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Friday, December 7, 2012

[chottala.com] Creation of Bangladesh: Shining Moment or Strategic Blunder



Creation of Bangladesh: Shining Moment or Strategic Blunder


(The views expressed in the article are not shared by DeshCalling but have been published here to show what Indians really think about Bangladesh and that real understanding between the two countries is impossible unless one considers itself a mere vassal state or protectorate of the other. To justify its position Indians resort to numerous lies and propaganda (especially about 1971 – see The India Doctrine (1947-2007)) so the reader should view the article with some discretion and a heavy dose of doubt and suspicion)

 

By Maj Gen Sheru Thapliyal

Indian Defence Review - 07 September, 2011

"DURGA ASTRIDE A TIGER". This is how Atal Behari Vajpayee described Indira Gandhi immediately after India's lightening victory in the 1971 war, which resulted in creation of Bangladesh. Ironically and now in retrospect, correctly, he led a protest march against Shimla Agreement in 1972. In the best tradition of the Indian State, whatever was won militarily has been thrown away at the negotiating table time after time.

Although creation of Bangladesh was hailed as a defining moment in the history of the sub continent at that time, it is turning out to be a strategic nightmare now. Bangladesh would have been created, perhaps of its own steam, sooner or later. But by our intervention we have created a problem for us with serious strategic disadvantages.

With Bangladesh as its Eastern Wing, Pakistan was always unbalanced. With its severance, Pakistan is now a viable and cohesive entity with its Armed Forces much more capable of not only defending her territory but carrying the war into India as per its doctrine of 'Offensive Defence'.

By creating Bangladesh, we have made an implacable enemy of Pakistan for whom Balkanisation of India by whatever means has become an article of faith. Even if Kashmir problem is resolved to Pakistan's satisfaction, its hostility towards India is not going to come to an end. It will find some other means to continue its strategic aim – break up of India. This fact is not understood by many peaceniks and those who believe that people to people contact and mouthing of platitudes will resolve all problems between India and Pakistan.

Bangladesh in the meantime has reached the other extreme. Not only its history has been falsified to eliminate Indian Army's role in the creation of Bangladesh, it is firmly in the Pakistani camp – lock, stock and barrel. It is indeed tragic. West Pakistan always treated East Pakistan with contempt. It was a strange case of creation of a nation with its two wings thousands of miles apart held together only by a tenuous link of religion. Bangladesh has conveniently forgotten how inhumanly its citizens were treated by West Pakistanis when it was a part of Pakistan. To put things in correct perspective. It may be relevant to quote a passage from C-in-C Bangladesh, General MAG Osmany's letter to Lt Gen Gul Hassan Khan, C-in-C Pakistan Army in 1972 after the creation of Bangladesh.

"The seventy five million people of Bangladesh were subjected to the most inhuman form of genocide, rape, repression and arson by Pakistani Armed Forces who exhibited not the slightest hesitation in killing their Bengali brother officers and men, unarmed and in cold blood – all aimed at denial of human rights guaranteed by United Nations Charter. Indeed history does not have a single instance of inhuman acts which can equal the bestial treatment meted out to our people between night 25/26 March 1971 to the day before surrender. History's most ignominous defeat in which some 93,000 professional and very well equipped soldiers led by their officers including a substantial number of General Officers bowed to lay down their arms and were stripped of their badges of ranks is therefore the justice meted by God such as he has always done and promised to do". Forgetting all the above, Bangladesh is now cozying up to Pakistan compromising even its self respect in the process.

Bangladesh is becoming a safe heaven for all militant groups of North East but it consistently denies existence of militant camps even when presented with irrefutable evidence. Pakistan ISI is also having a field day in Bangladesh carrying out anti India activities in collusion with the militant groups based there. Infiltration from Bangladesh has become alarming with all North Eastern States swamped by Bangladeshis. In future Bangladesh may well claim North East to be an integral part of Bangladesh. A few years ago, when the author was undergoing National Defence College course in Delhi, he discussed this issue with the Bangladesh officer, his colleague on the course. The Bangladesh officer told the author that actually India is mistaken. It is Indians who are infiltrating into Bangladesh in large numbers due to stark poverty in India and are creating law and order problem there. Never before such pearls of wisdom were heard.

Bangladesh has created formidable armed forces, far in excess to its needs, which could well collude with Chinese, should a war with that nation come about in the future.

Instead of we treating Bangladesh Rifles as the rag tag force they are, they are treating our Border Security Force with contempt. Every day there is firing on the borders and abduction of personnel who are then killed in the most inhuman fashion. Even when we wish to erect fence within our territory to check illegal infiltration, Bangladesh takes an offence to it and the worst part is we pause to ponder over their protests. And now they have the temerity to try to stop construction of border fence by firing. And the mighty Indian state with visions of becoming a world power only watches as a disinterested bystander.

Day in and day out, Bangladesh accuses us of diverting Ganga water into Hoogly to save the Calcutta port thereby causing unprecedented drought in that water logged country. The logic should beat anyone but the result is that we have not been able to harness waters of any of the river of North East including the mighty Brahmaputra for irrigation or electricity generation. This is even when a river water sharing treaty was signed with Bangladesh in 1975 when Sheikh Mujib was still alive and subsequent unilateral concessions were given by the Gujral govt to Bangladesh.

Hindu minority in Bangladesh receives the worst treatment, even worse than in Pakistan. No Govt in India has had the inclination, or courage to take it up with the Bangladesh govt. The Indian state is treated more or less like a banana republic by its neighbours. They fear China but have only contempt for us.

Why have things gone wrong? Political handling of the aftermath of 1971 was strangely naïve to say the least. This has been so both with Pakistan as well as Bangladesh. While with Pakistan we missed the golden opportunity to sort out the Kashmir problem, with Banglaesh we were much too generous without an iota of reciprocity. A few legitimate concessions should have been obtained from Bangladesh. First and foremost should have been the treaty of trade and transit across Bangladesh from North Eastern States. The time to cover the distance from Agartala to Kolkata would have been reduced to six hours instead of four days it takes at present. Incidentally such an arrangement existed between India and Pakistan till 1965 war when it was arbitrarily withdrawn by Pakistan. We should have also sorted out the problem of 'Chits' or the enclaves of both countries in each other's territory. These have become an unending headache. Perhaps Siliguri corridor should have been widened with concession elsewhere. Ironclad guarantees should have been obtained with regard to utilization of river waters. This has become an intractable problem now. Bangladesh should also have been asked to give guarantee that its soil will not be used for anti India activity. It was possible at that time since Sheikh Mujib was still in power and Bangladesh was grateful for Indian help not only for creation of their nation but bearing the burden of ten million refugees for eight long months.

What is the way ahead? We need to introspect. Why is it that despite our size, population, economic strength and armed might, our smaller neighbours do not fear us as they do the Chinese. A case in point is the recent case of sabotage of SAARC Summit in Dacca by Nepal. At the instigation of China or perhaps in order to spite India for its stance on restoration of democracy in Nepal, the King insisted on inclusion of China as an observer. The King knew very well that SAARC Charter does not have such a provision. Yet he linked this issue with admission of Afghanistan as a member of SAARC. Thus what we thought was a open and shut case turned out to be a fiasco. Even Bhutan with whom we have a treaty, is conducting negotiations with China on boundary issue keeping us in dark and may well spring a surprise on us to our strategic disadvantage. The case of Bangladesh, specially is sad indeed. It is one of cutting your nose to spite your face. Our foreign policy mandarins may do well to look into their backyard instead of chasing mirages like a seat in the UN Security Council.

Every election time, Bangladesh goes through convulsions. Same is the case now. The two Beghums have reduced the whole election process to a farce. In no democratic country, executive powers are handed over to someone else to conduct elections. Hopefully better sense will prevail and election process, however farcial, will be gone through. We also need to seriously reexamine our policy of investing in individuals rather than institutions. We have learnt nothing from the past. In 1972, Indira Gandhi thought that by making concessions to Bhutto, she will earn his goodwill. What we got instead is a nuclear Pakistan. Similarly in Bangladesh, we put all our eggs earlier in Sheikh Mujib's basket. With his assassination, we lost all our bargaining power. Thereafter it was Sheikh Hasina's turn. The result is that whenever Beghum Khalida Zia comes to power, anti Indian forces gain upper hand. Unfortunately in our country foreign policy has been made an exclusive preserve of the ruling party. What we need is greater transparency and greater debate – both within the Parliament as also out side in the media and think tanks. But perhaps it may be too much to expect.

http://deshcalling.blogspot.com/2011/09/creation-of-bangladesh-shining-moment.html


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[chottala.com] Re: What's your problem with "Jewish lawyer to Jewish employer." ?



No Doubt about it..feeling is MUTUAL specially if the employer is son of another Paranab Kumar Barua ( The Professor ) who converted to Judaism from Buddhism..That Pranab Barua is also the father of Tareq Rahaman... Do you see how wicked these are..these are the Barua's that fired on JASD procession during Sheikh Mujib..Oh well that Mr Pranab Kumar Barua is the foremost disciple of Bishuddhanada the MAOIST BUDDHIST..of Bangladesh..

I have left that employer at a minimum..15 years and he thinks..I am some how obligated, that my daughter has to mary his son..That employers..wife is related to DIANE FEINESTINE..and her Insurance Mogul Hubby..

Who is talking about having an attitude..

This is an employer..I felt bad about that thought was getting screwed because he was Jew..and thus played role in that struggling company that will some how be known that survived mostly things I did..some did not like that I was helping the company they knew how wicked the employer was..one female seamstress told me this directly..did i know it then..IT ISWHO HE I..

The lawyer..well they are all in-cahoots...

By the way it was never disclosed SERGEANT JAHURAUL HAQUE was hanged for the role he was implicated in...he was hanged in KHULNA..SERGENT..AIR FORCE...Ask some pilots in cock pits how occasionally they have to deal with RADIATION issues..AIR FORCE also does many form of R&D.Germans wanted him hanged..


Here is few more things..who is EINESTINE then it is an ARMY MAJOR name NOOR MOHAMMAD (A.D)of Bangladesh last known to be residing in Canada..as he is one wanted for MUJIB ASSASSINATION..CANADA refused to extradite him on the ground  Bangladesh has Death penalty.NOOR MOHAMMAD was given US green card..as Bill Clinton made special arrangement for him...

TAGORE & EINESTINE..look at the picture carefully...TAGORE is Major Rashid (A.D.)  also implicated in Mujib Assassination..I have come across both of them in USA did not know many thing then

Just to give you an example...things going on in SYRIA...his opposition do you know who they are Oh well that same LOUIS I KAHN the Jewish Architect under Mujib the parliament Bhavan construction was postponed..Zia got the money to pay for it..that Parliament Bhavan construction was approved..Saluddin Kaders father Fazle Kader..Chowdhry my same home town.RAOZAN..
SALAUDDIN KADERS are part of Bangladesh Multinational London Base BEXIMCO..just look it up on the web..what their portfolio includes what they do not list is the are one of the LARGEST DRUG SMUGGLERS around the world from AFGHANISTAN they are also close with CHINESE...What wrong did PABLO ESCOBAR did then..?????..They do not like me..i went up against them an won some competitive bids..BEXIMCO used to win those before me..



More Food for Thought...

Debasish Barua


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From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: What's your problem with "Jewish lawyer to Jewish employer." ?

Debasish Barua

Please learn what does the word "judge" means, when it is 
used as a verb.
What's your problem with "Jewish lawyer to Jewish employer." ?
A lawer must be competent to represent you and plead your case...
An employer must follow the work place rules and provide you with appropriate remunaration & benefis in return for your work .... 
The religion of a lawyer and a employer is their personal matter ..... America is a free country, and you have choices .....

Also, your Shakespear example is irrelevant in the context of
today's United States of America, your adopted homeland ...!
USA is a democratic country with strict loan sharking laws in
every state .....

You seem to have an "attitude problem" about the people
with jewish background .....?

Syed Aslam

PS:  
(1) You have failed so far, to write anything about your
"make believe" personality Gunumeju .... which points to
the conclusion that the story about Gunumeju is manufactured
by you ..... 

(2) Also, your connection with Faujderhat Cadel College, 
as student there, apprears to be fake, phony, & bogus, in the
absence of clear-cut statement by you....!!!!



On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Syed

 I do not judge any one...I am not a Judge..most of them are also of the religion you mention and they buy and sell..I make my decisions based on how some one treat me and what kind of historical relation exist . if one is of hostile then their is one way to treat them..if some one that has been nice and kind.. definitely it is reciprocated even at that as Cadet College Motto is DEEDS NOT WORDS..I do believe their are good judges..it is those that works as Religious Cartel to expand their GLOBAL AMBITION..

Believe me I have learned few things the very complicated way..I had Jewish lawyer to Jewish employer..it is every thing as narrated by WILLIAM SHAKESPEAR..The Shylock that wanted pound of flesh for a small amount of debt..

Debasish Barua


From: SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>

To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Is there any significant scientific contribution by Gunomeju ??

 
Debasish Barua

Do you judge someone by his/her religion or by his/her actions... ?

Why do you say  Ronald Reagan was assasinated ?
There was a futile attempt on his life in 1981, the would
be killer John Warnock Hinckley Jr's father, the senior Hinckley
was a devout Christian ..... John Warnock Hinckley Jr. was
not Jewish. At the trial in 1982, charged with 13 offenses, Hinckley was
found not guilty by reason of insanity. The defense psychiatric  
reports portrayed him as insane...

FYI, Atish Dipankar was a 10th century (980–1054 CE) buddist scholar
and has nothing to do with 20th century Maoist china ....

Bangladesh has established an university in the name of Atish Dipankar
to pay respect to the ancient scholar & buddist preacher. The Atish Dipankar
University of Science and Technology (অতীশ দীপঙ্কর বিজ্ঞাণ ও প্রযুক্তি বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়
or (ADUST) is located in Banani, Dhaka, Bangladesh. The university was 
established in 2004 after getting approval from the University Grant Comission.

BTW, most of your comments are irrelevant ... do some home-work
before you send your post.

Note: 
(1) You have failed so far, to write anything about your
"make believe" personality Gunumeju .... which points to
the conclusion that the story about Gunumeju is manufactured
by you ..... 

(2) Also, your connection with Faujderhat Cadel College, 
as student there, apprears to be fake, phony, & bogus, in the
absence of clear-cut statement by you....!!!!

Thanks for your patience ......

Syed Aslam

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:
You seem to be excited about Bishuddhanda side of Bangladesh Buddhist receiving remains of ATISH DIPANKAR..I have made assertion ..that side is MAOIST and tied to Terrorist..here is one instance they are the one's behind attempt of life on Ronald Reagan..it was supposedly in retaliation of my fathers death.. ordered by Reagan ...I think Reagans assassin was Jewish too..

Debasish Barua


 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:


Just ask any Faujian if they know Debasish Barua of being their..if they say know that may be the reason..here is few that can tell you I was their or not..three of the Principal at Cadet College during my days were Col. Shamsul Islam,,
Mr Badrul Millat & Col Mujib
 I think VP's were Mr Salimullaha & Mr Nazrul Islam..

I guess one of them suspended Sayeed & Fahad from..going to Pick Nick to Sylhet during our days

 Debasish Barua

________________________________
From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:14 PM
 Subject: What are the significant scientific contributions of Gunomeju ?

 Debasish Barua

Please enunciate what are the significant scientific contributions of
your Gunomeju ......!
I am not interested in gossips and heresies ....

How come you didn't clear about your connection with Faujderhat Cadet
College?
Be honest and please tell us :
Are you an alumni of Faujderhat Cadet College?
 From which year, to which did you attend " Faujdarhut Cadet College " ?

 Thanks

Syed Aslam

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
I mentioned of Indu Bhushan who died of Tuberculosis..Einestine Freind Tagore two Child died young..Indu Bhushan two child died young too..well here is some one that has spent much of life in Sci...Fi world..He also has many books published..

Search the web STEPHEN HAWKINGS..he still has the sore as some how he is stricken with Throat illness..like TUBERCULOSIS..or DIPTHERIA...well Dinesh Chadra oldest son Sadhan died in Burma of Diptheria..so did my fathers oldest step brother..Shambal.. well guess what I was as child diagnosed among may illness DIPTHERIA..

in the mold of OPPENHEIMER being GUNOMEJU...INDU BHUSHAN is STEPHAN HAWKINGs..he may still have interest in the issue..

Debasish Barua
 ________________________________
From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: When did you attend Faujderhat Cadet College????

Are you an alumni of Faujderhat Cadet College?
From which year, to which did you attend " Faujdarhut Cadet College " ?

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:

No I did not say so Some how Yahoo changed the word Lets say to Lest..Moudud Ahmed as far as I know is not from Cadet college..Try Moududs Lawyer well his Lawyer in one instance was as per one news report was Hassinas Lawyer..
If that does not work try HASNA Moudud connection to get the truth..about that death at Cadet College..I think among others you will find Zia Surrogates in that death..
 ________________________________
From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 11:04 PM
Subject: When did you attend Faujderhat Cadet College???

 Mr. Debasish Barua

Are you saying "Moudud Ahmed..an senior to me at Cadet college" ?
Did you really meet Moudud Ahmed at Faujderhat Cadet College as one of your
senior student there?
From which year to which did you attend " Faujdarhut Cadet College " ?
A clear and honest answar will be highly appreciated..
Thanks
 Syed Aslam

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 I o not deny the names you mention and their contribution..I find my self in a Hugh mess over publication of collection of work by Dharmadhar Bhante. Whom I have met. This at Faujdarhut Cadet College..Guess who had interest in the book..Poet Jasimuddin and his son in law..Moudud Ahmed..an senior to me at Cadet college lest put it this way to put it mildly was killed over it...he and another class mate of mine al?so name Sayeed where negotiating with Poet jasimuddin and his son in law..after all it is Moudud and Zeng Zao Min..

You mention of Atish Dipankar the scholar that went to Tibet and whose remains were handed to Chinese backed Bangladesh Buddhist..that is Bishuddhanada side of Dhaka Kamalapur..

Some where I also can inference from Dalai Lama folks back then..or even may be before that a Monk went to Sri lanka..from India..I think that is the side I am interested mostly of..as our side temple in Chittagong posses in display case a sample of HAIR..that is known to be of Buddha himself..that in some way establish..what I call a Chain of custody..of relations ship..with Buddha..

You mention of BENI MADHAV..well you will find him I think allied with our side..though Chinese meddle thru Chinoo Mutsuddi...search the web...under ANITESH BARUA in USA he is decedent of Beni Madhav Barua..

 Their is an issue of money borrowed by my mothers mother after the death of her husband that is Dinesh Chandra..Story has it they in lieu of $500 Taka borrowed held a mortgage deed on a land couple owned..and it apparently stipulated interest rate and so loved by Jews..they in exchange obtained the right to litigate the death of Dinesh Chadra..that is what it is limited too..they have farmed that land and consumed the crop that produced..in some way that agreement was so lop sided, in some ways they took advantage of the situation..well even at that it must have felt good at least then to have some one that decided to come to aid the family..

Well round about way some that contributed to his death pitched some of the money..well that is what the agreement is limited too.. it is kind of funding litigation financing..this does not include any other death death except of Dinesh Chadras death..no tie to his Oil inheritance or so..except for..one of the three plots of Land Dinesh Chadra..that land is not where the OIL inheritance issue of Dinesh Chandra is..

I think that is in hill Tracts..land mortgaged is Chittagong Pahartali..temple adjacent..small hills..

Debasish Barua
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From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Pali language in Bangladesh .. [some historical background]

Mr. Debasish Barua

FYI,

 Both PALI and SANKSKRIT are Indo-Aryan or Indic languages,
and by themselves are branches of  indo-European language family....
Pali belongs to the Prakit group, derived from dialect of Old Indo-Aryan
languages...Prakrti means common people and therefore the language used
by them was called Prakrta .... Bangla and other modern eastern Indian
languages developed from Magadhi Prakrit.
Secular Prakrit literature reflected the lives of ordinary people.

Pali language and literature gradually developed from 600 BC to 500 AD.
Gautam Buddha travelled widely across northern India, spreading his
message of non-violence and love and drawing converts to his religious
ideals. The language the Buddha chose for his sermons was not SNASKRIT,
the language of the Brahmins, but the common language of the ordinary
person: Pali or PRAKIT.
Pali does not have a script of its own, but adopts the script of the region.
Thus in Bengal Pali is written in BANGLA SCRIPT.
Buddhists in Bengal learn Pali as a religious language. At present Pali language
and literature are taught at Buddhist institutions as well as at colleges and
universities in Bangladesh.
In Bangladesh the study of Pali language and literature started primarily to
meet religious needs.
Initially, scholars did not feel the necessity of translating the Tripitaka into
Bangla. Religious scholars, researchers and readers from home and abroad
learned to study Pali in Devanagari and Roman letters. Subsequently, the
study of the Tripitaka in Pali, using Bangla letters, started and is still
continuing.
Acharya Chandramohan substantially contributed to Pali education in
Bengal by establishing the first Pali tol (school) at Mahamuni under
Pahartali in Chittagong in 1885 with the financial support of  Zamindar
Haragovinda Mutsuddi.
The second Pali tol was established at the same place in 1902 by the
efforts of Sarananda, a Buddhist monk from Sri Lanka. Later on tols were
started in villages such as Rajanagar, Satbaria, Mirzapur, and Unainpur. In
1908 arrangements were made to teach Pali at Chittagong Collegiate
School, and Dharmabangshs Mahasthavir ('Aggamahapandit') was
appointed to teach.  Gradually opportunities were created to study Pali at
the major schools of Chittagong.

Thus, some more Pali tols were established in Chittagong during the first
two decades of the 20th century.
Pali was also introduced at the college level, and three colleges were 
given permission to teach Pali: PRESIDENVY COLLEGE and Vidyasagar
College in Kolkata and CHITTAGONG COLLEGE. The scholars who
taught at these colleges included Mahamahopadhyay Satish Chandra
Vidyabhushan, Amulyacharan Ghosh, Nirad Ranjan Mutsuddi,
Prankrishna Bhikkhu and Dharmavangsha Mahasthavir.

In 1899 a Pali department was opened at the UNIVERSITY OF
CALCUTTA. Sir Asutosh Mookerjee pioneered the study of Pali in Kolkata.
Pali Studies started at the University of Calcutta under his initiative.....

The study of Pali and the Tripitaka also developed in other
educational institutions of Bengal and India. During this period
Benimadhab Barua, Nalinaksha Dutta, Shailendranath Mitra, Bhagawan
Chandra Mahasthavir, Anukul Chandra Bandyopadhyay, Prabhash Chandra
Majumdar, Sukumar Sengupta, Kanailal Hazra, Shyamsundar
Bandyopadhyay and Dharmadhar Mahasthavir taught Pali at Calcutta
University. Some of them also translated Pali texts into Bangla. The study
of Pali was also introduced in the UNIVERSITY OF DHAKA (1921),
UNIVERSITY OF RAJSHAHI (1955) and UNIVERSITY OF
CHITTAGONG (1968).[Source: Internet]
Sent by: Syed Aslam

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Now this is soar subject..Buddhist Text are in PALI...not SANKSKRIT..their is dispute with Bengali Scholars..where Language of Bangla origins from, well one school of thought says it was SANSKRIT other say it was PALI..the school founded by NAZIR KRISHNA in our rural home town is named MOHAMUNI ANGLO PALI HIGH SCHOOL..
Among the PALI side was Shere Bangla Abul Kasem Fazlul Haque..he was termed so even though Shere is Urdu term..I think in Bengali it goes like this BANGLAR BAAG..

He played instrumental role in marriage of my parents..he as student leader knew an who was Chittagong university Pali Professor..Babu Ranadhir Barua..it is him influenced my father to go ahead with the wedding plan with my mother despite all the issue on the way of wedding..

Well that is one Pali Professor..the other side was MOHIM Babu..assume promod babu who were allied with Brandies..of US Supreme court..thus Louis I Kahn..and others..

 ________________________________
From: Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com>
To: "chottala@yahoogroups.com" <chottala@yahoogroups.com>
 Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: Famous Scientist -

 Mr Aslam

 Do bring up interesting issue of ASIATIC Society in England...Many things have changed in England as i get hint British them selves are caught in between left and right..well in England their are infact three major parties..TORIES, LABOR and LIBERAL on top if they ruled Hong Kong for 200 yr thus many Chinese their..well they also have Dalai Lama people too..may not believe all political parties are influenced...by DEBORE the Diamond Merchant & Total Petroleum and Wealthy Communist..then their is EU issue..

England also has many racial issue to ethnicity to religious issue..in many ways would assume some where some leaders of British some how remained sane..it is indicative in investigate some prominent English that converted to ISLAM..well lets say Musician Cat Steven..if one read the narration how then Royals .. designated English and Hindus to protect them from being harmed as many did not like..one of them was tied to METHODIST CHURCH..

 Well as you mention In England their is one of the best collection of BUDDHIST STUDIES too..I guess then you throw in all the Barristers..and Doctors..it is as big of a melting pot as US is.. well their is part of my problem the battle of inheritance I am in some moved to England..

It is them and Salauddin Kader and French and Jews..& some of the scientist you mentioned of go thru Fazle Kadr archive..they hoped for 50/50 split in an oil inheritance..and carved out a stance with that view..to find who ever designated it changed it to..100 for me as Prince Charles with lord Mt Batten Powell was involved in the mess..

To be honest both side of Bangladesh war..in Hill tracts were funded by Chinese arms

Debasish Barua
___________________________
From: SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Re: Famous Scientist -

  
Mr. Debasish Barua

 How do you know Oppenheimer looked like your  GUNOMEJU ????
[ You said "Here it is how he looked like." On the top of Oppenheimer's picture in your post… ????
  
You put A.D. with out of context…. In reality A.D. means Anno Domini (AD or A.D.) is a designation used to label or number years after the death of Jesus Christ in Julian and Gregorian calendars.
  
The study of Sanskrit in the in the Western world began in the 17th century. In 1786 Sir William Jones (British Scholar) had founded The Asiatic Society He noted similarities between Sanskrit, Ancient Greek and Latin—an event which is often cited as the beginning of comparative linguistic, Indi-European studies, and Sanskrit philology. In 1789 Jones published a translation of  Kalidasa's The Recognition of Skuntala.

J. Robert Oppenheimer in 1933 met the Indologist Arthur W. Ryder at University of California, Berkeley and learned Sanskrit.
Oppenheimer read the Bhagavad Gita in the original language. Later he
cited it as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life,
and his quotation from the Bhagavad Gita "Now, I am become Death, the
destroyer of worlds." in reference to the Trinity Test (Manhattan Project) is
well-known.....!
  
Obviously, you are confused with various types of Radiations.
Specially, when you said "one of the side effect of radiation is sleepy ness. "
 You said: " I think he is the only one that as part of research IDENTIFIED HOW AND MANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN RADIATION TAKES EFFECT>>THAT includes STRONG SMELL..STATIC ELECTRICITY..VIBRATION their is few more mention of things like this........................one of the side effect of radiation is sleepy ness.."
X-rays/Gamma-rays are not ordinary radiation …. These rays are very
High Frequency electromagnetic radiations (Gamma rays typically have frequencies above 10 exahertz (or >1019 Hz)). Gamma-rays are ionizing radiations, highly penitrating and severely damages biological cells .....
 cell's DNA damage, cell death due to damaged DNA, increasing incidence of
 cancer) rather than burns, not just sleepyness as you say ......

High frequency Gamma-rays are produced, mainly by the disintegration
of Radioactive atoms ….. The Nuclear chain reaction, that forms the basis
of Atomic Bombs was first hypothesized  by Hungarian scientist  Leo
Szilard … but he did not propose fission as the mechanism for his chain
reaction, since the fission reaction was not yet discovered or even
suspected. After Nuclear Fission  was discovered by others in 1938,
Szilárd and EnricoFermi in 1939 searched for, and discovered, neutron
multiplication in uranium, proving that a nuclear chain reaction by this
mechanism was indeed possible. This discovery prompted the US
initiative to emphasize nuclear research with the apprehension that Nazi
Germany might be attempting to build an atomic bomb….

Your statement  "Back to AMAR Bose he is actually AMAR PALI..the man responsible for managing investments of SUBHASH BOSE and allies..among it is many apartments..one of which is DAL HOUSY SQUARE where my father used to stay with his aunt..  "  ….. is out and out Bullshit ….. !!!!!

Amar Gopal Bose (অমর গোপাল বসু ; born November 2, 1929) is an American by birth, of Bengali ancestry .  He was only 13 years old and just entered the Abington Senior High School in Abington, Pennsylvania,, when SUBHASH  BOSE formed  his first Azad Hind Fauj (INA) in 1942......

Thanks for patience ...

 Syed Aslam

FYI, Oppenheimer enrolled at Harvard, where he took an intense
program that ranged from math and sciences to philosophy and
Eastern religions and French and English literature. Among the
sciences, he preferred chemistry because it  "starts right at the heart
of things." He was granted advanced standing to work with experimental
physicist Percy Bridgeman. Oppenheimer graduated summa cum laude
with an Bachelor of Arts (A.B) degree from Harvard. Later, he studied
with Max Born at the University of Cöttingen in Germany, from which
he received his doctoral degree (1927). Before comming to Cöttingen, he
did some graduate research at the Cambridge University, U.K.


 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Yes

 Notice the Foot Note in my email. It is stated as A.D. usually that means after death. Now if you go thru names and many that was involved you will find..who else that other nasty name PHILLIPS..as i have claimed it all starts with Discovery of GAMA Ray..
 Inaddition among many things of GUNOMEJUS patent claim..is as known as a medicine man...among his other discoveries is TEA BAG (Sri Lanka is Tea Producing Country..in addition Bhutto was married to lady from guess where ISPAHANI the TEA MOGULs..) they sure do know..who the developer of TEA BAG thus the royalty to many thing..
Last but not least..their is this medicine sold thru..retail out lets..its name is NO DOZ..this medicine keeps you up at a minimum for few days..you will not feel tired..one of the side effect of radiation is sleepy ness..well that is part of the issue of GUNOMEJUS origin of research..

I think he is the only one that as part of research IDENTIFIED HOW AND MANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN RADIATION TAKES EFFECT>>THAT includes STRONG SMELL..STATIC ELECTRICITY..VIBRATION their is few more mention of things like this..

Conduct patent search of NO DOZ you will come across GUNOMEJUS name and his now Bangladesh Address..you might have to go thru patent application..may not believe this much popular energy drinks are inspired by NO DOZ..only thing is NO DOZ after a day or two use will make your eye lids some discomfort..

One of the thing is..all others interested in Patent over looked his this discovery..they were after the much coveted discovery..

In addition about AMAR BOSE of BOSE RADIO..he is no one else but one of the lead follower of SUBASH BOSE...I have mentioned of DINESH CHANDRA..do you know why he was killed part due to..that is my mothers fathers, father..( he looked like ZENG ZAO MINH of CHINA A.D.).

From what I understand in those days..when he still was in Burma..US approached DINESH CHANDRA as he was British Postal service employee .in Burma thru British to investigate source of SUBASH BOSE funding of anti British activity ..it is with Postal master jurisdiction to investigate wire fraud and etc..thus those days SUBASH BOSE activities and his loyalist were getting money thru Money orders..even abroad....The thing is Subash Bose was not only considered threat to British..he was considered threat to US..among many reasons why US Bombed JAPAN was SUBASH BOSE was in one of those two cities..the DOME LIKE STRUCTURE you see in one of the Bombed site was considered what Oppenheimer were racing up against..Japanese were going to develop it before US and thus use it a head of him..this after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and dragged US into Second World war..

Here is a Japanese Navy Movie ADMIRAL YAMAMOTO..it is in Japanese..story of a US Harvard educated Japanese Navy men..YAMAMOTO was the COMMAND of the JAPANESE NAVAL FLEET for I think PACIFIC COAST..may not believe this Pearl Harbor Pilots included KOREAN Pilots..

 If you go thru the Japanese language movie..YAMAMOTO received more then one request from Japanese High Command to draw up a battle plan to attack US..he steadfastly refused.. every time..He responded backs attacking US would be colossal mistake ..story has it Japanese High Command repeatedly insisted..thus..HE EVEN INVOKED BUDDHA in his inner debate..he finally gave in and agreed to draw up pearl harbor battle plan..he came to understand dragging in US into the war would be the only way to end that war that was causing severe hard ship in Japan and the countries involved..

Back to AMAR Bose he is actually AMAR PALI..the man responsible for managing investments of SUBHASH BOSE and allies..among it is many apartments..one of which is DAL HOUSY SQUARE where my father used to stay with his aunt..

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From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Famous Scientist - who is "Gunomeju from Sri Lanka." ?????

Mr. Debasish Barua

That is a picture of J. Robert Oppenheimer, who led the Manhattan Project, the work of the scientists at Los Alamos that resulted in the first
artificial Nuclear Explosion [Atom Bomb] in New Mexico desert, on July
16, 1944. This site was code-nammed as TRINITY in mid-1944.
Oppenheimer had an inner conscious biting while working on the project.
Oppenheimer later recalled that, while witnessing the explosion, he thought
of a verse from Hindu  Holy  book Bhagabod Gita:
"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." [Rudra the destroyer .....]  etc

In any case, your posting of that picture was misleading and fake !!!!!
Please try to be honest and you must know that "honesty is the best policy "

Thanks

 Syed Aslam
>
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:

Their is attempt to wipe out GUNOMEJU's history..If you wish to find out more of him..go thru the history of CHITTAGONG BUDDHIST TEMPLE..you may also find him standing next to elephant in SRI LANKA Stamp..

Here it is how he looked like..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x39eRJA1aVU

 A.D.
________________________________
From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:06 PM
Subject: Famous Scientist - who is "Gunomeju from Sri Lanka."

 Debasish Barua

Which Gunomeju you are talking about ???
Can elaborate on who is this great inventor
"Gunomeju from Sri Lanka." ??
When did he live (year of birth etc. ) ???

 What is his full name? What was his speciality ???
 Can you give us some reference to the list of his publications
 in peer-reviewed journal of science and technology??

Will appreciate your candid reply - unbiased, impartial and
free from any prejudice & without partiality!
Thanks


Syed Aslam

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Debasish Barua <gorba196138@yahoo.com> wrote:

I guess no one will take anything away from the achievements of these..Scientist except for in the foot notes..it is interesting Venkat Raman studied in Presidency college in Madras and taught in Calcutta Presidency College. I would be surprised some where their is Bose Connection as he mentions friends..and their is out side possibility my father who studied also in Calcutta Presidency College  came across some of them. He used to stay with his aunt that is The famed Jyotirmala..who was also incapable to bear child. I think they used to stay in Calcutta Apartment..of DAL HOUSY SQUARE..it is interesting why he left from their and moved to MEDINI POOR to stay with his cousin..an used to work in a Ration Shop. He fails BA ( geography major ) from Calcutta Board..he then returns to Chittagong and appears for BA exam again and passes....It is from that Ration Job earnings he bought part of a Land in Calcutta with his cousin, the oldest brother of all that reside in Panditiya Residence..just to give hint why He went to Medini Poor who else Dhiman Dr Hounding him..thus one clue is case is in Medinipoor..may be some Ration Shop employees..

In addition ..where this states..of.Tamil Nadu, may not believe it is one of the cause of 40 year war between Tamils and Sinhalese..as Gunomeju was from Sri Lanka.. interesting invokes Optics and some kind of seems like RAY GUN, The way I understand it..it is the simple experiment in PHYSICS lab Taught in my high school..that covers deflection of LIGHTS..it is light source in one end and lenses on clam..as the light passes thru the Lenses..it takes a concentrated form...well it is the same principal this RAY GUN if any..difference is the rays are being passed thru a Metal TUBE with lenses being able to be adjusted..in strange way Light source, lenses all in one track like railway..

Debasish Barua
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[chottala.com] 20 years of Babri demolition: Nothing much has changed



20 years of Babri mosque demolition: Nothing much has changed




Communal violence pays. Secular forces may find it disheartening, but this is one lesson sectarian Muslims and parochial Hindus seem to have learnt in the 20 years since Babri Mosque's demolition on December 6, 1992.

A large number of shopkeepers have exaggerated the losses they suffered in communal clashes during Durga Puja in October this year - in the hope of getting hefty compensation from the state government.

Inflated claims

On the other hand, a new breed of poor youths is learning a concocted communal story against Muslim rulers in the Vishwa Hindu Parishad's (VHP) Karsewakpuram in Ayodhya. Explaining the economics of a riot, an officer of the sales tax department told Mail Today that shopkeepers make exaggerated claims of damage to their property mostly to get hefty compensation from the government.

"We have received about 50 applications for compensation from the shopkeepers of Ayodhya and Faizabad. Over 20 of them have claimed that their goods worth more than Rs.1 crore were damaged in the clashes. On physical verification, we found that their shops were not big enough to accommodate such huge quantities," the official said.

He added: "A footwear shop owner stated that shoes worth Rs.2 crore were gutted. But when we started our inquiry, he requested us to change the amount to Rs.2 lakh. If there are 40 Muslim shopkeepers who have claimed compensation, there are 10 Hindus also."

When the mosque was brought down 20 years ago and the entire country was burning, the Hindus and Muslims of Ayodhya had stayed calm. Ten years later, in 2002, large-scale communal violence was witnessed in Gujarat after dozens of kar sewaks returning from Ayodhya were charred in a train fire; but the people of the holy city didn't indulge in any such activity.

But the same set of Hindus and Muslims resorted to violence and burnt each other's properties from October 24 to 26 over a minor dispute. Ramit Sharma, who was senior superintendent of police of Faizabad at the time of the October riots, said: "When a rioter set on fire one of the shops, there were mostly highly inflammable plastic items inside it. We kept requesting the neighbouring shopkeepers to remove all the items from their shops, but they neither acted on our request nor allowed the police to do so."

A new breed of aggressive Hindus is coming up in Ayodhya under the guidance of the saffron organisations. The VHP runs classes for Dalit students in Karsewakpuram and teaches them that members of their community were freedom fighters during the medieval period.

"It's a fact that Dalits fought Muslim rulers during the medieval period. They were freedom fighters. We have been teaching these things in our classes," said VHP spokesperson Sharad Sharma. "We have samrasta vibhag (social harmony department) which has identified 32 castes that were declared Dalits during Muslim rule. We remind them of their glorious past."

SC directive

The Supreme Court on Thursday asked the Rae Bareli court to conduct trial in the Babri case expeditiously without being influenced by the fact that an appeal by CBI seeking to revive conspiracy charges against L.K. Advani, M.M. Joshi and others was pending before it. The bench also further permitted deletion of Bal Thackerey's name from the array of respondents since he is dead.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/babri-masjid-demolition-case-sc-directs-expeditious-hearing/1/236367.html
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/20-years-afyter-babri-mosque-demolition-in-1992/1/236450.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bengali/news/2012/12/121206_mb_ayodhya_20yrs.shtml


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[chottala.com] Sharia Laws are out of date and Anti-Islamic for peace and Justice in the present day World and Family- "Divine Stone" movie depicts it




Dear Islamists (Orthodox and Fundamentalist Muslim - 80%) Moderates-14%, and Extremist- 6% (approximately- Ref.  in Wikipedia the percentage of extremists in Islam is 6% out of 1.3 billion Muslims, Ref. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_percentage_of_Muslim_moderates_and_extremists_in_Islam  ),

Here is the "reason and Conscience" speaking through the three parts video movie "Divine Stone"  originally made in Bangla,  translated into English,  Arabic,  and other languages: Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHD16-dNkmI&feature=relmfu Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DucgzguXdcw&feature=relmfu Part three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV2MDPzvrWw&feature=relmfu  ,
 that Sharia Laws are out of date and not compatible with modern times of truthfulness, fairness, and equal justice for all i.e. Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml  .
So my friends in these days of 'Google search and Google provided knowledge gathering opportunity'  we need not learn from uneducated and dumb Moulanas or Imams any more or be misguided by them about real and truthful Islam and our Creator Allah.
Yours sincerely,
Golam F. Akhter, Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition Inc.


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[chottala.com] India for allowing its cos to export from Bangladesh via NE



India for allowing its cos to export from Bangladesh via NE





India has sought Bangladesh's permission to allow exports by Indian companies operating in its country through the North-Eastern region besides earmarking land for setting up India-specific Special Economic Zones (SEZs) there.

North-East Region may serve as a gate-way for exporting goods from Bangladesh, especially, to Indian market and can help in giving a push to trade and investment between the two neighboring nations, an official said.
"The trade volume between the two countries was far below the potential. Thus, we have urged the Bangladesh government to allow use of its territory by Indian companies which are operating in Bangladesh to export their goods via North-East region," Commerce Secretary S R Rao said yesterday.

He also said the multi-modal transport, especially waterways and railways could play a crucial role in giving a fillip to the trade volumes between the two countries.This would also encourage Indian investments in Bangladesh which in turn will create jobs and give a boost to their economy, he told reporters here.

Rao, who led a Ficci business delegation to Dhaka during the 'India Show', took up these issues during meetings with Bangladesh Foreign Minister Dipu Moni, Finance Minister Abul Maal Abdul Muhith and Commerce Minister Ghulam Muhammed Quader."India Show", wherein 100 Indian companies like Tata Motors, Ashok Leyland and BHEL showcased their products, was organized by Ficci in association with Commerce and Industry Ministry.

Appreciating India's proposals, Bangladesh Foreign Minister said that her government is following a liberal policy on foreign investment and would welcome Indian investors in the country. -PTI

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