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Wednesday, July 9, 2008

[chottala.com] Re: [notun_bangladesh] In politics there is no permanent enemy

 
In politics there is no permanent enemy
Abid Bahar
 
In politics there is no permanent enemy. Enemies of liberation takes backseat in textbooks.
When Bush took office Blair was asked to come and stay in the whilehouse to socialize with the new resident. No one complained. When war drums began to be operating, it was operating with syncronizing fasion from London as well. In the South Asian context, to deal with Indian aggression against Bangladesh, it is as if Bangladesh and Pakistan joins again. If India ever attacks Bangladesh,  we can expect that the latter might ask for Pakistan's help. But India-lovers would say Bangladesh became jamati, India would say, Bangladesh became Islamic, and American right would say, Bangladesh became a Taliban state.
But after a nation is born, its survival becomes the number 1 priority.
So politics is about what is happening now. India was against USA for a long time, now with USA and Israel. Pakistan was with USA and even helped to make US friendship with China, helped war in Afganistan. Now!
Only fools thinks once enemy, enemy for ever. Once Muslim Leaguer a Muslim Leaguer for ever, once an India -lover, an India -lover for ever. In Bangladesh there are some fools and some agants who are still fighting with the ghost of Pakistan gone four decades ago.  
Realistically speaking, national unity is needed for prosperity. This is a plain truth. Only fools and enemies could preach the opposit.
In India, the fundamentalists even killed Gandhi, the father of the nation, the fundamentalists to gain popularity destroyed a minority's place, the Babri Mosque, formed government. Advani instead of staying in jail became the home minister. India with such records still claims itself as the most peaceful and a progressive nation. Its puppets in Bangladesh says, India is great! and says, in politics, "once enemy, enemy for ever."
What a nonsense!

----- Original Message ----
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:23:59 AM
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday

 
 
Mr. Ayubi
 
Yes, all of our future generation must know what has happened in history?
The nation must understand why did it happen, and how did it happen?
 
The South Africans still hates the "Aparthad Doctrine" and hate the colaborators
and national traitors and white supremist regime. They formed the "Truth Commission"
to expose the traitors and collaborator which had helped them to move farword.
Some culprits [not including the murders] were forgiven not forgotten.
 
The history of USA is a very important subject which is a requirement
for High School graduation. It emphasizes the American War of Independence
against the British. The collaborators of British occupation are still hated.
The top collaborator of the list is Benidict Arnold, whose name has become
synonimous with word for traitors [Just like Mir zafor in Bangla]
 
Most collaborators of  US imperialists in Vietnam has fled the
country and settled in USA and Australia. As such they are not an
important issue in Vietnam. However, known collaborator and
traitors of US imperialists are not welcome in Vietnam.
Vietnam has laws in their book to isolate and punish the traitors.
They don't advocate or preach Unity with the Traitors and collaborators.
 
All traitors and collaborators in Bangladesh should have moved to Pakistan.
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan should have accepted the stranded people
in Geneva camp and other camps who has expressed their alligence to that nation.
 
The International Affairs and diplomatic relations are different issues.
You are mixing up the issues, your business as usual !
 
What you are advocating is in essence  white washing Jamaate Islami's
criminal past and their role as traitors and collaborators. Our young
generation must know what has happend in history.
 
You seem to support burying our history under the rugs?
 
You have expressed you  vigilance on the activities of RAW in
Bangladesh. If there is a list of known RAW agents, Kader Siddiqui
would most probably on the top of the list of RAW agents in Bangladesh.
After Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's assasination in 1975, Kader Siddiqui fled the
country with his group, setting up home and hearth in Bardwan .....
Kader Siddiqui operated from Indian territory from 1975 to 1985
and constantly troubled the Bangladesh government with many instances
of terrorism. During President Zia's time he was tried in absentia
and was convicted... ....I am not sure if  you have a selective memory,
deleberate forgetfulness, or inadvertant !
 
Kader Siddiqui has been advocating for purging Jamaat from govt, ruling alliance
during the period of Jote sarker
 
Not too long ago [Februat 2008] he asked to bar war criminals
 
Now, all on a sudden he has a Chage of Heart? I wonder what kind of Bhondami is this?
Strange !!!!! Kader Siddiqui's new stanch is for sure is politically motivated.!!
 
Why does not these simple facts  register in you intelligent brain?
 
I agree that what Kader Siddiqui is saying today is exactly what you
haveen advocating for long time.. Is that just a statistical coincidence:
great people think alike or part of a concerted effort by  some "vested interests"
who have been trying to "UNIFY" the nation  under their banner in the name
of prosperity?
 
Syed Aslam
 
PS: Kader Siddiqui for purging Jamaat from govt, ruling alliance
Picture

Prime Minister Khaleda Zia talks to the leaders of Krishak Sramik Janata League at her office yesterday, the first day of the national dialogue on how to stop bomb terrorism. PHOTO: STAR
 
  
On 7/9/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

              Do you mean to say that we will be teaching our posterity the lessons of 1971 till eternity?  Americans fought a bittter war of independence against the Britiah colonial power over 230 year ago. They must also have thie quislings of the imperialists but are they still campaigning against the British or their quislings? 

            Vietnam was united after a bitter war with US imperialists lasting for over two decades.  Quisslings fearing repraisal ventured to run away from their country in dilapidated boats risking their lives.  Today three deades on there is no quisling in Vietnam.  They have sorted them out.

             South Africa was under oppresive rule of  minority white regime. There were white oppressors and black quislings? Are they teaching hatred to their people like you are trying propqagate hatred.  Even a freedom fighter of Kader Siddiqui's stature sees this division as politically motivated.

           I woulds like JIB to be seen and treated on basis of their their performance of 2008. If they have wronged against the country in 1971 then those suspects ahould be tried as per law of the land and those found guilty be punished.,. Why does not this simple fact register in you intelligent brain?

                     Salahuddin Ayubi

--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:37 PM


Dear Mr. Ayubi
 
Sorry, if I have misunderstood you!
 
The essence of my perspective is that we should all take lessons from
the history, else the history may repeat. All of our new generations must
know what has happened in the past, what price we have paid for our
nation's independence .....
Nothing personal ... please take it easy...
Have patience  ...
 
Thanks
 
Syed Aslam
 


On 7/6/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

              You are natural writer and write well. You would have been successful as a lawyer had you been a lawyer. You have a knack for twisting facts. I am no bloody sympathiser of JIB but all that i want is that we must conclude the episode of 1971 if need by trying the criminals of 1971.  For us to march ahead we have to bury the past. Many countries before us have done it. We have to make a better bangladesh for which our brothers and sisters made the supreme sacrifice. We are betraying them when we see that those poor souls are being made gunea pigs of power politics here.. Their souls must be restless out there in the haven when they watch us doing politics about them from up above. Please do not get me wrong. I have never ever voted for JIB.

                Salahuddin Ayubi

--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 4:26 PM


Mr. Ayubi
You don't have to agree with me, you are in essence,pleading for Jamaate Islami through your innuendoes I have said many time that I look at every move thatJamaatis make with a grain of salt....
 
It is very clear that you feel irritated, because  you can't accept the fact
that Bangladeshis were victorious and won their  independence through the
Glorious Liberation War. Our nationalism is embedded inthe fight for
independence and vice versa.
 
Our victory in the Liberation war was the starting point from which we marched
farward.We paid with blood as the price for our liberation, so we the people of
Bangladesh know how precious our National Independence is!  The war of
liberation will remain as inspiration for all our future generations.
 
Yes, everyone has right to preach his/her ideology.By the same token the people has right know that Jamaats played a henious anti-people role in 1971 as
traitor killer,& collaborator of a foreign occupation army in the name of
Islam.. 
 
Again, anyone has right to preach an ideology or a doctrine. The others also
have the right to show to the public how dangerous that ideology or doctrine
could be based on historical evidences.
 
Do you really understand why Jamaat named its Gestapo wing as Al-bodor
exactly 1380 years after our Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) faught the
Battle of Badar? Jamaat's Albador wing carried out many of the killing
missions in the name of Islam, 1971 is history but the dangerous ideolody
that misguided young Islami Chattro Shangho caders (currently Sibir)
still exist. Every killing was done in the name of Islam. read it once again:
Here is the quote justifying the genocide of 1971 in the
name of Islam:
"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves
death penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supported
the army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami League
tried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslim
enemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem
Jun 23, 2008 12:39 am
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 7/6/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

              i am sorry that I cannot agree with you that any war can be the basis of nationhod. Wars are fought to establsh or protect a principle.. The basis of nationhood of Bangladesh is nationalism . We fought to establish this nationalism and succeeded in establishing it. So the basis of Bangladeshi nationhold is nationalism.

            We claim that we are a democratic country. If so then all parties have the right to profess their ideology and it is upto tthe people of the country to accept or reject that ideology.  It is only the facist who oppose propagation of any ideology other than their facist party's ideology.. In democratic bangladesh JIB has as much a right to profess their ideology as any othe party and it is upto the people of the county to accept or reject them..  To reject them for a crime, that has yet to be proved in a court of law , some forty years ago.  You can not didmiss them summarily.  If you have a case against them please do bring charges against them, prove it in the court, penalise them and then forget about them and leave them to the public opinion. You are avoiting the right path instead  following smear campaign against JIB.  This I consider to be against  democratic principle.. We have to first decide if we are a democratic country or a facist country in the lebas of a democratic country.

             Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Mr. Ayubi - Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:26 PM

 
Mr. Salauddin Ayubi
 
The Liberation war forms the basis of our Nationhood and will remain as such forever.
 
Both BAL & BNP boasts of their participation in Liberation war. It's a shame that now you
are tryinng to undermine BNP with unsubstantiated rumors [born ............ ........
under the supervision of the country' s military intelligence ]. However, you must know that
BNP's strength was  mainly the public perception about General Zia's Announcement of
Independence of Bangladesh and his participation in Liberation war !!!!!!
Jamaats (JIB) played a henious anti-people role in 1971 as traitor & collaborator of
a foreign occupation army in the name of Islam..
 
As we see, in recent years  there was a tremendous infiltration of thugs & currupt 
people in all of our political parties and the BNP was no exception. That was a national
phenomenon and may be discussed in a different thread. [Why did it happen and
how did it happen .etc ...]
 
These currupt people while in power (2001-2006) ushered the largest
accumulation of black money in history of  Bangladesh: ...the classic primitive
accumulation of crony capitals ,,,,,,, Jamaate Islami was the main accessory
to this "perfect" crime ...... Opportunist power broker Jamaat kept its mouth shut
during these accumulaton process.[For opportunist Jamaat, staying in power was
more important than defending the public rights & interests. Jammat (JIB) even
turned its blind eye on the outgrowth of social evils (drug, prostitution, thuggery,
human trafficking etc.) in Bangladesh causing a great disservice to Islam and
proving that its Islam-passand politics is only in its lebash  -- a camoflague.. ....]
 
Again, Jamaat did everything in the name of Islam .... The holy alliance of
misrule resulted in the greatest shark attack on the masses on Bangladesh !!!!!!
 
India has it's own headaches & migranes, so it has it own limitations ,,,, we have
to defend ourselves against all foreign agressions.Our tradition created by our
muktijuddhas and the sacrifices made by our people in 1971 will always serve as an
inspiration against all foreign agressors real or imaginary [be it India, China or USA].
 
FYI Pakistan's role in fanning up disturbances in CHT can not be ruled out:
Islamabad  based  Pakistani Minister Raja Tridib Roy declared that Chittagong Hill Tracts
will be free soon. [ http://www.banglara dio.org.au/ BR-Archive- 2006.htm ]. This was as recent
as in December 2006. In the current Pakistan government too Raja Tridib Roy holds
the position of a Federal Minister. Why? Whom does he represent?
 
Another culprit was  traitor Mahmud Ali who was kept as Federal Minister of Pakistan till his
death (November 18, 2006). There are many indications which proves that the rulers of Pakistan
still have political agenda to entangle Bangladesh in an united Pakistan.
 
There are many news published in recent times that Pakistani ISI and its operatives are
still very active even in the internal politics of Bangladesh.  [more later in appropriate thread...]
 
In any case the, your statement "country perosper based on the realities of today where
as you want to cling on to the past." is nothing but a slogan mongering  to defend the
JIB (Jamaat) from their crimes of 1971. Jamaat may put on a new mask, new camoflague,
but they can not hide their past .....no matter how hard you try ....
 
Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday.
Once a collaborator, always a collaborator .......[Jamaat is always a collaborator
in the perfect crimes against our people]
 
Syed Aslam
 
PS: "turn a blind eye and a deaf ear every now and then, and you will get marvellously well."
 
 
On 7/4/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
I agree with you that our outlooks are fundamentally different.  I for one would like to see my country perosper based on the realities of today where as you want to cling on to the past. Our murky past is not going to help us in the twenty first century world. liberation war has been capitalised by a particular party and they are using it to misrule the country. That party's track record is full of betryal of the people of this country. If that was not so then how political party that was born in the cantonment under the supervision of the country' s military intelligence  become peoples party and beat them hollow in any fair poll. Voters dont make mistake.

         As regards JIB it has been nearly forty years and they have not done anything to betray the trust of the people and that is why some people vote for them and they have become power brokers. You may like them or not  but they surely are a established power broker.

       Only trac that you play is anti Pakistani and anti Jamat record but today our main enemy is india who are doing propaganda against us and they were responsible for the CHT disturbances. They have not been fair with us as regard water sharing of the joint rivers. In 2008 our enemy is not Pakistan but  India and we have to find out mens of dealing with them effectively.

                  Salahuddin Ayubi


--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 5:16 PM

Jamaate Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami of yesterday (1971)
They have only change in camoflague
 
 
 
Mr. Salauddin Ayubi Shaheb
 
Are you just looking back in anger ? Where is your logic? 
You have only slanders. twists and misrepresentations .....
 
"No amount of logic will convince you" - it applies to you more than anyone
else in all the Bangladeshi forums !!! Aren't you playing your own broken
records too !! Is it 7-track ?  ,,,, Sorry those have become obsolete and archaic
.... only few antic collectors have that .... perhaps you are one of them ....
[7-track tape recorder: IBM's first magnetic tape data storage devices, introduced
in 1952]
 
One track mind ? What is that ? I thought you are retired engineer.
Since when you became a psychologist? In any case, I have what Allah the
Almighty has given me ... Everything in this world is will of Allah including
your "creative" thoughts ....
 
 
 
 
Mr. Ayubi, we [meaning U and me] conceptually differ and differ vastly: We
have different visions for our nation.  Read all my posts, be honest and show
the message number(s)  that fits your slanderous accusations of "BAL activist
you are anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian" . I can see your basic philosophy is
"those not with us, are against us"    ...... . Utter intolerance toward others....
You are not alone in this game ..... there many of you mastuto cousins who
believe in the same philosophy and same doctrine.
 
Yes, I always look at JIB (Jamaat) with a grain of salt, because
of it's past as a traitor and collaborator of a foreign occupation army ......
 
Once a traitor, always a traitor .... A traitor can not be reformed ....
they don't have change of heart or even change of mind.
They have only change of camoflague .Deep inside, the Jamaate
Islami of today is no different from the Jamaate Islami
of yesterday  (1971)
 
Syed Aslam
 
PS: As you wanted to know, my real name is Syed Aslam. I have a middle
       name and also a nick name [Dak nam]  which I don't want to disclose
       publicly at this time. I fears for my life by getting killed by a hit man on
       false accusation of being an anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian.
      

 
On 7/4/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

              You are a one track minded BAL activist that too a typical one. No amount of logic will convince you , you will keep playing your old broken record but we do not have the patience to listen to such rantings from you. Like a BAL activist you are anti Bangadeshi and pro Indian. may bere you are Indian planted here to misinform and disinform us.

             The number of posts that you make every day is much more than a retired person like me can post..  Do you have anyother job for you to living or just this job of mininfrming and disinforming on berehlf of your employers... ?

                      You have not responded  to my mail requesting your real name/

                               Salahuddin Ayubi








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