In India, the fundamentalists even killed Gandhi, the father of the nation, the fundamentalists to gain popularity destroyed a minority's place, the Babri Mosque, formed government. Advani instead of staying in jail became the home minister. India with such records still claims itself as the most peaceful and a progressive nation. Its puppets in Bangladesh says, India is great! and says, in politics, "once enemy, enemy for ever."
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:23:59 AM
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
Prime Minister Khaleda Zia talks to the leaders of Krishak Sramik Janata League at her office yesterday, the first day of the national dialogue on how to stop bomb terrorism. PHOTO: STAR
Mr. Aslam,
Do you mean to say that we will be teaching our posterity the lessons of 1971 till eternity? Americans fought a bittter war of independence against the Britiah colonial power over 230 year ago. They must also have thie quislings of the imperialists but are they still campaigning against the British or their quislings?
Vietnam was united after a bitter war with US imperialists lasting for over two decades. Quisslings fearing repraisal ventured to run away from their country in dilapidated boats risking their lives. Today three deades on there is no quisling in Vietnam. They have sorted them out.
South Africa was under oppresive rule of minority white regime. There were white oppressors and black quislings? Are they teaching hatred to their people like you are trying propqagate hatred. Even a freedom fighter of Kader Siddiqui's stature sees this division as politically motivated.
I woulds like JIB to be seen and treated on basis of their their performance of 2008. If they have wronged against the country in 1971 then those suspects ahould be tried as per law of the land and those found guilty be punished.,. Why does not this simple fact register in you intelligent brain?
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:37 PM
Dear Mr. AyubiSorry, if I have misunderstood you!The essence of my perspective is that we should all take lessons fromthe history, else the history may repeat. All of our new generations mustknow what has happened in the past, what price we have paid for ournation's independence .....Nothing personal ... please take it easy...Have patience ...ThanksSyed Aslam
On 7/6/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
You are natural writer and write well. You would have been successful as a lawyer had you been a lawyer. You have a knack for twisting facts. I am no bloody sympathiser of JIB but all that i want is that we must conclude the episode of 1971 if need by trying the criminals of 1971. For us to march ahead we have to bury the past. Many countries before us have done it. We have to make a better bangladesh for which our brothers and sisters made the supreme sacrifice. We are betraying them when we see that those poor souls are being made gunea pigs of power politics here.. Their souls must be restless out there in the haven when they watch us doing politics about them from up above. Please do not get me wrong. I have never ever voted for JIB.
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 4:26 PM
Mr. AyubiYou don't have to agree with me, you are in essence,pleading for Jamaate Islami through your innuendoes I have said many time that I look at every move thatJamaatis make with a grain of salt....It is very clear that you feel irritated, because you can't accept the factthat Bangladeshis were victorious and won their independence through theGlorious Liberation War. Our nationalism is embedded inthe fight forindependence and vice versa.Our victory in the Liberation war was the starting point from which we marchedfarward.We paid with blood as the price for our liberation, so we the people ofBangladesh know how precious our National Independence is! The war ofliberation will remain as inspiration for all our future generations.Yes, everyone has right to preach his/her ideology.By the same token the people has right know that Jamaats played a henious anti-people role in 1971 astraitor killer,& collaborator of a foreign occupation army in the name ofIslam..Again, anyone has right to preach an ideology or a doctrine. The others alsohave the right to show to the public how dangerous that ideology or doctrinecould be based on historical evidences.Do you really understand why Jamaat named its Gestapo wing as Al-bodorexactly 1380 years after our Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) faught theBattle of Badar? Jamaat's Albador wing carried out many of the killingmissions in the name of Islam, 1971 is history but the dangerous ideolodythat misguided young Islami Chattro Shangho caders (currently Sibir)still exist. Every killing was done in the name of Islam. read it once again:Here is the quote justifying the genocide of 1971 in thename of Islam:"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim governmentloses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deservesdeath penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supportedthe army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami Leaguetried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslimenemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal KaleemJun 23, 2008 12:39 amSyed AslamOn 7/6/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
i am sorry that I cannot agree with you that any war can be the basis of nationhod. Wars are fought to establsh or protect a principle.. The basis of nationhood of Bangladesh is nationalism . We fought to establish this nationalism and succeeded in establishing it. So the basis of Bangladeshi nationhold is nationalism.
We claim that we are a democratic country. If so then all parties have the right to profess their ideology and it is upto tthe people of the country to accept or reject that ideology. It is only the facist who oppose propagation of any ideology other than their facist party's ideology.. In democratic bangladesh JIB has as much a right to profess their ideology as any othe party and it is upto the people of the county to accept or reject them.. To reject them for a crime, that has yet to be proved in a court of law , some forty years ago. You can not didmiss them summarily. If you have a case against them please do bring charges against them, prove it in the court, penalise them and then forget about them and leave them to the public opinion. You are avoiting the right path instead following smear campaign against JIB. This I consider to be against democratic principle.. We have to first decide if we are a democratic country or a facist country in the lebas of a democratic country.
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:26 PM
Mr. Salauddin AyubiThe Liberation war forms the basis of our Nationhood and will remain as such forever.Both BAL & BNP boasts of their participation in Liberation war. It's a shame that now youare tryinng to undermine BNP with unsubstantiated rumors [born ............ ........under the supervision of the country' s military intelligence ]. However, you must know thatBNP's strength was mainly the public perception about General Zia's Announcement ofIndependence of Bangladesh and his participation in Liberation war !!!!!!Jamaats (JIB) played a henious anti-people role in 1971 as traitor & collaborator ofa foreign occupation army in the name of Islam..As we see, in recent years there was a tremendous infiltration of thugs & curruptpeople in all of our political parties and the BNP was no exception. That was a nationalphenomenon and may be discussed in a different thread. [Why did it happen andhow did it happen .etc ...]These currupt people while in power (2001-2006) ushered the largestaccumulation of black money in history of Bangladesh: ...the classic primitiveaccumulation of crony capitals ,,,,,,, Jamaate Islami was the main accessoryto this "perfect" crime ...... Opportunist power broker Jamaat kept its mouth shutduring these accumulaton process.[For opportunist Jamaat, staying in power wasmore important than defending the public rights & interests. Jammat (JIB) eventurned its blind eye on the outgrowth of social evils (drug, prostitution, thuggery,human trafficking etc.) in Bangladesh causing a great disservice to Islam andproving that its Islam-passand politics is only in its lebash -- a camoflague.. ....]Again, Jamaat did everything in the name of Islam .... The holy alliance ofmisrule resulted in the greatest shark attack on the masses on Bangladesh !!!!!!India has it's own headaches & migranes, so it has it own limitations ,,,, we haveto defend ourselves against all foreign agressions.Our tradition created by ourmuktijuddhas and the sacrifices made by our people in 1971 will always serve as aninspiration against all foreign agressors real or imaginary [be it India, China or USA].FYI Pakistan's role in fanning up disturbances in CHT can not be ruled out:Islamabad based Pakistani Minister Raja Tridib Roy declared that Chittagong Hill Tractswill be free soon. [ http://www.banglara dio.org.au/ BR-Archive- 2006.htm ]. This was as recentas in December 2006. In the current Pakistan government too Raja Tridib Roy holdsthe position of a Federal Minister. Why? Whom does he represent?Another culprit was traitor Mahmud Ali who was kept as Federal Minister of Pakistan till hisdeath (November 18, 2006). There are many indications which proves that the rulers of Pakistanstill have political agenda to entangle Bangladesh in an united Pakistan.There are many news published in recent times that Pakistani ISI and its operatives arestill very active even in the internal politics of Bangladesh. [more later in appropriate thread...]In any case the, your statement "country perosper based on the realities of today whereas you want to cling on to the past." is nothing but a slogan mongering to defend theJIB (Jamaat) from their crimes of 1971. Jamaat may put on a new mask, new camoflague,but they can not hide their past .....no matter how hard you try ....Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday.Once a collaborator, always a collaborator .......[Jamaat is always a collaboratorin the perfect crimes against our people]Syed AslamPS: "turn a blind eye and a deaf ear every now and then, and you will get marvellously well."On 7/4/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:I agree with you that our outlooks are fundamentally different. I for one would like to see my country perosper based on the realities of today where as you want to cling on to the past. Our murky past is not going to help us in the twenty first century world. liberation war has been capitalised by a particular party and they are using it to misrule the country. That party's track record is full of betryal of the people of this country. If that was not so then how political party that was born in the cantonment under the supervision of the country' s military intelligence become peoples party and beat them hollow in any fair poll. Voters dont make mistake.To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. comAs regards JIB it has been nearly forty years and they have not done anything to betray the trust of the people and that is why some people vote for them and they have become power brokers. You may like them or not but they surely are a established power broker.
Only trac that you play is anti Pakistani and anti Jamat record but today our main enemy is india who are doing propaganda against us and they were responsible for the CHT disturbances. They have not been fair with us as regard water sharing of the joint rivers. In 2008 our enemy is not Pakistan but India and we have to find out mens of dealing with them effectively.
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 5:16 PM
Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday (1971)They have only change in camoflagueMr. Salauddin Ayubi ShahebAre you just looking back in anger ? Where is your logic?You have only slanders. twists and misrepresentations ....."No amount of logic will convince you" - it applies to you more than anyoneelse in all the Bangladeshi forums !!! Aren't you playing your own brokenrecords too !! Is it 7-track ? ,,,, Sorry those have become obsolete and archaic.... only few antic collectors have that .... perhaps you are one of them ....[7-track tape recorder: IBM's first magnetic tape data storage devices, introducedin 1952]One track mind ? What is that ? I thought you are retired engineer.Since when you became a psychologist? In any case, I have what Allah theAlmighty has given me ... Everything in this world is will of Allah includingyour "creative" thoughts ....Mr. Ayubi, we [meaning U and me] conceptually differ and differ vastly: Wehave different visions for our nation. Read all my posts, be honest and showthe message number(s) that fits your slanderous accusations of "BAL activistyou are anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian" . I can see your basic philosophy is"those not with us, are against us" ...... . Utter intolerance toward others....You are not alone in this game ..... there many of you mastuto cousins whobelieve in the same philosophy and same doctrine.Yes, I always look at JIB (Jamaat) with a grain of salt, becauseof it's past as a traitor and collaborator of a foreign occupation army ......Once a traitor, always a traitor .... A traitor can not be reformed ....they don't have change of heart or even change of mind.They have only change of camoflague .Deep inside, the JamaateIslami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islamiof yesterday (1971)Syed AslamPS: As you wanted to know, my real name is Syed Aslam. I have a middlename and also a nick name [Dak nam] which I don't want to disclosepublicly at this time. I fears for my life by getting killed by a hit man onfalse accusation of being an anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian.
On 7/4/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:Mr. Aslam,
You are a one track minded BAL activist that too a typical one. No amount of logic will convince you , you will keep playing your old broken record but we do not have the patience to listen to such rantings from you. Like a BAL activist you are anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian. may bere you are Indian planted here to misinform and disinform us.
The number of posts that you make every day is much more than a retired person like me can post.. Do you have anyother job for you to living or just this job of mininfrming and disinforming on berehlf of your employers... ?
You have not responded to my mail requesting your real name/
Salahuddin Ayubi
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