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Saturday, September 19, 2009

[chottala.com] Re: Please comment against educaion policy



Dear Belal sb
 
Salam and thanks for your reply. You are obviuously right that The British Emperor creates the problem. But question is not there. Question is here, what should we do now.
 
Firstly, we should think that religious education is not burden to be a modern(?) state. What modern concept will be agreed by you? As like American or British. The modern America/Europe is against family life. They agreed with lesbianism, gayism, firing in school, dancing, nudism, huge number of single mother or child without father. The modern civilization is like individualism where women only bear the duties to her children. The child never can get simpathy or any rights from his father. The modern concept is to agression to another country and killing mass people.
 
It is because only the faith. They have no faith in their education. They have no responsibility in their own or to other people or to other faith.
 
So, we need to include our faith in our educational policy.
 
Secoondly, you know that our nation are suffering for hijaking, kidnaping, muggers, robbering, murder etc. even by our university/college students. If they have proper knowledge about the final reconciliation after the death they never can do this.
 
So, we have to include resposibility and religiuos faith in our educational system.
 
Thirdly, the proposed educational system is more biased by political concept. The so called Kudrati khuda Comission was formed by our great leader Bnagabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. But he never implemented the secular system in our country. Moreover the Kudrati Khuda commission proposal was targeted for 2o years from 1972. But it left 40 yaers. So, why should we accept the old concept?
 
Fourthly, If this is not political proposal why only Madhrasha education system would be changed and why not it in A level, O level or kindergarten system? For why O level and A level students should not be taught about 'Bangladesh Knowledge?' Why it will be touch only into madrasha and general system? Why only Madrasha education will be supervised by local public but not general system? what is the answer?
 
Fifthly, religious education system is not burden to modern knowledge. Islam emphasised about scientific research and thus we saw that muslims scholars rides the worlds education for about 7 hundreds years.
 
So, why should not we want to sit as rider again?
 
Sixthly, now a days we read the news that different modern country like Britain proposed to educate their children with proper religious knowledge in their school. And by the President Obama's speech we know that settlers students are doing better than American origin. And it is for their inherrited religious concept, responsibility to their family and country.
 
So, whats the problem to get religious knowledge for our children in our country?
 
Seventhly, we all read the news about Dr. Emajuddin Ahmed's comments. He speaks at a seminar at National Press club organised by Sacheton Nagorik Samaj. He said that no education will be fruitfull without religous knowledge. Secular education concept is no where in the world. Religion is the origin of the education. Education comes from Mandir, Masjid, Girga, Pagoda. So, no education will be completed without its origin (religion).
 
Moreover, I thanking you again. And I always honour your commnets and I never cut off your contact from my e-mail list. I think you will honour my comments and our government will honour our nation's faith and will cancel the proposed education policy.
 
I agreed with you that our half educated 'moulavis' are blind about modern world. Besides, I also thinks that our half educated 'misters' are irresponsible to our country and corruption haulted our development. I firmly agreed that If our government honour  some of our religious scholar's thinking a few amendment of the policy can fruitful and acceptable to the whole nation.
 
Thank u all.
 
 
Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel.
Mirpur, Dhaka
 
 


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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:40:06 AM
Subject: RE: Please comment against educaion policy

Dear Kazi sb,
It is obvious you do not know me or my mission in life. If you did, you could never include me in your mailing list. Actually, I stand diametrically opposed to you in all respects. your idea of religion or the need of religious education is no different than half informed village Moulavi who is happily blind about the advancement of human civilization and the needs of a modern State. The education policy which has been prepared by some of the topmost scholars of the country seems to be able to foster a purposeful productive people and develop a standard of life which will be modern at the same time based on our heritage. Unfortunately,the Commission did not dare abolish Madrassa education, the British tool to keep out from the body-polity, the dangerous Muslim population by making them satisfied and steeped in their imported Arab customs and tradition. They however wisely created avenues for the Madrassa students to follow their own aptitudes and ambitions. Phenomenal progress in communication technology has made our planet a global village where young generation will vie for the best jobs anywhere, why should we, the older generation keep them deprived of a life which is local, national and global at the same time. The so called Islamic education is a bundel of archaic rather moribund ideas of a useless, wasted generation who could not free themselves from the shackles put on them by their forefathers. They have no right to stand on the way of the new generation who have the total gamut of human knowledge and technology at the tip of their fingers handing a computer Mouse.
I will request you to review your own thought process which I am afraid is stunted over a long time.

Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:33:44 -0700
From: kazimohammadismail@yahoo.com
Subject: Please comment against educaion policy
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Dear Brothers and sisters
 
Assalamu Alaikum
 
Pls input/send your comments into following e-mail/website/fax and phone.
 
I have already sent my comments as under. Pls read the policy and find a lot of anti islamic/anti nationals concepts in the policy paper. Comments against that words within 30 september.
 
ma-assalam
 
kazi mohammad ismail pavel
 
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my comments about it
 

Dear sir

 

assalamu alaikum

 

The proposed education policy is not fruitful for our country. Please reject the policy. Your policy is to reduce religious knowledge but everyone of world knows that its a fundamental subject for teaching of a human being. Without any religious knowledge there is no difference between man and wilds beasts. So you should emphasize on relious based education system instead of secular concept. Now you should rejecet/cancel the following line/para/words from your proposed policy:-

 

1. Secular based educational system.

2. Lalitakala as a subject for primary level

3. Supervision of local people for madhrashas

4. More general subjects in madhrashas instead of arabic language. On the other side there is no more option for taking relious subjects for general sides.

5. Amalgamation of Madhrasha system into the general system.

6. No more interruption in A level or O level or in kindergarten system.

 

 

You should also adopt the following:-

 

1. Compulsory Religious subjects up to intermediate level.

2. Upper level should have option for taking religious subject as subsidiary syllabus.

3. Religious Practicing students should have get extra marks for public examination and appointment in any job.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel

Mirpur Dhaka

 

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Re: [chottala.com] Why did India help in 1971? Goodreading ....

Dear Mr. Saifuddin, Mr. Enayetullah, and Ms. Khan,

All your analyses may be right, may be wrong, may be partially right, may be partially wrong, what do they matter to current perspective of Bangladesh? Is it always that someoene else is wrong and us are always right?

Is it what these writers want to convey that Pakistan was right in the perspective and only India made the separation happen? Means: India broke Pakistan for India's interest only and East Pakistanies has no problems and had no grievances whatsoever, and Pakistan was totally innocent and had nothing to do with the separation of East Pakistan?

Parhaps you guys live in another planet!!!!!

Simply appears to be a band, shunned with vested own personal interst !!!!

Please open eyes and try see and understand the truths around. Selfishness does not always help in everything. Thanks, not to blindness, but definitely to openness and truthfulness.


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> India helped Bangladesh in 1971 not for liberation of Bangladesh but for separation Bangladesh (Then East Pakistan) from Pakistan to breaking & weaking Pakistan for its own political economical & geographical interest.
> After separation Bangladesh from Pakistan all mill Industry of then East Pakistan are closed & destroyed. Bangladesh now has  become the market of Indian goods & the top political leaders of Bangladesh  are now the agents of Indian.They are working for the interest of India not for the Interest  to the people of Bangladesh. 
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> Subject: [chottala.com] Why did India help in 1971? Goodreading ....
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> Unlike our other neighbours India has a special place in our history because of its help in our liberation war. When the Pakistani military was murdering hundreds of thousands of unarmed people and raping the women of the then East Pakistan, India came forward with its helping hand and contributed to arming and training the mukti bahini. Almost 10 million people took shelter in India, especially in the states adjacent to East Pakistan border. Nobody in Bangladesh questions the fact that we got help from India but many question the nature of the help. Was it selfless help or India had a strategic interest in helping Bangladesh?
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> With a view to find out the truth we have to analyze what India gained from our freedom struggle and its attitude toward Bangladesh after our liberation war. Let us examine the entire thing from strategic, economic, and political point of views.
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> Strategic point of view
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> India’s peculiar geographic position constituted a major threat to its national security. Due to the geographic location of then East Pakistan, the seven sisters were completely isolated from the mainland. A small corridor, popularly known as chicken neck, was the only passage that could be used for traffic movement. Militarily, India was pretty vulnerable especially due to Chinese presence along the border. The war that was fought between India and China taught India the lesson that faster troops mobility is the only way to win a war. So, India needed transit facility through East Pakistan to transport troops and logistics faster to defend its vulnerable North Eastern states. Besides that, Pakistan was playing a vital role in instigating the insurgents in Assam and elsewhere to break up the entire region. The Indian military strategists were out of options and didn’t know how the North Eastern region would be saved. The Hawkish politicians
> in India came to the conclusion that breaking up Pakistan is the only way to save the militarily insecure North Eastern region. By doing so,
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> •Recapture the Pakistani portion of Kashmir
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> •Create a new state that would be militarily and economically weak and provide the much needed transit for troops and logistics transportation
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> •Project India as a regional superpower and warn all elements inimical to India’s security that India had the power to defend itself.
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> Economic point of view
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> India also had an economic objective to dismember Pakistan. India was a country with huge population and needed additional resources to uplift its economy. The economic cooperation with Pakistan was all but encouraging. Besides that, the water resources of the Himalayas were needed for India for irrigation and power generation. Due to Pakistan’s strong military, India was unable to use the resources unilaterally. Despite being a third world nation, Pakistan was a huge economic market that was able to absorb millions of dollars worth of Indian commodities. But the hostility between the two nations retarded the possibility of a robust economic cooperation between the two nations.
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> Indian policymakers thought that if they could break Pakistan and create a new and weaker Bangladesh then they would be able to gain unrestricted access to its economic market. India knew that as a new nation, Bangladesh would need cheap industrial products to revive its economy. So, there was a tremendous potential for economic cooperation between the two nations. India also wanted to get transit through Bangladesh to transport raw materials for its North Eastern states. The economically backward North Eastern region needed more investment and various products to energize its economy. So, the Indians thought Bangladesh would be much more beneficial for Indian economy than East Pakistan. The economic calculation was very accurate because India managed to sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cheap products to Bangladesh both legally and illegally. They destroyed the thriving jute industry of Bangladesh to build their own right after our
> independence.
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> India flooded the local Bangladeshi market with its products and offered millions of dollars more as loans to buy Indian commodities. We were reduced to a trading nation and almost destroyed the very basis of our own industry. India encouraged smuggling along the Indo-Bangla border so the government of Bangladesh had to close the border to stop the rampant smuggling to save the local traders. India never wanted an economically prosperous Bangladesh rather it wanted to use us as a market for its own products and in the process make us dependent on them.
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> If we look at the present situation, the lopsided trade relation between the two nations speaks volume of the Indian intention to help us in 1971. Bangladesh is an open market economy and allows duty free access for Indian products to our market. But India follows a restricted policy when it comes to importing Bangladeshi products and imposed numerous tariffs and para-tariffs on the Bangladeshi goods. The yawning trade imbalance is a testament to the fact that India never wanted an economically self-sufficient Bangladesh.
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> Former Indian foreign secretary Mr. Dixit said, "We helped in the liberation of Bangladesh in mutual interest, it was not a favour,"
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> His statement is clear evidence that India did not help Bangladesh on humanitarian ground. India had a long-term strategic plan to dismember Pakistan for its own gain. India had cultivated deep political relation with the disgruntled elements within the erstwhile East Pakistan. [1] As per a senior RAW intelligence officer, â€Å"Bangladesh was the result of a 10 year long promotion of dissatisfaction against the rulers of Pakistan�..
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> This goes to prove that helping Bangladesh was not an instantaneous decision of India rather it was a carefully designed strategic plan that was executed in pinpoint precision.
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> One of the top bosses of RAW, K.. Sankaran Nair, was responsible for training the erstwhile East Pakistani officers in guerrilla warfare. He also established excellent relation with Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. The relation was maintained via a RAW operative Mr. Banerjee. RAW even funded the 1970s election, in which Sheikh Mujib emerged as the winner [2].
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> But after the liberation, things did not go the way India had planned. Mujib was assassinated and Awami League was ousted from the power. General Ziaur Rahman came to power and adopted an anti India foreign and defense policy to drag Bangladesh out of Indian sphere of influence. He established good economic and political relation with America and China. He also repaired relations with the Middle Eastern countries and created a huge opportunity for the Bangladeshi workers in the Arab nations. Money started to pour in and the economy got better. He amended the constitution to give it an Islamic flavour in a country where 90% people were Muslims. The Indian policymakers observed the political development in Bangladesh and clearly understood that things were getting worse as far as Indian interest was concerned.
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> In the meantime, General Ziaur Rahman took various measures to upgrade the military. A close defense relation was established between Bangladesh and China. This irked the military establishment of India. They considered it a hostile act and found it hard to digest. The disgruntled elements in Delhi decided to create a rebel group in Chittagong hill tracts to keep Bangladesh under pressure and drain as much resources of this newly born poor country as possible. Shanti bahini played havock with the lives and properties of the people in CHT. General Zia quickly decided to populate CHT with Bengalees to maintain the territorial integrity of Bangladesh. In the meantime, India forcefully occupied South Talpatty disregarding Bangladesh’s request for a joint survey to determine the ownership of the Island. [3] General Zia was assassinated in 1981 and many observers believe that RAW had a hand in the incident.
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> General Ershad came to power in 1982 and more or less followed the same foreign policy as General Zia. But Ershad knew he should not annoy India beyond a certain limit so a tendency to keep India in good humour was obvious in his India policy. During his tenure, he agreed to abolish the guarantee clause from the water sharing treaty signed by General Zia. It went against our national interest because after abolishment of the guarantee clause, India reduced the water supply even further and that affected our agriculture and ecology. But the fact of the matter is even General Ershad couldn’t take a fully pro-Indian stance due to public pressure. He had to continue the military modernization and amended the constitution to declare Islam as the state religion. This drew ire from the top leaders of India. Ershad didn’t even try to take any initiative to give transit to India fearing wide spread protest across the country.
>
> Actually, the Indian leaders knew that the only party that was able to meet the Indian strategic demands was Awami League. They never stopped keeping relations with Awami League and provided all sorts of logistis support to Sheikh Hasina. According to some well-informed observers, India provided Tk. 300 crore to Awami League to win the 1996 election(Weekly Shugondha, 26th April, 1996). India’s clandestine support for a particular party is a testament to the fact that India had a strategic reason to help Bangladesh in 1971.
>
> If India’s help was altruistic in nature, India would have tried to win the hearts and minds of the people of Bangladesh but they never felt the need to do that and continued with their policy to clandestinely help bring Awami League to power. Even today, India leaves no stone unturned to malign Bangladesh. The Indian foreign ministry spends millions of dollars to hire foreign journalists to make fictitious reports to portray Bangladesh as Taliban sympathizer. Fortunately, Bangladesh took quick action to hang a few mis-guided Mullahs who were creating some disturbances. Bangladesh even signed various treaties to help the international community to combat terrorism.
>
> More can be written to prove that India’s help in 1971 was not an altruistic one rather it was for gaining strategic advantages. India has an ambitious vision of becoming a world power but how can they achieve their goal if they cannot convince their neighbours that their intentions are benign? Using force to subjugate the weaker neighbours is not the way to go to establish a relation based on mutual trust and respect.
>
> References
>
> 1.RAW: Top-Secret Failures, p: 5
> 2.Ibid. , p: 8
> 3.Limits of Diplomacy: Bangladesh, Partha. S. Ghosh
>
> http://bangladesh- web.com/view. php?hidRecord= 173793
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