From: dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com; abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:51:32 PM
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!
No offence of Mr Mannan.
But all should need to remeber that in 1971 war was doene against injustice for establing justice and honesty not to establish injustice false and dishonesty.
So it is the moral duty to the respected teacher Professor Abdul Mannan for challanging against to Sarmila Bose in providing the names and addresses of 3 millions people who were killed in Bangladesh by pakistan army in 1971, the names and addresses of two lacs women who were rapped in Bangladesh by pakistan army in 1971.
Other wise the respected teacher may be considered as road standing baseless speaker and writer and as so called politicians who are always lying the people to mislead them for political interest.
--- On Tue, 29/3/11, abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, "abid bahar" <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
> Cc: "dina khan" <dina30_khan@yahoo.com>
> Received: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 5:27 AM
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> No offence to Professor Abdul Mannan who wrote
> about Sharmila Bose
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> Abid Bahar
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> In the below I will talk about Professor
> Mannan's article published in the Prothon Alo. http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2011-03-27/news/141872
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> Overall it is a good article with good writing skill but he
> used very flawed methodology in understanding Sharmila
> Bose's works. Previously, in my short
> review about Bose, I wrote
> "Indeed, Ms. Bose's book came out with numerous
> holes. This is especially when she praises the killers and
> the drunken Yahya and Niazi. But it was a good thing that
> she was allowed to speak about her findings even with
> biases; atleast now we know what are her biases. In this if
> we blindly followed Dr. Nurun Nabi we would all have become
> some fanatic"secular mullahs."
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> Having said the above, I want to add 'The
> surge of nationalism usually presents a morally ambivalent,
> and for this reason often fascinating, picture. "National
> awakening" and struggles for political independence are
> often both heroic and inhumanly cruel; the formation of a
> recognizably national state often responds to deep popular
> sentiment, but can and does sometimes bring in its wake
> inhuman consequences, including violent expulsion and
> "cleansing" of non-nationals, all the way to organized
> mass murder. The moral debate on nationalism reflects a deep
> moral tension between solidarity with oppressed national
> groups on the one hand and the repulsion people feel in the
> face of crimes perpetrated in the name of nationalism on the
> other." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism
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> Professor Mannan himself as a Bangladeshi and
> like many of us that suffered during the war but
> bringing that personal dimention of popular sentiment in
> research which makes him strong in memory but weak in
> methodology. In his writing he shows his anger
> toward Bose by taking up his position in glorifying the AL
> nationalist conclusions. Bose finds the AL's exaggerated
> conclusions inconsistent with methodological errors. This
> makes Mannan angry. With the Bengali nationalist sentiment
> not the sentiment of a researcher to Mannan Bose is
> bound to be wrong. In his such consideration he commits
> the falacy of begging the question. He denies
> Bose's"facts" and accepts everything of the
> AL made history to be true by the accounts of such people
> as AL's Nurun Nabis nationalist stand.
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> This wouldn't draw anybody's
> attention if Professor Mannan was not the ex vice
> cencellor, which position carried a very high esteem among
> Bangladeshi people. But his devotion and blind onesided
> support to the AL makes him even one commentator assuming
> that he was not as much qualified for the job but was in
> that high position due to the AL nepotism. I am certain that
> this is not true but the professor's extreme
> bias toward the AL had this unfortunate fallout.
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> In the Prothom Alo article comments section as
> expected Professor Mannan was appreciated by the Bengali
> nationalists, but drew harsh criticism from one who
> commentator who understood what is truly good writing
> that uses sound methology which is missing in the
> professor's writing:. The comment in Bengali is as
> follows:
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> ২০১১.০৩.২৭ ০২:৩২
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> শর্মিলা বসুর
> আলোচনাগুলোর সমালোচনা
> আরো ভালোভাবে করা উচিৎ।
> কিছু ব্যপারে মান্নান
> স্যারের মন্তব্য বেশ
> আপত্তিকর মনে হলো। ১৯৭১
> সালে কারো চাক্ষুস
> অভিজ্ঞতা না থাকলে কি
> ইতিহাস বিষয়ে গবেষণা
> করা যাবে না? তাহলে তো আর
> তরুন প্রজন্মের কারো
> ১৯৭১ এর ইতিহাস নিয়ে
> কাজ করা বৃথা ! তাছাড়া
> শর্মিলা বসুর
> সম্ভ্রমহানি নিয়ে কোন
> ব্লগারের অভদ্র
> কমেন্টটা ওনার মত
> মানুষের রেফারেন্স
> হিসেবে টানাটা ঠিক হলো
> না। সবশেষে, একজন
> গবেষককে (যে মানের-ই হোক)
> বাংলাদেশে অবাঞ্চিত
> করার ঘোষণা দেবার
> উস্কানি দেয়াটাও ঠিক
> মনে হয়নি। একাডেমিক
> বিতর্ক ইতিহাসের নানা
> বিষয়ে থাকে, সেটা
> পালটা গবেষণা করার
> মাধ্যমেই জবাব দেয়া
> উচিৎ, কাউকে নিষিদ্ধ
> করার মাধ্যমে নয়। আশা
> করি এ নিয়ে বিতর্ক
> নতুন গবেষণায়
> বাংলাদেশীদের
> উদ্বুদ্ধ করবে।
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> http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2011-03-27/news/141872
> No offence to the respected teacher, Professor Abdul
> Mannan who wrote about Sharmila Bose stepping out to
> extremism which is beyond the scope of research
> methology..
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> References
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> http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2011-03-27/news/141872
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> http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ebooks/myth-of-3-million.html
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> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism
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> Massacres in Chandraghona,
> Rangamati
> http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ebooks/blood-and-tears.html?start=5
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> Behind the myth of 3
> million
> http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ebooks/myth-of-3-million/download.html
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> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011
> at 4:45 AM, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Respected Teahers are needed to be honest in speaking
> teaching and writing.
> Respected Teachers are needed to be sincere in
> learnig and knowing the truth for making knowlege learning
> resouces for teaching the people to build nation.
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> Dishonest teachers are worse than Rajakars.
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>
> --- On Fri, 25/3/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
>
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> > Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our
> respected Teachers!
> > To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
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> > Received: Friday, 25 March, 2011, 8:57 AM
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> > To my friends well wishers and others.
> >
> > I never subscribed to JSD politics and was never a
> follower
> > of AL politics blindly. I try to be objective as far
> as
> > possible. May be I am a bit biased towards the
> politics of
>
> > AL as I cannot be with any politics of BNP for
> obvious
> > reasons. I also have many critics in AL who thinks
> I
> > should not speak some truths so bluntly they do not
> like.
> > Now for the trial of Col. Taher. His deeds on 7th.
> November
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> > was not under trial but his trial was. The trial of
> Col.
> > Taher was a miscarriage of justice and absolutely non
> > transparent. I expect to write on this. Even the trial
> of
> > killing of Zia was to some extent more transparent
> though
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> > many wrong people were tried (it included quite a few
> of my
> > childhood friends). I never supported his deeds on
> 7th.
> > November and I will say so.
> >
> >
> > Many wishes of our Independence day.
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> > Have a nice day.
> >
> > Mannan
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011
> > at 10:03 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> > Dear Mr.
> > Abid:
> >
> > Assalamualaikum.
> > Thanks for your
> > response towards my posting. In my 40 years of life I
> > didn't see many Bangladeshis with good political
> > consciousness. We are overly biased with our
> political
>
> > ideology. No matter how educated we are, we simply
> can't
> > go beyond our loyalty towards the preferred
> > party/ideology.
> >
> > With no offence to
> > Manna sir and all the respected teacher's in these
> forums,
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> > in our student life, we observed how teachers (mostly
> who
> > thought in the public universities in Bangladesh) are
> busy
> > aligning themselves among Shada, Neel, Holud and
> Golapi
> > panels. We also observed how the best student can't
> become
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> > a teacher if he/she doesn't get the blessing from
> those
> > color coded panels. Contrary, how ordinary student
> become a
> > teacher with the help of same color coded panels.
> >
> > It is also worth
>
> > to mention that it is our Sir's who polluted the
> student
> > politics and used us (students) to become the leader
> of the
> > above mentioned colored coded panels and the ultimate
> price
> > is becoming VC. Now days, some of them do politics in
> the
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> > public university and teaches in the private ones.
> >
> > Saying that, it is
> > also acknowledged, there are still teachers' left
> who does
> > genuinely teaching job. That's why we still have
> > institution like BUET and IBA to name a few.
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> > Now, one can ask,
> > can't teacher be involved in politics! Of course
> they can.
> > But they can't encourage students to be a part of it
> and
> > should leave it out side the institution, at least to
> some
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> > extent.
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> > Thanks
> > again.
> >
> > Helal
> > Toronto,
> > Canada.
> >
> > PS: I request all
> > the respected teacher's in these forums to not to
> take my
> > writing personally. And I hope my writing is not
> towards
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> > them as they don't fall into the teacher's
> category I
> > mentione above. As I said, there are many honorable
> > teachers' in Bangladesh, who is keeping
> > the teaching profession with minimal financial
> compensation.
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> > And some of them still help their student to become
> > extraordinary human being. We still visited them and
> touched
> > their feet out of outmost respect because they deserve
> it.
> > Whenever I go home, I make sure to visit few of my
> teachers
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> > who taught me throughout my life to be a better human
> being.
> > Not necessarily, to be the best student. One of them
> > is Samar Kanti Chowdhury sir, who thought be from
> Grade 1
> > to 6. I wish all the teacher's in Bangladesh is just
> like
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> > him.
> >
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> > Wed, 3/23/11, abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > From: abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR]
> > Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
> >
> > To: chottala@yahoogroups.com,
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> > abid.bahar@gmail.com,
> > Ovimot@yahoogroups.com,
> > faruquealamgir@gmail.com,
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> > farhadmazhar@hotmail.com,
> > farid2002hossain@hotmail.com,
> > notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com,
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> > modzaman@gmail.com
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 7:26 PM
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> > Hasina Fooling People with the Rule of Law
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> > Abid Bahar
> > Professor Mannan is a very enlightened person but at
> > the same time I read him in his work that he is an
> overly
> > enthuasistic pro AL person as well. He is an
> honorable
> > person. I don't think I am qualified to say
> anything to
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> > increase his enlightenment about Bangladesh politics
> but I
> > want to say one thing to help him understand about
> his
> > enthuasism that with the AL appointed judges some
> of whom
> > were vendals and one was a murder accused, the
> judgement
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> > about Taher who was the killer of many innocent army
> offices
> > for implimenting his vision of a the then Chinese
> style
> > sepoy army, Hasina's is clearly politically
> motivated.
> > In this judgement there is nothing to celebrate unless
> you
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> > are a hardcore Awami Leaguer enthusiast.
> >
> > Additionally, it says what is legal is not always
> > moral. Example: If the fascist leader Sadam made laws,
> or
> > Gaddafi or Mujib with their one party rule, made
> laws, in
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> > Mujib's case when the elected Mujib denying the
> > people's mandate made laws to supress the
> opposition
> > installed one party rule, killing the
> opposition with his
> > High Court laws, or killing Siraj Sikdar without laws
> and
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> > boosting about it, it was simply a betrayal with
> the
> > people who voted him to power. In the end such leaders
> as
> > was Saddam with his two children were killed by the
> invasion
> > forces, Mujib with his two children were killed by
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> > Bangladesh army and another dictator Gadafi calling
> himself
> > as a revolutionary stays in power for decades now
> killing
> > his countryman with the same fascist rule of law and
> who
> > knows what awaits for him as well.
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> > In Hasina's case keeping Mahmudur Rahman, the
> > editor of a newspaper in jail by Hasina's court
> was
> > legal but abusing power through courts was neither
> > democratic nor moral. True, politicians and their
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> > enthuasiasts are fooling and ruling people with the
> excuse
> > of rule of law- is a village headman style politics
> brought
> > to the city to convince some already enlightened
> people
> > fighting against dictators and fascist regimes
> worldwide.
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> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> > Dear
> > Manna Sir:
> > Assalamualaikum.
> > Thanks for sharing your comment on High courts verdict
> on
> > Taher killing.
> > Sir,
> > in the last few weeks there were many email circling
> around
>
> > regarding this matter. I also posted a thread few days
> back.
> > I would be honored to hear your feedback in regards of
> my
> > below statement:
> > "Assalamua'laikum.
> > Ok, for the sake of argument, I accept your notion
> that
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> > Ziaur Rahman was a cold blooded murderer for killing
> Col
> > Taher. Then, do you also accept that Sheikh Mujibur
> Rahman
> > was also a cold blooded murderer for killing Siraj
> Sikdar! I
> > hope you must read or remember when Bongbondhu
> proclaimed,
>
> > where is Siraj Sikdar after he was assassinated."
> > I'm
> > really looking fwd to have a knowledgeable discussion
> with
> > you regarding the hypocrisy in our today's society
> when it
> > comes to discussing Mujib/Zia, India/Pakistan,
> Tarek/Joy,
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> > and so on.
> > Sir, I
> > can assume how busy your life is however, your
> response is
> > much appreciated.
> > Helal
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> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
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> > wrote:
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> > From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
> >
> > Subject: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
> > To: khabor@yahoogroups.com,
>
> > alapon@yahoogroups.com,
> > chottala@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Miro Jangi" <mjangi@yahoo.com>,
>
> > Diagnose@yahoogroups.com,
> > "shahid mahmud" <shahid6609@yahoo.com>,
>
> > "sultan chowdhury" <chottalasultan@yahoo.com>,
> > "Saad Andaleeb" <saadandaleeb@gmail.com>
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> >
> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:21 AM
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> > High Court has given a verdict that the hanging of
> > Col. Taher by Gen. Zia was a cold blooded murder and
> the
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> > lone person responsible for it was General Zia. The
> Court
> > also ruled that Zia was also directly involved in
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> > killing of Bangabandhu Sk. Mujib.
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