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Sunday, March 29, 2009

[chottala.com] For Chottola Members & Asghar--- Horrible!!


Dear Mr. Ahsan,

Lest you for forgot that everyone has a right to put forward his/her thoughts as long as they do not become abusive in their langauge. You need to control your temper, preferably seek "Temper Management". Using foul language does not improve your opinion instead it gives a feeling about the depth of your knowledge, which is extremely poor.

Mr. Ashgar writes a lot of things about Islam, its tradition, its culture and followers, most of his writings are backed up by quatation of the Holy Quran, maybe his interpretation is different from most Islamic followers but never have I found abusive langauge. If you wish to contradict his posting, please do so intelligently, not by assumptions.

Now regarding your curse against him, are you trying to tell the world that people who suffer from incurable diseases, such as cancer or ESRD are all sinners against the Quran, are you stupid or joking. Many great men and women have died because of this diseases, my father and three of my sisters, and they were some of the best persons I know, none of them had anything to do with writings or deeds against any religion whatsoever. Therefore Mr. Ahsan, please write with intelligence not emotions.

If the Moderator supports the fanatics and does not allow openess I guess he/she should open up a Madrasa, instead of a International open forum.

Kind regards.






To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
From: ahsan3332@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:50:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] For Chottola Members & Asghar--- Horrible!!

Dear Moderator
 
Thanks for your reply.
 
Regards

Ahsan


--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Hafiz Ahsan <ahsan3332@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Hafiz Ahsan <ahsan3332@yahoo.com>
Subject: [chottala.com] For Chottola Members & Asghar--- Horrible!!
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 10:18 AM

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Moderator Note: Mr. Mohammad Ashgar or msa40@aol.com is not a member of Chottala group. I double checked it. His message was not approved from our Chottala group but by the Khabor group (Please check the chain). We approved Mr. Enayet Ullah's message which he sent to us as response to Mr. Asghar's orginal post. We do not condone nor allow any emails that insults any religion. Howver, we can't control other groups. Thanks. ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======
 
Excuse me chottala group..but I find this group has been polluted by some ppl. for example, who is this Mohammad Asghar msa40@aol.com? his mails have entered into this group (check below).
 
He is passing odd remarks about our Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). he is just a desk top mule. His knowledge is not only shallow, but extremely negative. how can he claim to have a Muslim name? he must be a member of the "Khazars", the neo-jews or converted jews. what he knows about Islam and our Prophet (PBUH)? who told him about the horrendous 'slave' issue? bloody bastard, from where you have learnt this? from your jews fathers?
 
LOOK MEMBERS of CHOTTALA, this man is a perfect example of MUSHRIK, much worse than a Kaafir.
 
 
  • the inhuman torture video of guantanamo bay, where naked Iraqis were made to be chased by hounds..and lately it has been declared by US govt that those held at guantanamo bay were actually innocent.
  • us attacked Iraq in 2003 even after getting confirmation that iraq didn't have any WMD. why bush was not declared a war criminal?
  • where were you when the world proved that 9/11 was a jew mastermind?
  • how much you know about the present worldwide drive against Muslims? how are you sure that the bomb attacks in iraq and pakistan are not carried out by non-muslims? because your fathers in the world media don't say so?

 

asghar, I invite you to join me for a duel. come to bangladesh. i will fight you hand-to-hand.

 

Did you, asghar, ever study Islam and life of our Prophet (PBUH)? i am sure you never had enough time. reading only a few stanzas of text produced by your western fathers is not enough to comment on a religion. a little learning is dangerous, and for you it has proved to be too dangerous, fatal!

 
it is about time that israel will rise as a super-power and control areas from Suez canal to Euphrates, less Iran. then the final episode of the doomsday will begin with the arrival of Imam Mahdi followed by Isaa (AHS).
 
Anyway, for Muslims, it is time that we remain united and denounce all kind of terrorism and bombing. surely, Islam never tells to kill innocent lives. if Muslims are involved in these crimes against humanity, they are not Muslims. we don't accept them as Muslims.
 
asghar, for how long you are staying in US? soon Allah's wrath will befall upon you and your family. you will find there will be no escape, because Allah will not punsih you by sending suicide bombers, He will send  subtle killers without weapon that will eat up your peace of mind and soul, and you will surely find no cure for that. you will run to doctors all around the globe, but nobody will be able to cure you and your family. before that, please please come down to Bangladesh and meet me in a duel. fair and square.
 
CHOTTALA group, we must loathe this kind of ppl. you also must not allow these ppl to pollute the environment. we must protest and eliminate these criminals of society. Islam says, "lakoom diinookoom waal ya-deen". your religion is yours and my religion is mine. so, asghar, please learn about your own religion first, if you have any religion at all. if you are an atheist, then think only about your own and don't extend your dirty nose into others'.
 
Dear CHOTTALA members, please excuse my language. i am sorry for that. if you wish, please oust me from your group.



Ahsan


--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [chottala.com] Pakistan may collapse in six months: Collapse of America soon?
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
Cc: "chottala" <chottala@yahoogroup s.com>, odhora@yahoogroups. com, "alochona" <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:29 PM


Pakistan is not the only country exporting terrorism, India is also responsible for the same crime for the longest time.

Sri Lanka, the mayhem caused in Sri Lanka by Indian coveted operation & cohort Tamil Tigers are well funded by Indians. India defintely has a vested interested to see its neighbor collapse. Thats give India greater leverage and exert it political manuver. A weaken Pakistan definitely work for India's tactical benefit. LTTE being beaten by Sri Lankan Army, India defintely playing in the shore of Bangladesh. Using Bangladesh as its vast second hand market for 460 million dollar export, greatly benefit India.

India definitely eyeing for the next super power, stealing a page from Zionist playbook. India successfully subotaged Pakistan with mired terrorism. Dictator Ziaul Haq damaged Pakistan with Ronald Regan. Though this unholy alliance able to vanquish Socialism, Pakistan lost the gambit. Diaspora of Indians able to pave the way for India, cazoling with Israel & US.

Strategically Pakistan failed to gain Washington's favorite orphan, India filled the gap to counter rising Chinese influence.

The world is shifting, we are going through the most extra-ordinary period of the history. Unpredictable as it could be, within next few decades, we will witness the collapse of another super power. Maybe ending of one is the begining of others. Socialist Soviet Union took 70 years before it collapsed, America may take another 50 years before the power shift. It may not be emminent, but, the tectonic shift is in the process, to be continued...



--- On Fri, 3/27/09, msa40@aol.com <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

From: msa40@aol.com <msa40@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Re: Pakistan may collapse in six months
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:01 AM

Where Pakistan or the Pakistanis are getting the instructions on terrorism from? It is the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet of Islam. He killed people with his own hand, as they did not believe in him. Though the People of the Book, he not only killed the Jews, he also turned their women into his sex slaves.
 
The Quran testifies to the above facts. So, if the Muslims are following the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet, should we blame them? I do not call them a cancer, rather I believe they are the victims of Islam!
 
If we want to live in a peaceful world, then we must destroy the Quran and the Hadiths that induce Muslims to violence for the sake of Allah. Otherwise, we should expect no peace on earth.
 
Mohammad Asghar
 
In a message dated 3/27/2009 7:51:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, eastside_peds@ bellsouth. net writes:


Dear Mr. Chowdhury,
Thank you very much for your TRUE & THOROUGH elaboration about Pakistan. Pakistan is the MOTHER OF TERRORISM for the rest of the world!! Pakistan is a CANCER for this peaceful world! So, for HEALTHY WORLD this cancerous nation should be wipe out, should go back to STONE AGE.
 
Dr. Muhammad Ali Manik
------------ -- Original message from veirsmill@yahoo. com: ------------ --


 Mr. Salahuddin Ayubi,  I would be agreeing with you if this was not Pakistan but in case of Pakistan rest of the world especially our sub continent cannot sit at leisure in the sideline and let Taliban and other Islamic militants take control of nuclear warhead.

A huge population of Pakistan converted into radical Islam in last 30 years where criminals like Mullah Omar or Osama becomes hero of a lifetime. Where mosque and other Islamic institution been randomly used as training ground for exporting militant Islam in not just in South Asia but to the rest of the world.

Pakistan predictably supposes to be domed anyway because of its creation on the basis of falls presumption of two-nation theory based on religion. There is no God but Allah but the merciful has no reason to mercy on Pakistan . If they are not going to be go astray for any other reason they must for killing millions of people of Bangladesh , raping thousands of women, looting and burning village after village in then East Pakistan . If there is one who is the supreme then he must do the justice and ruin Pakistan as he ruined Nomrud and other nation.

People of Pakistan must do something if they want to save their nation from confirm ruination. They must do Taoba for all the wrongdoing they have done and start sensible comeback from making Pakistan further radical. Pakistan must beg for forgiveness going into its knees to Bangladesh , Poshtuns, Pathans and others whom they caused misery. They must do everything to destroy militancy by any means.

Pakistan has no right to exist as a nation if they continue to export terrorism around the world especially to our subcontinent. International community has rights and obligation to stop Pakistan being overtaken by Osama Bin Ladens radical un-Islamic Taliban militancy.

Regards

Shamim Chowdhury

Maryland, USA


 

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--- In Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com, Salahuddin Ayubi
<s_ayubi786@. ..> wrote:

Wishful bloody thinking. But how does that concern us? We are not
concerned with Pakistan anymore. Let them go to bloody hell.
                     Ayubi





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From: Syed Aslam Syed.Aslam3@ ...
To: Khobor khabor@yahoogroups. com; notun Bangladesh
notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com;
chottala@yahoogroup s.com; Amra Bangladesi
amra-bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:29:08 PM
Subject: [Amra-Bangladesi] Pakistan may collapse in six months



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‘Pakistan may collapse in six months’
United News of Bangladesh . Dhaka
The Pakistani state could collapse within six months if immediate steps
are not taken to remedy the situation, warned a top adviser to the US
Central Command in an interview with Washington Post.
   David Kilcullen, who advises CENTCOM commander General David H
Petraeus on the war on terror, urged US policy makers to focus their
attention on Pakistan as a failure there could have devastating
consequences for the entire international community.
   In the interview published in Washington Post on Sunday,
Kilcullen, who is credited with the success of the US troop surge
strategy in Iraq, warned that if Pakistan went out of control, it would
‘dwarf’ all the crises in the world today.
‘Pakistan…hands down. No doubt,’ he said when asked
to name the central front in the war against terror.
   Asked to explain why he thought Pakistan was so important,
Kilcullen said: ‘Pakistan has 173 million people, 100 nuclear
weapons, an army bigger than the US Army, and al-Qaeda headquarters
sitting right there in the two-thirds of the country that the government
doesn’t control.’
   He claimed that the Pakistani military, police and intelligence
service did not follow the civilian government; they were essentially a
rogue state within a state. ‘Were now reaching the point where
within one to six months we could see the collapse of the Pakistani
state, also because of the global financial crisis, which just
exacerbates all these problems,’ he said.
   ‘The collapse of Pakistan, al-Qaeda acquiring nuclear
weapons, an extremist takeover â€" that would dwarf everything
we’ve seen in the war on terror today.’ Kilcullen, an
Australian anthropologist who advises governments on Muslim militancy
throughout the West, disagreed with the suggestion that it was important
to kill or capture Osama bin laden.
   He discussed two possible scenarios for catching the al-Qaeda
leader. Scenario one is, American commandos shoot their way into some
valley in Pakistan and kill bin Laden. This, Kilcullen said, would not
end the war on terror and would make bin Laden a martyr. The second
scenario: a tribal raiding party captures bin Laden, puts him on
television and says, ‘You are a traitor to Islam and you have
killed more Muslims than you have killed infidels, and we’re now
going to deal with you.’
   They could either then try and execute the guy in accordance
with their own laws or hand him over to the International Criminal
Court. ‘If that happened, that would be the end of the al-Qaeda
myth,’ said Kilcullen.
   He said that three lessons learned in Iraq could also apply to
Afghanistan. The first one is to protect the population. ‘Unless
people feel safe, they won’t be willing to engage in unarmed
politics,’ he argued.
   The second lesson is to focus on getting the population on
America’s side and making them self-defending. And then a third
lesson is to make a long-term commitment.
   Kilcullen said that the Obama administration’ s policy
of reaching out to moderate elements of the Taliban also had several
pitfalls. ‘If the Taliban sees that we’re negotiating for
a stay of execution or to stave off defeat, that’s going to
harden their resolve,’ he warns. ‘I’m all for
negotiating, but I think the chances of achieving a mass wave of people
turning against the Taliban are somewhat lower in Afghanistan than they
were in Iraq.’
____________ _________ _________ __

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