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From: Belal Beg <begbelal@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 6:30:39 PM
Subject: RE: Please comment against educaion policy
Hello Kazi Sb,
You have tricked me into an unwanted and useless debate. If I back out, your ignorance, half informations, confusions and half-baked ideas will go unchallenged.
1. You acknowledged that British colonialists introduced Madrassa. They also introduced 'schools' meaning the same as Madrassa in Arabic. Why did they do so? It was the Macaulayian principle of 'Devide and rule'. You said this is not a factor against religious education. But this is the most important factor as religius education is faith-based and secular education is intellect based. Faith may be true or false and you can not question it. Madrassa educated Bengali Muslims, generation after generation did not use their gift of reasoning for more than hundred years. As a result they have become a concieted class of social weeds living on charity and sell of religious services to ignorant villagers.
2. Religious education is indeed burden to modern State. That is why religion is not taught in public schools. It goes against modern concept of education which says, 'education is life and preparation for life' Modern education is based on understanding of human psychology through its various stages of development till a human youth gets into the stream of work force with ability and efficiency. ( Ayub Khan's education policy had a wonderful slogan 'education is investment in human resources')
The curses of western civilization you mentioned, are not effects of education system; they are individual differences in a free society. Threat to family ties is their acute concern also. This actually became highlighted in the last few elections of America . The educators and the media are all trying to keep up the family bondage along with individual freedom. Family ties of Bengali Muslims or Bengali Hindus do not come from religion, they are part of our Bengali common cultural heritage. The curses you mentioned may look curse to people who do not understand western society which places highest value to individual freedom and dignity. As a matter of fact, their common people like you and most of the Churches also cry against those human conditions
You have mentioned a few crimes and you jumped into the conclusion that religious education can stop them. Concept of crime is a very complicated issue. You seemed to have oversimplified it. Some crimes may lie in genes but most crimes come from social, cultural and economic situations in a class-ridden society where distribution of wealth and amenities is unjust. If religious education could do away with crime, Bangladeshi Muslims ( most of the criminals ) would never do any crime because all of them begin their life with religious teaching at home and Maktabs.
Bhai Ismail, I have lost my patience by trying to reply to you paragraph by paragraph. I did understand you are either an incorrigible Jamatee or a rootless BNP. You do not understand the spirit of the historical Bangali who is religious by nature and secular by culture. You will never understand the significance and impact of Liberation War because of your blind religious views. Suffice it say Quodrot e Khuda Commission is based on the spirit of Muktijuddoh. It was under a process of scrutiny when enemies of Bangladesh massacred Bangabandhu and his family along with four top national leaders in order to surreptitiously retake Bangladesh for the so called Islamic Republic of Pakistan. You know very well who brought in expelled Golam Azam and who created BNP to protect Jamaat, the agent of Pakistan . It is our great fortune that we could model our new education policy in the line of Quodrot e Khuda Commission.
Bhai Ismail,
May I request you not to pester me further by continuing this incoherent meaningless debate. Even if you do so, I will delete it immediately. Thank you
Belal Beg
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:09:39 -0700
From: kazimohammadismail@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Please comment against educaion policy
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Dear Belal sb
Salam and thanks for your reply. You are obviously right that The British Emperor creates the problem. But question is not there. Question is here, what should we do now.
Firstly, we should think that religious education is not burden to be a modern(?) state. What modern concept will be agreed by you? As like American or British. The modern America/Europe is against family life. They agreed with lesbianism, ageism, firing in school, dancing, nudism, huge number of single mother or child without father. The modern civilization is like individualism where women only bear the duties to her children. The child never can get sympathy or any rights from his father. The modern concept is to aggression to another country and killing mass people.
It is because only the faith. They have no faith in their education. They have no responsibility in their own or to other people or to other faith.
So, we need to include our faith in our educational policy.
Secondly, you know that our nation are suffering for hijacking, kidnapping, muggers, roberring, murder etc. even by our university/college students. If they have proper knowledge about the final reconciliation after the death they never can do this.
So, we have to include responsibility and religious faith in our educational system.
Thirdly, the proposed educational system is more biased by political concept. The so called Kudrati khuda Comission was formed by our great leader Bnagabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. But he never implemented the secular system in our country. Moreover the Kudrati Khuda commission proposal was targeted for 2o years from 1972. But it left 40 years. So, why should we accept the old concept?
Fourthly, If this is not political proposal why only Madhrasha education system would be changed and why not it in A level, O level or kindergarten system? For why O level and A level students should not be taught about 'Bangladesh Knowledge?' Why it will be touch only into madrasha and general system? Why only Madrasha education will be supervised by local public but not general system? what is the answer?
Fifthly, religious education system is not burden to modern knowledge. Islam emphasised about scientific research and thus we saw that Muslims scholars rides the worlds education for about 7 hundreds years.
So, why should not we want to sit as rider again?
Sixthly, now a days we read the news that different modern country like Britain proposed to educate their children with proper religious knowledge in their school. And by the President Obama's speech we know that settler's students are doing better than American origin. And it is for their inherited religious concept, responsibility to their family and country.
So, what's the problem to get religious knowledge for our children in our country?
Seventhly, we all read the news about Dr. Emajuddin Ahmed's comments. He speaks at a seminar at National Press club organised by Sacheton Nagorik Samaj. He said that no education will be fruitful without religious knowledge. Secular education concept is no where in the world. Religion is the origin of the education. Education comes from Mandir, Masjid, Girga, Pagoda. So, no education will be completed without its origin (religion).
Moreover, I thanking you again. And I always honour your comments and I never cut off your contact from my e-mail list. I think you will honour my comments and our government will honour our nation's faith and will cancel the proposed education policy.
I agreed with you that our half educated 'moulavis' are blind about modern world. Besides, I also think that our half educated 'misters' are irresponsible to our country and corruption halted our development. I firmly agreed that If our government honour some of our religious scholar's thinking a few review/amendment of the policy can fruitful and acceptable to the whole nation.
Thank u all.
Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel.
Mirpur, Dhaka
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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:40:06 AM
Subject: RE: Please comment against educaion policy
Dear Kazi sb,
It is obvious you do not know me or my mission in life. If you did, you could never include me in your mailing list. Actually, I stand diametrically opposed to you in all respects. your idea of religion or the need of religious education is no different than half informed village Moulavi who is happily blind about the advancement of human civilization and the needs of a modern State. The education policy which has been prepared by some of the topmost scholars of the country seems to be able to foster a purposeful productive people and develop a standard of life which will be modern at the same time based on our heritage. Unfortunately,the Commission did not dare abolish Madrassa education, the British tool to keep out from the body-polity, the dangerous Muslim population by making them satisfied and steeped in their imported Arab customs and tradition. They however wisely created avenues for the Madrassa students to follow their own aptitudes and ambitions. Phenomenal progress in communication technology has made our planet a global village where young generation will vie for the best jobs anywhere, why should we, the older generation keep them deprived of a life which is local, national and global at the same time. The so called Islamic education is a bundel of archaic rather moribund ideas of a useless, wasted generation who could not free themselves from the shackles put on them by their forefathers. They have no right to stand on the way of the new generation who have the total gamut of human knowledge and technology at the tip of their fingers handing a computer Mouse.
I will request you to review your own thought process which I am afraid is stunted over a long time.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:33:44 -0700
From: kazimohammadismail@yahoo.com
Subject: Please comment against educaion policy
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Dear sir
assalamu alaikum
The proposed education policy is not fruitful for our country. Please reject the policy. Your policy is to reduce religious knowledge but everyone of world knows that its a fundamental subject for teaching of a human being. Without any religious knowledge there is no difference between man and wilds beasts. So you should emphasize on relious based education system instead of secular concept. Now you should rejecet/cancel the following line/para/words from your proposed policy:-
1. Secular based educational system.
2. Lalitakala as a subject for primary level
3. Supervision of local people for madhrashas
4. More general subjects in madhrashas instead of arabic language. On the other side there is no more option for taking relious subjects for general sides.
5. Amalgamation of Madhrasha system into the general system.
6. No more interruption in A level or O level or in kindergarten system.
You should also adopt the following:-
1. Compulsory Religious subjects up to intermediate level.
2. Upper level should have option for taking religious subject as subsidiary syllabus.
3. Religious Practicing students should have get extra marks for public examination and appointment in any job.
Yours faithfully,
Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel
Mirpur Dhaka
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