in Kohemeni's doctrine- Guardianship of the Jurist]
(3)  Executive [Local power figure - as in Taleban Afganistan]
(4)  Military Commender [In the Islamic State of Afganistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran,
      Mullahs have directly coordinated military operations
(5)  Role in judicature -
(6)  Advisory role
(7)  Preaching
(8)  Fatwabazi [As we see in rural south Asia ]
(9)  Ulema as authors
 
Do you have your own doctrine or follow one of the existing such as
Hanafi, Shâfi'î , Maliki, Hanbali, Druze ectc.
 
 
 
On 1/7/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
'Behesti Jeor' democracy?

I agree with you. We need a Reform in Islam. God never mention word '5 Pillars of Islam' in Qoraan. The Prophet never mentioned them. They were created by our Mollaas because they suited them best and not the Basics of Islam that He had given to Prophet Moses (Moosau) though they were repeated in Qoraan in a lot more detail than in 10 Commandments of Old Testament. The Basics of Islam are not 5 Pillars. The Basics are the following:
 
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
 
1. You shall not have other gods before me ...!
2. You shall not make graven images and bow down to them ...!
3. You shall not call my name in Vain ...!
4. Remember the Sabbath Day (the day of rest & Worship) ...!
5. Honor thy Parents ... !
6. You shall not Kill ...!
7. You shall not commit Adultery ...!
8. You shall not Steal ...!
9. You shall not bear false witness (or lie) ...!
10. You shall not covet (desire enviously, what belongs to somebody else) ...!
 
The No. 4 above was is missing in Qoraan because our day of worship wad Friday and Sabath means Saturday. These are the basics, not 5 Pillars, not the Rituals, not the traditions. Mollaas put all the emphasis on their 5 Pillars and do not put emphasis on the above plus other stuff that is supplemental to the above like Bribe Taking is same as stealing. Robbing is same as No. 10. Mis-use of power is same as stealing. Swindling and defrauding is also Stealing.


Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@...> wrote:

Q: Can you please define Islam for me?
A: 1. Pronouncing Sahadah
2. Following 5 pillars
Now you are a muslim - as simple as that!

The Deobondi Islam which stress heavily on rituals
like Salat, Ramadan, Hajj etc. But they ignore the
plea for knowledge of the nature or mankind or our
souls. No wonder Muslims are back pedaling than moving
forward.

Those Mullahs of Deobondi wrote an excellent book of
blind ignorance named - 'Behesti Jeor'. You can get
every potion of your problem in that book here or
hereafter. Everyday, millions of Muslims blowing on a
glass of water with those verses from 'Behesti Jeor'
for the cure of their disease and for their problem.

No wonder last 100 years, there were not a significant
Muslim Scientists, Nobel laureate or inventions. We
could not send any Muslim in the moon yet, though
there are lot of verses in Quran about the
infiniteness of universe & Solar system.

We do not really understand and embrace our faith, we
merely follow some rituals prescribed by Mullahs.
Today, Muslims largely believe in some Islamic
symbolism than the real faith. So, we never grow faith
in ourselves, we blindly follow some rituals.

This is so wrong!

If you look at the life of Prophet and early verses of
Quran, it's all about instilling faith. There are lots
of science in those verses about the universe, solar
system and formation of life from a single cell
mutation.

What Islam need today is a revival of Intellectual
divinity and a reality check with modernity.

We need to do some serious soul searching, otherwise,
we are at the peril of extinction!

Peace,

--- ahmedsohail siddiqui
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Re: [chottala.com] The present CTG is advised to make a system for selecting an advisors panel & for providing training to make the people of advisors panel as an efficient advisor & to be a good advisor after collecting by written test & verbal interview from though out the country to appoint in the post of advisor of the care taker government when it needs for getting more efficient advisor by changing or by replacing the efficient advisor in place of inefficient advisor. Empty vassels sound much:Mr Inu, can u say,who killed Kazi Aref? why his wife quit JSD immidiatly after the killing?

The present CTG is advised to make a system for selecting an advisors panel & for providing training to make the people of advisors panel as an efficient advisor & to be a good advisor after collecting by written test & verbal interview from though out the country to appoint in the post of advisor of the care taker government when it needs for getting more efficient advisor by changing or by replacing the efficient advisor in place of inefficient advisor.
Because
This CTG has required to do a lot works including reforming trialing developing & other so many works according the demands from the various corners of the country & Bangali & Bangladeshi people who are living in abroad through out the world before conducting fair & neutral election.
For conducting fair & neutral election it needs in Bangladesh to create a system to learn for knowing what is real democracy & what is real politics to make lawful system of democracy for doing lawful system of politics with wise knowledge & wisdom for doing welfare works to the people of Bangladesh for it needs to provide nation quality education for learning how to create quality educated quality politicians for lawful system of quality democratic political party administration for making quality rules & laws as quality law makers for making lawful system of quality administration in the country for making lawful system of quality Judicial Procedures to establish lawful justice in the country for making lawful system for creating quality planers quality executers to build the country for making quality educated people in their respective working fields to make success according quality plan.
So this CTG will continue until & unless fair politicians are created to conduct fair & neutral election.


"Md. Aminul Islam" <aminul_islam_raj@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
             there are many political parties in our country.The conspirators against our country impose much importance on some so called political parties having no base in peoples of this country.Even they are invited in conspirators function to say about peoples right and national policy.
Mr Hasanul Hoque Inu in president of JSD.This part had no Representative in last parliament.
Some times we see that Mr inu or this type people is given more importance than leaders popular parties.
When Inu was Secretary of this party president Kazi  Aref was killed along with 4 others in Kustia.Mr Inu is also from Kustia, But he was not present in the Meeting .After the killing Aref's wife quited THE JSD.Relatives of others killed in the incident  suspect Mr Inu for the mastermind behind that.
So my question is Mr Inu, can u say,who killed Kazi Aref? why his wife quit JSD immediately after the killing?

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[chottala.com] Please STOP throwing mud to others

Dear All,

Please STOP it; we need to do something better than throwing mud to
others.

Respectfully,
Emarat Hossain Pannah
.....................


--- "Mr. Abul" <abuilla@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Aminul Islam,
>
> What happens if they play cards?? Why are you talking about such a
> silly matter??
>
> For example, you went to toilet this morning before saying your
> prayer, does it mean that you are a KAFER as you are giving more
> importance on your poop that your religion??
>
> I think you are an insane, perverted, illiterate, sick minded
> person. I won't be surprised if you are connected to a terrorist
> group.
>
> Everybody Else,
>
> Please stay away from this kind of sick people. They are the
> enemies of our country.
>
> -MA
>
> "Md. Aminul Islam" <aminul_islam_raj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dear all,
> Major Jalil in his Book " Orokkhito Sadhinotai
> Poradhinota" said one day he was in kolkata to meet the prime
> minister of interim govt. he was astonished to see that the prime
> minister and members are playing cards ,Foreign minister Mustaq was
> absent there.
> So I think Khander Mustak was a real patriot. who loved his
> country and people.
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[chottala.com] 'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a god fearing muslim with different interpretation

 
'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a god fearing muslim with different interpretation.......
WRT: 
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Things are becoming clearer. You just another God Fearing Muslim who has
different interpretation of Islam !
 
What's your say on the role of Ulema in the day to day life of ordinary
powerless people:
(1) Teacher
(2)  Exacutive [as in Kohemeni's doctrine- Guardianship of the Jurist]
(3)  Executive [Local power figure - as in Taleban Afganistan]
(4)  Military Commender [In the Islamic State of Afganistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran,
      Mullahs have directly coordinated military operations
(5)  Role in judicature -
(6)  Advisory role
(7)  Preaching
(8)  Fatwabazi [As we see in rural south Asia ]
(9)  Ulema as authors
 
Do you have your own doctrine or follow one of the existing such as
Hanafi, Shāfi'ī , Maliki, Hanbali, Druze ectc.
 
 
 
On 1/7/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
'Behesti Jeor' democracy?

I agree with you. We need a Reform in Islam. God never mention word '5 Pillars of Islam' in Qoraan. The Prophet never mentioned them. They were created by our Mollaas because they suited them best and not the Basics of Islam that He had given to Prophet Moses (Moosau) though they were repeated in Qoraan in a lot more detail than in 10 Commandments of Old Testament. The Basics of Islam are not 5 Pillars. The Basics are the following:
 
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
 
1. You shall not have other gods before me ...!
2. You shall not make graven images and bow down to them ...!
3. You shall not call my name in Vain ...!
4. Remember the Sabbath Day (the day of rest & Worship) ...!
5. Honor thy Parents ... !
6. You shall not Kill ...!
7. You shall not commit Adultery ...!
8. You shall not Steal ...!
9. You shall not bear false witness (or lie) ...!
10. You shall not covet (desire enviously, what belongs to somebody else) ...!
 
The No. 4 above was is missing in Qoraan because our day of worship wad Friday and Sabath means Saturday. These are the basics, not 5 Pillars, not the Rituals, not the traditions. Mollaas put all the emphasis on their 5 Pillars and do not put emphasis on the above plus other stuff that is supplemental to the above like Bribe Taking is same as stealing. Robbing is same as No. 10. Mis-use of power is same as stealing. Swindling and defrauding is also Stealing.
 

Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@...> wrote:

Q: Can you please define Islam for me?
A: 1. Pronouncing Sahadah
2. Following 5 pillars
Now you are a muslim - as simple as that!

The Deobondi Islam which stress heavily on rituals
like Salat, Ramadan, Hajj etc. But they ignore the
plea for knowledge of the nature or mankind or our
souls. No wonder Muslims are back pedaling than moving
forward.

Those Mullahs of Deobondi wrote an excellent book of
blind ignorance named - 'Behesti Jeor'. You can get
every potion of your problem in that book here or
hereafter. Everyday, millions of Muslims blowing on a
glass of water with those verses from 'Behesti Jeor'
for the cure of their disease and for their problem.

No wonder last 100 years, there were not a significant
Muslim Scientists, Nobel laureate or inventions. We
could not send any Muslim in the moon yet, though
there are lot of verses in Quran about the
infiniteness of universe & Solar system.

We do not really understand and embrace our faith, we
merely follow some rituals prescribed by Mullahs.
Today, Muslims largely believe in some Islamic
symbolism than the real faith. So, we never grow faith
in ourselves, we blindly follow some rituals.

This is so wrong!

If you look at the life of Prophet and early verses of
Quran, it's all about instilling faith. There are lots
of science in those verses about the universe, solar
system and formation of life from a single cell
mutation.

What Islam need today is a revival of Intellectual
divinity and a reality check with modernity.

We need to do some serious soul searching, otherwise,
we are at the peril of extinction!

Peace,

--- ahmedsohail siddiqui
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[chottala.com] Re: [Sonar Bangladesh] Maj (Rtd) Jalil saw "Tajuddin with his cabinet except Mustaq playing cards in colkata during liberation" is it believeable?

Dear Aminul Islam,
 
What happens if they play cards??  Why are you talking about such a silly matter??
 
For example, you went to toilet this morning before saying your prayer, does it mean that you are a KAFER as you are giving more importance on your poop that your religion??
 
I think you are an insane, perverted, illiterate, sick minded person.  I won't be surprised if you are connected to a terrorist group.
 
Everybody Else,
 
Please stay away from this kind of sick people.  They are the enemies of our country.
 
-MA

"Md. Aminul Islam" <aminul_islam_raj@yahoo.com> wrote:
dear all,
           Major Jalil in his Book " Orokkhito Sadhinotai Poradhinota" said one day he was in kolkata to meet the prime minister of interim govt. he was astonished to see that the prime minister and members are playing  cards ,Foreign minister Mustaq was absent there.
So I think Khander Mustak was a real patriot. who  loved his country and people.

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[chottala.com] Re: [khabor.com] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Khandakar Mushtaq, my neighbour in Aga Masih Lane -Salahuddin Ayubi !

Dear Mr.Salahuddin Ayubi
 
Thanks for admitting that  you regret the breakup
of Pakistan, in essense, the Liberation of  Bangladesh.
 
Just wait few more years to see how many more pieces
your favorite Islamic Republic of Pakistan breaks into.
Pakistan's time is up .....you can see total  collapse of Pakistan
in the horizon ....
 
Clearly,  you would like to be a Tolpibahak, a Bootlicker,
an Ass-kisser of Pakistan. You are are not alone .....
Even today, there are few people spearheading the agenda
of Pakistan, and doing so by various ways of deceptions.
These people have forgotton the lesson they (I mean,
their predecessors) have  learned in 1971.
 
No matter, how much you and your  cohorts try to appreciate him,
for the people of Bangladesh Khondoker Mustaq is the Mirzafor
of Twentieth Century. He has already been thrown into the dustbin
of history.
 
Syed Aslam
 
Salahuddin Ayubi <ayubi_s786@yahoo.com >
Dear Mr. Aslam,
To your question my answer is
affirmative
. In hind sight if you look at the
realities, you will observe that we are in fact a
subservient state (Tolpibahak) of India. Had we come
to a political settlement with Pakistan on our terms
then we surely would not have been a Bharatio
tolpibahok. I hope you see my point.
Salahuddin Ayubi
 
On 1/7/08, ROBERT GONSALVES <rgonsalves29@verizon.net> wrote:

Ayubi:
You are nothing but 'crazy'. Pakistani generals would never allow us to speak in 'Bangla' in Sheik Mujib and we would lose in freeing the country from the clutches of the west.  These generals with the help of their agents had started incorporating urdu into bangla and time would come when our next generation would speak half bangla and the rest urdu in communication. There were politicians who had already announced in 1950s that bangla is the language of Hindus not of  Muslims. During the liberation war one fine morning I was traveling from Dhaka to Chittagong by air. One 'Kolkata bihari' who sat next to me argued with the air hostess, "Aplok urdu paper kyuu nahi rakhte ?"  The hostess humbly said that she would refer his demand to the higher authority. By the by, Ayubi, are you an agent in disguise working for Pakistan ?
The Khans of Dhaka South


Salahuddin Ayubi <ayubi_s786@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aslam,
To your question my answer is
affirmative. In hind sight if you look at the
realities, you will observe that we are in fact a
subservient state (Tolpibahak) of India. Had we come
to a political settlement with Pakistan on our terms
then we surely would not have been a Bharatio
tolpibahok. I hope you see my point.
Salahuddin Ayubi

--- "Md. Aminul Islam" < aminul_islam_raj@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sayed Aslam,
> Do you think us boy of
> yesterday? Why do you try blame a hero of war of
> liberation? late Mustaq Ahmed was a true patriot,a
> successful politician,great organizer of liberation
> war, foreign minister of the exile mujibnagar govt
> and also a successful president
> .His contribution in liberation war is beyond any
> controversy
> Those who want to distort the glorious history of
> our liberation may say many false story against our
> hero's , without documentary evidence
>
> Syed Aslam < Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Ayubi
>
> Would it have made you much happier if your
> neighbor Khandakar Mustaq succeeded in his
> treacherous maneuvers for political settlement with
> Pakistan with the blessings of Henry Kissinger?
>
> [Readers : Details of Mostak's anti liberation
> conspiracies has been exposed in the book
> Muldhara-71, Moyeedul Hasan, University Press
> Limited, Dhaka).
>
> On 1/6/08, ayubi_s786 <ayubi_s786@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> During the liberation war Khandakar Mushtaq, my
> neighbour in Aga Masih Lane , did antagonise the
> Indian government by meeting the officials of the US
> mission in Calcutta to discuss about political
> settlement with Pakistan. This infuriated the Indian
> government so much so that they had to tell our
> government in exile not to meet any foreign mission
> personnel without prior permission from the Indian
> government.Sheikh Mujib and Khandakar Mushtaq were
> contemporaries and close friends and at the same
> time
> adversaries too i.e they ad love hate
> relationship.While Mushtaq was sly and street smart
> besides being
> able administrator Mujib was brash, brave and knew
> the pulse of the people. The history will determine
> the
> status of these two individuals on the basis of
> their performances.
> --- "Md. Aminul Islam" < aminul_islam_raj@...
> wrote:
>
> Dear sayed aslam,
> I don't know much about the great leader and
> foreign minister of acting govt of Bangladesh which
> lead the liberation war of Bangladesh Khondoker
> Mustak Ahmed. After Liberation he was duly honored
> By Sheikh
> Mujib.He was very important minister in in
> Mujib's cabinet. But India was not happy with
> him.As he did not
> agree with India on farakka issue.So Mujib gave
> him another port folio. He played a vital role in
> the war of our
> Independence as the foreign minister of acting
> govt
>
> Syed Aslam < Syed.Aslam3@... wrote:
> Re: [khabor.com ] "Greatest Patriot"
> Khandaker Mostak! Mr. Aminul Islam Raj, what do
> you
> say?
>
> Khandaker Mostak
>
> [Kissinger on Khandeker Mostak group: "we
> established contact with the Bangladesh people in
> Calcutta, and during August, September and October
> of this year, no fewer than eight such contacts took
> place. We approached Yahya Khan three times in
> order to begin negotiations with the Bangladeshi
> people in alcutta. The government of Pakistan
> accepted." :Congressional Records, December 9,
> 1971, P:45735 ]
>
> The uncouth but treacherous disciple of Jinnah,
> the founder of the so-called Islamic state,
> Pakistan. But lacking Jinnah's education and
> grooming, Khandaker Mostak, had been used as a dupe
> by the imperialist forces who exploited his naked
> political ambition. Due to his unenlightened
> character and opportunist bent of mind, Mostak was
> more machiavellian than Jinnah. Although Jinnah
> (personally secular) used Islam to compete with
> Nehru (he could never be the premier of India) and
> instigated communal riots to achieve his political
> goals, he did not involve in the murder of his
> political colleagues. Whereas Mostak not only
> nipped in the bud the mainstream secular politics
> in Bangladesh but also ruthlessly murdered his
> political colleagues to perpetuate political
> recession into Islamic medievalism. During the
> liberation war, Mostak opposed by all means the
> independence of Bangladesh: he tried to subvert
> the provisional government from within as
> well as the war of independence through conspiracy
> in alliance with the vicious representatives of
> imperialism: the CIA and Henry Kissinger. He
> instigated all the top Awami league leaders to
> undermine and remove Taj Uddin Ahmed from the head
> of the provisional government and the leader of the
> liberation war. Mostak was also the saboteur of
> democracy after the military coup of 1975 backed by
> the anti-liberation forces from within and CIA and
> Henri Kissinger from without. An arch hypocrite
> Mostak always maintained a shoddy Islamic
> appearance to veil his essentially venomous
> nature. His religious pretense could not fool Taj
> Uddin Ahmed. Taj Uddin Ahmed, competent statesman
> as he was, had the political acumen to quash all of
> Mostak's destructive plots in order to subvert
> Bangalees' struggle for independence ( for details
> of Mostak's anti liberation conspiracies see
> Muldhara-71, Maidul Hasan, UPL). As long as
> Tajuddin had the leadership Mostak
> could not apply his venoms in the political
> spheres of the liberating Bangladesh. All he did
> was secretly plant his poison tree. But as soon as
> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman took over, he directly fell
> under the spell of Mostak's witchcraft: his
> sycophancy, his Islamic pretenses. The tragedy of
> Sk Mujib's life was the tragedy of desertion. Away
> from the most crucial nine months of struggling
> Bangladesh, Sk Mujib, the invincible nationalist
> leader, was unaware of the venomous cobras hidden
> in the top echelon of his cabinet. Sk Mujib's
> greatest political blunder was his progressive
> distance from Tajuddin and the secular politicians
> of his ministry since his political take over. He
> never asked Tajuddin how the war was won and who
> were the friends and foes of the nascent
> Bangladesh. For the next four years the vicious
> Mostak group took Sk Mujib away from his real
> comrades at arms who fought all their lives for the
> same cause as his: free the Bangalees from
> the colonial repression. The more Sk Mujib
> deserted Tajuddin and his colleagues and associates
> the more he lost his popularity, the more he went
> away from the hearts of the Banglaees. In 1975 when
> Sk Mujib almost lost everything he stood for in
> 1969 and completely isolated from the sources of
> his political power, the people, and surrounded
> only by the sycophants and hypocrites: Mostak
> inflicted his deadly blows. Mostak's henchmen
> killed Sk Mujib, his family including his eight
> year son Russell, his pregnant daughter-in-laws,
> and relatives. Mostak did not stop in crushing the
> icon of Bangalee freedom (Sk Mujib) he ruthlessly
> murdered all the key figures for the independence of
> Bangladesh (and his political colleagues for last
> 15 years) in Dhaka Central Jail: Mostak killed
> all the key figures involved in liberating
> Bangladesh from Pakistan as part of his vicious
> scheme to make a virtual Pakistan out of
> independent Bangladesh . He restored the
> pro-Pakistani (Islamic) state machinery and set the
> ideology for the Muslim oligharchists: the army,
> the bureaucracy and the Mohajirs (Muslim settlers
> from India after 1947) Mostak will forever be
> condemned as the enactor of one the most inhuman
> ordinances in history: The Indemnity ordinance of
> 1975. Thismonstrous ordinance constitutionally
> endorses the murderers of Sk Mujibur Rahman, his
> family, relatives and top four national leaders in
> Dhaka Central Jail. This ordinance also secured the
> hegemony of the anti-liberation forces for few
> decades and underscored Bangladeshi constitution as
> the most inhuman charter.
> Kissinger on Khandeker Mostak group: "we
> established contact with the Bangladesh people in
> Calcutta, and during August, September and October
> of this year,
> no fewer than eight such contacts took place. We
> approached Yahya Khan three times in order to begin
> negotiations with the Bangladeshi people in
> Calcutta. The government of Pakistan accepted."
> :Congressional Records, December 9, 1971, P:45735
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[chottala.com] The Hilarious Conferenence of The NRBs At Dhaka Sheraton Hotel [ Some points to ponder!]

'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis'- The Hilarious Conferenence of The NRBs At Dhaka Sheraton Hotel

Thursday January 03 2008 20:18:11 PM BDT

 
By S. Ahmad, Bangladesh

How much useful the recent all well (?) meant NRBs pompous meeting at posh Sheraton hotel in Dhaka could be for Bangladesh that I do not know but I can easily see the hollowness of utterances by many distinguished "Lecturers" of this gathering. 'Shun path of West, be proud Bangladeshis' cried someone. But how and for what we need to do that nobody advised and for that matter none ever mentioned what there is in Bangladesh that one could be proud of. Bangladesh is a poor country ruled by thieves and humbugs from its very inception and the same scenario is continuing even today. Her past was dark, a subservient and poor converted Muslims people in a primitive society dominated by a degenerated and equally false but proud Hindus since the 19th century. Before that we were just untouchable converted Muslims to the Turkish, Afghan or Iranian rulers whose religion happened to be Islam.

Do we need to feel ashamed to admit that? No, I do not. I keep my head high as long as my forefathers or I have done no harm to anybody or caused distress to any individual or a group in any way. Why we need to be proud or be ashamed of being Bangladeshis? Why can't we be just simple Bangladeshi looking after our own good? And for that matter why should we shun the path of West? Should not we learn honesty, science and technology, art and literature and all that is good in the West or for that matter anywhere on earth? I admit that everything that is West is not good, some of the Western things we may reject out rightly and without any hesitation but there are many things in the West we need to learn and adopt and without which we can not even survive.

Those NRBs attending the gathering are also Western products and without Western education and training, and most importantly Western culture, they are nothing and they have nothing to offer to Bangladesh. Look at their dress, people seating on the dais, what sort of dress they were putting on? Dr. Kamal Hossain, can you live without a suit even in high summer in Bangladesh?

I do not echo Nirad Chowdhury when he said, "all that was good and living within us was made, shaped and quickened by the same British rule" but the fact is, for sure, not just the saying of a fool and the same way we can say like him that all that can uplift us is available in the West and our contact with the West is for our own survival only. West does not need us for anything. I do not say "Shut-up you hypocrites, don't talk nonsense" to those self-appointed distinguished "Lecturers" but I would not be surprised if some one says so. Is this gathering for any good to Bangladesh or just an exhibition of self importance of some individuals? To whom they talk seating in a posh hotel room in a Western environment and condemning the same West they represent? There should be a limit of idiotic pronunciations.

"Expatriate Bangladeshis called for an end to the existing political culture and attitude, and restoration of the traditional values of serving the community". What is new in their call? We hear such call every day and how to end the existing political culture and corruption nobody could tell us as yet. And what are our traditional values in Bangladesh? When and who ever served anybody in Bangladesh except himself or herself? We need not minimize or dishonour a very few in our society who were and are still honest but their numbers are very few and that makes there talks just nonsense chitchat. What Bangladesh needs is an honest government, rule of law and no self-appointed, self-serving foreign or local advisers.

"Shunning the materialistic path of the West, the people of Bangladesh need to nurture and uphold their own values" they said on the second day of the three-day conference of NRBs.

Western path is not only the materialistic path as these people say forgetting that they run away from Bangladesh to get those materialistic things they shamelessly dare to condemn now. How many of you would like to give up your foreign passports and get back to Bangladesh to become imam of a mosque, a corrupt bureaucrat or a thief politician, sirs?

"A good leadership is essentially dynamic and it allows individuals' potentials to find room for utilisation" said Dr. Kamal Hossain whose business is to seat in every dais on every occasion and offer his wise counsel. Advice is free, Dr. Hossain knows it well but he lives as an absentee landowner and would never admit that absentee land owners are the number one enemies of Bangladesh. Should he not give-up all her lands and encourage other to do so as an honest adviser to the nation?

"People yarn for contributing to their country, not passive and second class subjects, people need to be truly empowered citizens" , Dr. Hossain and the eminent jurist (?) continued, "people should have the right to choose their leadership which will listen to them, involve them in decision-making and empower them properly". "Yes, yes Sir, did he ever pass this advice to Mujib when you were his first lieutenant and a trusted adviser? Why you talk all these high sounding things now, Mr. eminent jurist? What was your role in BAKSAL formation? What good you have done to Bangladesh until today?

The most amusing thing was said by Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury when he said that "non-resident Bangladeshis are often privileged to have the highest level of education and exposure to cultures where education is an end in itself, not a means to a job". What does it mean, Mr. Adviser? You may not understand but the reality is far from the truth especially for the NBRs. Of course, that we can not say about NRBs who have no education from their adopted country and are engaged in business like restaurants or working at petrol stations. "NRBs and their children can volunteer to help train our teachers, especially to teach English", the adviser suggested. But is it a feasible suggestion? And how and why shall NRBs children do that job? Are they qualified English teachers? Is teaching such a simple job, dear Sir? Or, will the NRBs IT experts will come to Bangladesh and work on Bangladesh salary? Is there anybody to do that?

Bangladesh's Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossain said the second generation NRBs should come back and actively get engaged in business, development and politics.

That is a good suggestion but what response he got? How many he found to give up their foreign passports to "get engaged in business, development and politics" in Bangladesh?

The simple fact is the future of Bangladesh's remains in the hands of the Bangladeshi people who live and ready to die in Bangladesh. Hardly any good can come from those who run away from the country. They would be the larks of the summer if Bangladesh ever gets any summer and all those talks are nothing but nonsense chitchats. It is a pity that people put so much weight on these sorts of useless conferences.

I said before, the future of Bangladesh lies in the hands of the Bangladeshi people and not on those who found their paradises in foreign countries. Those NRBs with foreign passports I strongly suggest that they stay where they are and if they can do small things for us please do it quietly. If your patriotism is still bubbling, through away your foreign passports, come home and live with us and do anything good that you can with us and together. No more conference please and no more advice!


S. Ahmad, Chittagong, Bangladesh
E mail : sahmadctg@yahoo.com
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