U Cannot judge a Book by its cover...
From: "turkman@sbcglobal.net" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: [chottala.com] Att. Dr. Siraj Uddowllah....How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
SIRAJ WROTE:
"Bengali Muslims are now not Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
Leader can tell".
.
TURKMAN:
I was reading a book about situation and circumstances the Prophet Mohammad was born Hijaaz. After learning, what kind of Character those Bedouin had, I had started crying because our Characters are worse than them now and they were called 'Koffaar' by Allah in Qoraan. If they were Koffaar, what are we?
Was word Allah invented by our Prophet? No. It exited before as Supreme God over all gods just like word 'BHugwaan' exists in Hindi and means the same. Did they believe in Allah before birth of our Prophet?
Yes they had. Did they worship Him?
Yes they but Tradition of worship was different. Did they observe 'Rmjaan'?
Yes they did, just like Jews and Christians, who practice Fasting also still but in a different way and in a different Month. Did they pay Alms or Charity like ZkaaT?
Yes they did just like we are doing now. Did they celebrate Eid?
Yes they did because both Eid are their Customs that were adopted in Islam. Did they perform Hajj?
Yes they did and every year because it was also their Tradition that was adopted in Islam. So, in which term were they different from us except calling ourselves Moslims and accepting Prophet Mohammad as Messenger of Allah that Allah should not think of us same as Koffaar since we are worse in character than the one's He had called Koffaar?
Is there any Mollaa that can answer my this question alive?
----------
--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
> Division of India in 1947 is
> shameful and harmful for Muslims people over all of India sub continent. It is
> clear that creation of Pakistan was not for Islam or not for then Indian Muslim€™s
> interest.
> Examples.
> Punjab and Bengal was Muslim
> Majority Provinces in undivided India.
> Â Punjab and Bengal is
> divided.Â
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Majority Muslim' interest?
> Â Or
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Minority Hindus' interest?
> Why are not for the interest of
> Muslim divided other Provinces of India where Muslims are Minority and Hindus
> are Majority?
> Is it not clear?
> Â That division was done Punjab and
> Bengal only for the interest of minority Hindus who are in Punjab and Bengal.
> Â Division was not done other provinces of India
> where Muslims are minority for interest of Muslim. Division also was not done for
> religion of Islam... If division is done for religion then why by division of
> India are not created separate states for Christ people Buddies people Sheik
> people and other religion people of India
>
>
> It can say that
> Â The then Muslims leaders in
> India Sub continent were either not foresighted politicians or were very
> foolish politicians or they were not doing politics for common Muslims€™
> Interest or they thought to getting power and common Muslims people were
> misguided by so called power catching Muslim leaders.
> Urdu and Hindi language speaking leaders
> thought to rule Indian people under control Hindi and UrduÂ
> Language by dividing India in 2 nation theory in the name Hindu
> and Muslims and after division of India Hindi  has become  state
> language of India and Urdu tried in Pakistan. Â Then Muslim Bengali leader
> AK Fazlul Haque who was against of such type division of Bengal understood the meaning of India division in 1947 but others were not and
> foolish Bengal Muslims leaders understood it later.
> And Pakistan broken by the help India for language and was created Bangladesh
>
> Bengali Muslims are now not
> Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
> Leader can tell.
> What Bengali Muslims is either
> Bengali or Bangladeshi? Or Total what?
> Â
> Â
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> From: siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@...>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Dear dina khan I fully agree with your viewpoint but could not
> agree when you mentioned in India there were minority people of Bangla
> language. When we consider in united Pakistan Bangla language was not a
> language of minority people rather this Bangla language people in the whole of
> Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking
> people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language in
> India but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies)  were minority in comparison to
> Bangla speaking people.Â
> The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by
> the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that
> was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish
> Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with
> that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan. Â
> Pakistan was created because
> of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to
> constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East
> Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others.Â
> I really feel pity for the Indian's
> left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in  Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or
> Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars
> used to be named as Biharis over there.Â
> The Muslims from India
> who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and
> western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most
> neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now.
> Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers
> and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the
> beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of
> their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in
> spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of
> 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped
> them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all
> spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology
> and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men of the Muslim
> Ummah.Â
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com; awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> CC: tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; Diagnose@yahoogroups.com; sa7rong@yahoogroups.com; calcutta@yahoogroups.com
> From: dina30_khan@...
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:59:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
> Â
>
>
> Pakistan was created under division of India in 1947 making foolish Muslims and making Bengali people and Bangla language minority people Language in India for Hindi making state language of India and Urdu for Pakistan..
> After division of India Muslims people in India lost their property and birth right in all over of India and being migrated from India to West and East Pakistan lost their life and property.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
> To: awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: t t <tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com>; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; di a <Diagnose@yahoogroups.com>; 7 ro <sa7rong@yahoogroups.com>; chottala@yahoogroups.com; C C <calcutta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 7:22 AM
> Subject: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
>
> My comments are inserted below.
>
> --- In
> alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
> >
> > *How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka*
> >
> >Â Â By Shenali Waduge
> >
> > With a population of 1.2billion living across a landmass of 2973190 square
> > kilometers, there is no denying India’s power. Yet, if not for its
> > inferiority we cannot comprehend why India would desire to adopt a
> > consistent policy and go to great lengths to destabilize each of its
> > neighbors whilst pretending to be their friend.
> .
> TURKMAN: Why was not India pretending to be Friend of Pakistan before 1971? Had Pakistan not declared India her Birth Enemy before all this?
> ----------
> Â Diplomacy is one thing but to know that men and material are being used to destroy a neighboring nation simply does not justify any of the excuses India gives purely to deceive the masses and gain international prestige for
> itself.
> >
> TURKMAN: What 'Material' was India using to destroy Pakistan?
> -----------
> > The example of Bangladesh is perfect to describe the birth of Indian intelligence agency RAW tasked to partition Pakistan and create Bangladesh in 1971. It was in 1947 that 2 different countries were created â€â€Å" Pakistan and India. Muslims were divided into 2 countries bearing 2 different nationalities. West Pakistan was dominated by Punjabi’s while East Pakistan was the home to Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs.
> >
> TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know that Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs did not live in West Pakistan. Nobody knows this.
> -------
> > What we are taught to believe is that Bengali leader Sheikh Mujibar Rehman resented political power vested with West Pakistan elite and had formed the Awami League demanding autonomy for East Pakistan and though he won the 1970 general election, he was put in
> jail leading
> to the Bangladesh Liberation War which created Bangladesh. A missing piece in this incident is the role India’s intelligence played.
> >
> TURKMAN: Oh don't we know, India had turned majority of Pakistanis, the Bengalis in to her Agents before Awami League won, right? India had first ordered Punjabis to discriminate against Bengalis make East Pakistan become a lot poorer than West Pakistan also to cause dissent, right?
> ----------
> > By creating Bangladesh, India also created an enemy in Pakistan.
> .
> TURKMAN: Oh sure, before India created Bangladesh, Pakistan used to be a good Friend of India and had not fought against India in 1948 and Pakistan had not covertly attacked India in 1965. India created an Enemy in Pakistan only in 1971, right Liar?
> ---------
> Â No formal ties will erase the hate Pakistan has against India.
> >
> > The resentment of East Pakistan towards West Pakistan was triggered by none other
> than
> India’s RAW using the card of “discrimination� similar to what they used against the Sinhalese by the Tamils.
> >
> TURKMAN: But who had given that Card of "Discrimination" to India if saintly West Pakistanis were never discriminating against Bengalis since birth of Pakistan?
> ----------
> > What India eventually did was to protect Awami League leaders, train and armed the insurgents which ultimately led to the disintegration of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: If Awami League Leaders were under Indian Protection, how the hell they had gotten arrested so easily by Paki Army Soldiers? Which Bengalis were trained by India before Army Action started against them in March, 1971? What the hell 'MookTi Bhaiyini' had accomplished until Indian Attack on East Pakistan? Which village had gone on its control, forget about cities?
> ---------
> > The Bangladesh breakup according to B.
> Raman’s book “The
> Kaoboys of R&AW� the break up of East Pakistan was carried out in 2 phases by Indira Gandhi and the RAW. Phase 1 was coordinated by Kao and phase 2 by Field Marshal Sham Manekshaw. RAW trained and supplied arms to Bengali anti-Pakistan militants. Indira Gandhi was given bugged conversations of top Pakistani officials. RAW had even funded Mujibur Rahman’s general election in 1970 and trained and armed the Mukti Bahini that RAW officers set up using Bengali refugees.
> .
> TURKMAN: Yeah, but all this would not have happened if West Pakistanis had treated Bengalis as their brothers. Awami League would not have won if Bengalis were not mad at their Rulers in West Pakistan. RAW could not have done nothing even if all accusations against India are correct because time proved, RAW has not done anything against Punjabi Rule in Pakistan from 1972 to now and they have kept ruling Pakistan against wishes of 56% of Pakistan's present Non Punjabi
> Population. If RAW had funded Sh. Mujib before 1970 Elections, why had Pakistan not banned Awami League?
> ----------
>  How many illegal refugees do we have in Sri Lanka â€â€Å" the people that our army rescued and what is their role like to be in future unless checked. Is it not for this reason that India insists on demilitarizing the North?
> >
> TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about here.
> --------
> > RAW continued its presence in Bangladesh even after the latters
> > independence by training Chakma tribes and Shanti Bahini to carry out subversive activities in Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: What Evidence you have to prove this?
> ------
> > Similar to how India forcefully made Sri Lanka sign the Indo-Lanka
> > Agreement and make constitutional changes, India put forward a 7-point agreement prior to Indian army overrunning the Pakistan army in just 2 weeks to create Bangladesh after
> obtaining a
> security guarantee from former Soviet Union in case of American interference. That 7 point plan included the following:
> .
> TURKMAN: I had no idea you make up all this stuff out of thin Air. Yes, India was so scared of USA despite that Pakistan had kicked all Americans out of Pakistan and had very strained relations with USA that she had gotten USSR to sign a 25 year Defense Agreement so, USA would not intervene. I am not reading rest of your B.S. supplied to you by ISI of Pakistan, who you work for. Bye.
> --------
> Â
> > 1. Bangladesh Government had to select only those who participated in the liberation war to its administrative posts and shortfalls had to be filled by Indian officials.
> >
> > 2. Joint force comprising Indian army and Mukti Bahini under the command of
> > Indian Army chief to lead the liberation war.
> >
> > 3. Bangladesh to have no standing army.
> >
> > 4. India to raise paramilitary
> force to protect internal law and order of
> > Bangladesh.
> >
> > 5. Open market subject to periodical reviews.
> >
> > 6. Indian army to be stationed indefinitely in Bangladesh
> >
> > 7. Bangladesh’s foreign policy to be determined only in consultation with
> > India.
> >
> > This is how India strategically trapped Bangladesh who was taught to think
> > that it owed India for liberating it. India went on to tie Bangladesh
> > further by signing a “25 year friendship treaty� which further strangulated
> > any desire for liberty on the part of Bangladesh. In short Bangladesh could
> > not do anything without the concurrence of India. Thus, India made sure
> > that Bangladesh was nothing but India’s poodle.
> >
> > Yet a military coup took place in 1975 against corruption and dissolving of
> > Parliament to create a one party rule. The new government
> commenced
> ties
> > with China, USA, Europe and Middle East to diminish Indian influence with
> > resulted in further Indian angst.
> >
> > Bangladesh like Sri Lanka is important for India because it is a strategic
> > corridor between India and North East. Bangladesh also provides a bridge
> > between SAARC and ASEAN nations and is a key marine resource provider. Its
> > sea ports are important for trade as China is also aware. In short
> > Bangladesh is the most cost effective route for India to import gas from
> > Myanmar.
> >
> > Similar to some of the antics India pulls upon Sri Lanka has been what
> > Bangladesh experienced when it attempted to break away from Indian
> > influence. Border disputes are issues which India defers to solve much like
> > what Sri Lanka is experiencing with Tamil Nadu fishermen. Then there is
> > India’s border security and deployment of navy near South Talpatty
> as
> well
> > as India’s support towards secessionist movements in Chittagong Hill Tracks
> > going so far as to provide money & arms. Isn’t this what India did in Sri
> > Lanka?
> >
> > As in Sri Lanka’s case, India keeps using its media to invent fictitious
> > stories about how both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are a threat to India’s
> > security interests to pressurize these Governments into functioning
> > according to Indian dictates.
> >
> > Bangladesh nor Sri Lanka can adapt a single strategy to deal with a country
> > as large as India unless the neighbors tie together against India. All the
> > SAARC nations have experienced India’s backstabbing techniques. It hired
> > the LTTE to storm Maldives and then pretended to save Maldives. More
> > recently India has sided with the US to oust President Nasheed and install
> > a puppet leader. There was also
> rumors of an LTTE plot to
> kill Bangladesh’s
> > Sheikh Hasina in 1999 for a payment of $10m. It does all types of
> > activities to keep Nepal from developing & the list goes on.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka’s case what first angered India appears to have been the Sri
> > Lankan Government’s decision to allow refueling facilities to Pakistan’s
> > civil and military aircraft and ships during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
> > India was also angered when Sri Lanka permitted Israel to establish
> > intelligence presence and Sri Lanka permitted Voice of America to be
> > installed on the island. These have been called the “irritants� that
> > translated into the Indira Doctrine and Sri Lanka becoming the target of
> > RAW’s destabilizing policy.
> >
> > This surely must mean that India can be charged for state funded terrorism
> > because with RAW’s supervision camps were set up
> in Tamil Nadu, former RAQ
> >
> trainers were re-employed to train Tamil militant groups at centers in
> > Gunda and Gorakhpur.
> >
> > The covert operation in Sri Lanka found the RAW taking the situation into
> > its own hand by contravening its foreign policy and former Indian High
> > Commissioner is said to have even accused RAW of giving 10m rupees to LTTE.
> >
> > With RAW mandated to destabilize Sri Lanka, it went on to build up EPRLF,
> > ENDLF to create further dissent by challenging the LTTE as well. Today, you
> > may not see them but one can be sure there are plenty of RAW officers
> > around even in the suburbs. How long can India hide that India trained
> > Prabakaran & the LTTE?
> >
> > With all this knowledge if Sri Lanka is going to think that India will say
> > “We like you better than Bangladesh or Pakistan and we wont do anything
> > harmful ever to our neighbor� â€â€Å" we
> don’t deserve to be
> called sovereign!
> >
> > India may like to forget what it did to Sri Lanka because India now stands
> > to gain by exerting diplomatic pressures and using its media to reverse its
> > own guilt but the people of Sri Lanka know better even if the political
> > leaders of Sri Lanka are gullible to all the lies & deceits of India.
> >
> > What Sri Lanka do leaders must never forget is that the entire drama
> > revolving around Geneva was primarily to lay the foundation to oust the
> > present Government from power. In such a scenario all the pressures being
> > exerted is primarily targeting Sri Lanka’s political leaderships and if
> > they are naÃÆ'¯ve enough to forgive, forget and carry on caring less about
> > safeguarding the country even the people are likely to lose faith. This is
> > exactly what these foreign intelligence agencies currently in Sri Lanka are
> > attempting to
> achieve.
> What a pity it would be if our leaders carve out
> > their own ruin & take the country with them.
> >
> > Yet, it is still not too late and the people of Sri Lanka will back leaders
> > who can do what they achieved in 2009 in a new twist to terrorism coming
> > from the diplomatic front to usurp the sovereignty of our nation.Over to
> > you for action, Mr. President.
> >
> >
> > *Shenali Waduge is a working mother of two from Sri Lanka. She received her
> > Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Delhi in India. She
> > has lived abroad in both the UK and India and derives great joy from
> > learning about other cultures. Shenali’s journalism is an outlet to express
> > her desire to see a more fair and just society. A voice for truth, she
> > covers politics, social change, culture, women’s issues and education.
> > Shenali regularly contributes to the Asian
> Tribune
> and Lankaweb. Shenali is
> > also an artist and volunteers her time to programs that help the needy in
> > Sri Lanka. Her dream is to see a world without armaments, without strife
> > and with the freedom for all to experience world cultures.*
> >
> > http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> > http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka
>
"Bengali Muslims are now not Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
Leader can tell".
.
TURKMAN:
I was reading a book about situation and circumstances the Prophet Mohammad was born Hijaaz. After learning, what kind of Character those Bedouin had, I had started crying because our Characters are worse than them now and they were called 'Koffaar' by Allah in Qoraan. If they were Koffaar, what are we?
Was word Allah invented by our Prophet? No. It exited before as Supreme God over all gods just like word 'BHugwaan' exists in Hindi and means the same. Did they believe in Allah before birth of our Prophet?
Yes they had. Did they worship Him?
Yes they but Tradition of worship was different. Did they observe 'Rmjaan'?
Yes they did, just like Jews and Christians, who practice Fasting also still but in a different way and in a different Month. Did they pay Alms or Charity like ZkaaT?
Yes they did just like we are doing now. Did they celebrate Eid?
Yes they did because both Eid are their Customs that were adopted in Islam. Did they perform Hajj?
Yes they did and every year because it was also their Tradition that was adopted in Islam. So, in which term were they different from us except calling ourselves Moslims and accepting Prophet Mohammad as Messenger of Allah that Allah should not think of us same as Koffaar since we are worse in character than the one's He had called Koffaar?
Is there any Mollaa that can answer my this question alive?
----------
--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
> Division of India in 1947 is
> shameful and harmful for Muslims people over all of India sub continent. It is
> clear that creation of Pakistan was not for Islam or not for then Indian Muslim€™s
> interest.
> Examples.
> Punjab and Bengal was Muslim
> Majority Provinces in undivided India.
> Â Punjab and Bengal is
> divided.Â
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Majority Muslim' interest?
> Â Or
> Is division of Punjab and Bengal for
> Minority Hindus' interest?
> Why are not for the interest of
> Muslim divided other Provinces of India where Muslims are Minority and Hindus
> are Majority?
> Is it not clear?
> Â That division was done Punjab and
> Bengal only for the interest of minority Hindus who are in Punjab and Bengal.
> Â Division was not done other provinces of India
> where Muslims are minority for interest of Muslim. Division also was not done for
> religion of Islam... If division is done for religion then why by division of
> India are not created separate states for Christ people Buddies people Sheik
> people and other religion people of India
>
>
> It can say that
> Â The then Muslims leaders in
> India Sub continent were either not foresighted politicians or were very
> foolish politicians or they were not doing politics for common Muslims€™
> Interest or they thought to getting power and common Muslims people were
> misguided by so called power catching Muslim leaders.
> Urdu and Hindi language speaking leaders
> thought to rule Indian people under control Hindi and UrduÂ
> Language by dividing India in 2 nation theory in the name Hindu
> and Muslims and after division of India Hindi  has become  state
> language of India and Urdu tried in Pakistan. Â Then Muslim Bengali leader
> AK Fazlul Haque who was against of such type division of Bengal understood the meaning of India division in 1947 but others were not and
> foolish Bengal Muslims leaders understood it later.
> And Pakistan broken by the help India for language and was created Bangladesh
>
> Bengali Muslims are now not
> Total Muslims or not Total Bengali
> Leader can tell.
> What Bengali Muslims is either
> Bengali or Bangladeshi? Or Total what?
> Â
> Â
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> From: siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@...>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Dear dina khan I fully agree with your viewpoint but could not
> agree when you mentioned in India there were minority people of Bangla
> language. When we consider in united Pakistan Bangla language was not a
> language of minority people rather this Bangla language people in the whole of
> Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking
> people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language in
> India but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies)  were minority in comparison to
> Bangla speaking people.Â
> The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by
> the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that
> was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish
> Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with
> that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan. Â
> Pakistan was created because
> of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to
> constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East
> Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others.Â
> I really feel pity for the Indian's
> left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in  Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or
> Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars
> used to be named as Biharis over there.Â
> The Muslims from India
> who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and
> western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most
> neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now.
> Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers
> and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the
> beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of
> their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in
> spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of
> 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped
> them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all
> spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology
> and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men of the Muslim
> Ummah.Â
> Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
>
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com; awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> CC: tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; Diagnose@yahoogroups.com; sa7rong@yahoogroups.com; calcutta@yahoogroups.com
> From: dina30_khan@...
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:59:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
> Â
>
>
> Pakistan was created under division of India in 1947 making foolish Muslims and making Bengali people and Bangla language minority people Language in India for Hindi making state language of India and Urdu for Pakistan..
> After division of India Muslims people in India lost their property and birth right in all over of India and being migrated from India to West and East Pakistan lost their life and property.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
> To: awamileague@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: t t <tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com>; khabor@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; di a <Diagnose@yahoogroups.com>; 7 ro <sa7rong@yahoogroups.com>; chottala@yahoogroups.com; C C <calcutta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 7:22 AM
> Subject: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka
>
>
>
> My comments are inserted below.
>
> --- In
> alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
> >
> > *How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka*
> >
> >Â Â By Shenali Waduge
> >
> > With a population of 1.2billion living across a landmass of 2973190 square
> > kilometers, there is no denying India’s power. Yet, if not for its
> > inferiority we cannot comprehend why India would desire to adopt a
> > consistent policy and go to great lengths to destabilize each of its
> > neighbors whilst pretending to be their friend.
> .
> TURKMAN: Why was not India pretending to be Friend of Pakistan before 1971? Had Pakistan not declared India her Birth Enemy before all this?
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> Â Diplomacy is one thing but to know that men and material are being used to destroy a neighboring nation simply does not justify any of the excuses India gives purely to deceive the masses and gain international prestige for
> itself.
> >
> TURKMAN: What 'Material' was India using to destroy Pakistan?
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> > The example of Bangladesh is perfect to describe the birth of Indian intelligence agency RAW tasked to partition Pakistan and create Bangladesh in 1971. It was in 1947 that 2 different countries were created â€â€Å" Pakistan and India. Muslims were divided into 2 countries bearing 2 different nationalities. West Pakistan was dominated by Punjabi’s while East Pakistan was the home to Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs.
> >
> TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know that Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs did not live in West Pakistan. Nobody knows this.
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> > What we are taught to believe is that Bengali leader Sheikh Mujibar Rehman resented political power vested with West Pakistan elite and had formed the Awami League demanding autonomy for East Pakistan and though he won the 1970 general election, he was put in
> jail leading
> to the Bangladesh Liberation War which created Bangladesh. A missing piece in this incident is the role India’s intelligence played.
> >
> TURKMAN: Oh don't we know, India had turned majority of Pakistanis, the Bengalis in to her Agents before Awami League won, right? India had first ordered Punjabis to discriminate against Bengalis make East Pakistan become a lot poorer than West Pakistan also to cause dissent, right?
> ----------
> > By creating Bangladesh, India also created an enemy in Pakistan.
> .
> TURKMAN: Oh sure, before India created Bangladesh, Pakistan used to be a good Friend of India and had not fought against India in 1948 and Pakistan had not covertly attacked India in 1965. India created an Enemy in Pakistan only in 1971, right Liar?
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> Â No formal ties will erase the hate Pakistan has against India.
> >
> > The resentment of East Pakistan towards West Pakistan was triggered by none other
> than
> India’s RAW using the card of “discrimination� similar to what they used against the Sinhalese by the Tamils.
> >
> TURKMAN: But who had given that Card of "Discrimination" to India if saintly West Pakistanis were never discriminating against Bengalis since birth of Pakistan?
> ----------
> > What India eventually did was to protect Awami League leaders, train and armed the insurgents which ultimately led to the disintegration of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: If Awami League Leaders were under Indian Protection, how the hell they had gotten arrested so easily by Paki Army Soldiers? Which Bengalis were trained by India before Army Action started against them in March, 1971? What the hell 'MookTi Bhaiyini' had accomplished until Indian Attack on East Pakistan? Which village had gone on its control, forget about cities?
> ---------
> > The Bangladesh breakup according to B.
> Raman’s book “The
> Kaoboys of R&AW� the break up of East Pakistan was carried out in 2 phases by Indira Gandhi and the RAW. Phase 1 was coordinated by Kao and phase 2 by Field Marshal Sham Manekshaw. RAW trained and supplied arms to Bengali anti-Pakistan militants. Indira Gandhi was given bugged conversations of top Pakistani officials. RAW had even funded Mujibur Rahman’s general election in 1970 and trained and armed the Mukti Bahini that RAW officers set up using Bengali refugees.
> .
> TURKMAN: Yeah, but all this would not have happened if West Pakistanis had treated Bengalis as their brothers. Awami League would not have won if Bengalis were not mad at their Rulers in West Pakistan. RAW could not have done nothing even if all accusations against India are correct because time proved, RAW has not done anything against Punjabi Rule in Pakistan from 1972 to now and they have kept ruling Pakistan against wishes of 56% of Pakistan's present Non Punjabi
> Population. If RAW had funded Sh. Mujib before 1970 Elections, why had Pakistan not banned Awami League?
> ----------
>  How many illegal refugees do we have in Sri Lanka â€â€Å" the people that our army rescued and what is their role like to be in future unless checked. Is it not for this reason that India insists on demilitarizing the North?
> >
> TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about here.
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> > RAW continued its presence in Bangladesh even after the latters
> > independence by training Chakma tribes and Shanti Bahini to carry out subversive activities in Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: What Evidence you have to prove this?
> ------
> > Similar to how India forcefully made Sri Lanka sign the Indo-Lanka
> > Agreement and make constitutional changes, India put forward a 7-point agreement prior to Indian army overrunning the Pakistan army in just 2 weeks to create Bangladesh after
> obtaining a
> security guarantee from former Soviet Union in case of American interference. That 7 point plan included the following:
> .
> TURKMAN: I had no idea you make up all this stuff out of thin Air. Yes, India was so scared of USA despite that Pakistan had kicked all Americans out of Pakistan and had very strained relations with USA that she had gotten USSR to sign a 25 year Defense Agreement so, USA would not intervene. I am not reading rest of your B.S. supplied to you by ISI of Pakistan, who you work for. Bye.
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> Â
> > 1. Bangladesh Government had to select only those who participated in the liberation war to its administrative posts and shortfalls had to be filled by Indian officials.
> >
> > 2. Joint force comprising Indian army and Mukti Bahini under the command of
> > Indian Army chief to lead the liberation war.
> >
> > 3. Bangladesh to have no standing army.
> >
> > 4. India to raise paramilitary
> force to protect internal law and order of
> > Bangladesh.
> >
> > 5. Open market subject to periodical reviews.
> >
> > 6. Indian army to be stationed indefinitely in Bangladesh
> >
> > 7. Bangladesh’s foreign policy to be determined only in consultation with
> > India.
> >
> > This is how India strategically trapped Bangladesh who was taught to think
> > that it owed India for liberating it. India went on to tie Bangladesh
> > further by signing a “25 year friendship treaty� which further strangulated
> > any desire for liberty on the part of Bangladesh. In short Bangladesh could
> > not do anything without the concurrence of India. Thus, India made sure
> > that Bangladesh was nothing but India’s poodle.
> >
> > Yet a military coup took place in 1975 against corruption and dissolving of
> > Parliament to create a one party rule. The new government
> commenced
> ties
> > with China, USA, Europe and Middle East to diminish Indian influence with
> > resulted in further Indian angst.
> >
> > Bangladesh like Sri Lanka is important for India because it is a strategic
> > corridor between India and North East. Bangladesh also provides a bridge
> > between SAARC and ASEAN nations and is a key marine resource provider. Its
> > sea ports are important for trade as China is also aware. In short
> > Bangladesh is the most cost effective route for India to import gas from
> > Myanmar.
> >
> > Similar to some of the antics India pulls upon Sri Lanka has been what
> > Bangladesh experienced when it attempted to break away from Indian
> > influence. Border disputes are issues which India defers to solve much like
> > what Sri Lanka is experiencing with Tamil Nadu fishermen. Then there is
> > India’s border security and deployment of navy near South Talpatty
> as
> well
> > as India’s support towards secessionist movements in Chittagong Hill Tracks
> > going so far as to provide money & arms. Isn’t this what India did in Sri
> > Lanka?
> >
> > As in Sri Lanka’s case, India keeps using its media to invent fictitious
> > stories about how both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are a threat to India’s
> > security interests to pressurize these Governments into functioning
> > according to Indian dictates.
> >
> > Bangladesh nor Sri Lanka can adapt a single strategy to deal with a country
> > as large as India unless the neighbors tie together against India. All the
> > SAARC nations have experienced India’s backstabbing techniques. It hired
> > the LTTE to storm Maldives and then pretended to save Maldives. More
> > recently India has sided with the US to oust President Nasheed and install
> > a puppet leader. There was also
> rumors of an LTTE plot to
> kill Bangladesh’s
> > Sheikh Hasina in 1999 for a payment of $10m. It does all types of
> > activities to keep Nepal from developing & the list goes on.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka’s case what first angered India appears to have been the Sri
> > Lankan Government’s decision to allow refueling facilities to Pakistan’s
> > civil and military aircraft and ships during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
> > India was also angered when Sri Lanka permitted Israel to establish
> > intelligence presence and Sri Lanka permitted Voice of America to be
> > installed on the island. These have been called the “irritants� that
> > translated into the Indira Doctrine and Sri Lanka becoming the target of
> > RAW’s destabilizing policy.
> >
> > This surely must mean that India can be charged for state funded terrorism
> > because with RAW’s supervision camps were set up
> in Tamil Nadu, former RAQ
> >
> trainers were re-employed to train Tamil militant groups at centers in
> > Gunda and Gorakhpur.
> >
> > The covert operation in Sri Lanka found the RAW taking the situation into
> > its own hand by contravening its foreign policy and former Indian High
> > Commissioner is said to have even accused RAW of giving 10m rupees to LTTE.
> >
> > With RAW mandated to destabilize Sri Lanka, it went on to build up EPRLF,
> > ENDLF to create further dissent by challenging the LTTE as well. Today, you
> > may not see them but one can be sure there are plenty of RAW officers
> > around even in the suburbs. How long can India hide that India trained
> > Prabakaran & the LTTE?
> >
> > With all this knowledge if Sri Lanka is going to think that India will say
> > “We like you better than Bangladesh or Pakistan and we wont do anything
> > harmful ever to our neighbor� â€â€Å" we
> don’t deserve to be
> called sovereign!
> >
> > India may like to forget what it did to Sri Lanka because India now stands
> > to gain by exerting diplomatic pressures and using its media to reverse its
> > own guilt but the people of Sri Lanka know better even if the political
> > leaders of Sri Lanka are gullible to all the lies & deceits of India.
> >
> > What Sri Lanka do leaders must never forget is that the entire drama
> > revolving around Geneva was primarily to lay the foundation to oust the
> > present Government from power. In such a scenario all the pressures being
> > exerted is primarily targeting Sri Lanka’s political leaderships and if
> > they are naÃÆ'¯ve enough to forgive, forget and carry on caring less about
> > safeguarding the country even the people are likely to lose faith. This is
> > exactly what these foreign intelligence agencies currently in Sri Lanka are
> > attempting to
> achieve.
> What a pity it would be if our leaders carve out
> > their own ruin & take the country with them.
> >
> > Yet, it is still not too late and the people of Sri Lanka will back leaders
> > who can do what they achieved in 2009 in a new twist to terrorism coming
> > from the diplomatic front to usurp the sovereignty of our nation.Over to
> > you for action, Mr. President.
> >
> >
> > *Shenali Waduge is a working mother of two from Sri Lanka. She received her
> > Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Delhi in India. She
> > has lived abroad in both the UK and India and derives great joy from
> > learning about other cultures. Shenali’s journalism is an outlet to express
> > her desire to see a more fair and just society. A voice for truth, she
> > covers politics, social change, culture, women’s issues and education.
> > Shenali regularly contributes to the Asian
> Tribune
> and Lankaweb. Shenali is
> > also an artist and volunteers her time to programs that help the needy in
> > Sri Lanka. Her dream is to see a world without armaments, without strife
> > and with the freedom for all to experience world cultures.*
> >
> > http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> > http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka
>
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