Mr. Ayubi
You have clearly proven youself to be an Apologist for the Traitors and collaborators
of 1971. The Independence of Bangladesh was declared by General Ziaur Rahman
on the night of 25th March 1971 and later the legitimate government of the People's
Republic of Bangladesh was established at Mujib Nagar by the by the majority of the
elected representative of the people of Bangladesh. Ziaur Rahman was not an obscure
major as you might try to portray through you flawed logic and post ergo propter hoc.
Ziaur Rahman had the full support of the people of Bangladesh and it's legitimate
government during our Glorious Liberation War against the foreign occupation army of
Pakistan. Plese don't try to undermine our Liberation War on technicalities and comparing
with Bongobhumi.
Again, your very statement "Just becaus an obscure major declared independence
does not mean that we became independent." reveals who you really are !
A Traitor will never admit that he was a traitor ! A collaborator of foreign occupation will
never admit that he was a collaborator!
A collaborator will always justify his association with the foreign occupation army.
The rightwing Pakistani Jammat propagandist Javed Iqbal Kaleem once wrote:
"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves death penalty
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves death penalty
for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supported the army. it did it for the cause
of Muslim Ummah. When Awami League tried to break a Muslim country by seeking
aid of the worst anti-Muslim enemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed
Iqbal Kaleem in http://groups.. yahoo.com/ group/khabor/ message/12714
Mr. Ayubi, you are essentially repeating his ideas by saying
"If you do not side with the rebels you do not become a traitor."
Your statement "In 1996 BAL came to power with the help of Jamat and during
their tenuere nothing was said against Jamat".... only proves political opportunism
both sides [both Jaamat & BAL] --- that is my understanding of the issue....
As far as I read in the history books, Mujib didn't surrender on the night od 25th
1971, he was arrested form his residence. No one should expect Mujib to be a
Guerrilla organizer like Che Guevara or Mao Tse Tung. With all his shortcomings,
Mujib was essentially a democratic political leader who skillfully manoeuvred Awami
League's election victory in 1970 election that led to the path of independence of
Bangladesh through historical processes.
During his 9 months of captivation and total isolation in the hands of Fakistan Army
Mujib didn't enter into a compromise with the occupiers of Bangladesh, and there lies
his contribution towords the Liberation War. As a matter of fact the failure of Yahia
Khan to compell Mujib to surrender even under custody gave our Liberation War an
extra degree of legitamacy and international support.
The reason Mujib sacked (???) Tajuddin, as I understand, was nothing more than an
inner-party power struggle not very unusual in any political setup. There was no
major ideological or issue based differences. It was reveals Mujib's personal facination
for control of the party.
In any case, the bottom line is:
(1) Jamaate Islami's role in 1971 was against the mass people of Bangladesh.
No matter how one tries to justify it, that was not a democratic difference of opinion,
but down right collaboration with the dictotorial Yahia Regime and the occupation
army of Pakistan. Jamaat did it in the name of Islam.
(2) Jamaat's Al-Bodor was a paramilitary organization and played the key role in
the intellectual murder in December 1971 and many attrocities throughout
Bangladesh. Jamaate Islami's student wing Islami Chattro Sangha formed the
hard-core of Al-Bodor Bahini.
(3) Jamaat was traitor to our nation in 1971 at the time of of gavest crisis
in the all-time history of this nation.
(4) In 1971 Jamaat condoned the Genocide in Bangladesh and the attrocities
committed by the Pakistan Army.
(5) Now, Bangladesh Jamaate Islami is trying to pass itself as the Patriots of
Bangladesh by many foul means and falsifying the history..
By all accouts Jamaat is Bhua Bangladesh premik [Patriotism is the last
resort of the scroundrels]
Jamaate Islami is Bhua Islam-lover too. They are the modern-day Yazidists.
Yazidists' opposed the Prophet (PBUH) & Islam and joined Islam after the
its' decisive victory and used Islam for political purposes only [after the
assasination . of Hazrat Ali (RA).
(6) One a traitor, always a traitor ... Once a collaborator, always a collaborator.
There is no such thing as reformed TRAITOR or a reformed COLLABORATOR.
Thanks for presenting your points of view and being truthful to your
commitments. Just wondering, which side you were in 1971?
Syed Aslam
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
I have read , understood and replied your mail pointwise but you refuse to see the logic behind my reply and prefer to stick to your guns. I am repeating my reply very briefly
1) Foreign ocuupation Army: There was an occupation army but that was not foreign. Till 16th December 1971 this was a part of Pakistan and Pakistnai currency was legal tender here. Just becaus an obscure major declared independence does not mean that we became independent. Suppose and obscure major of swadhin bangabhumi declares indpendence today then are we going to accept it?
Please tell me one thing why do you want to make the war crime a political issue rather than going to the court of law and have them convicted? Does it not indicate that your intentions are malafide?.
In 1996 BAL came to power with the help of Jamat and during their tenuere nothing was said against Jamat . Is it not hypocracy that if you are with me then you are dhoa tulshi pata but if you oppose me then you are war criminal.
2) Traitor: No one can be called a traitor for not joining even the popular rebellion that was engineered in the RAW headquarters by the Indians. This is the reason that Mujib prefered to surrender to the occupation force rather than run away to India. this is the reason why Tajuddin a left leaning politician was chosen by the Indians as our acting PM ignoring more senior leaders of BAL. This is the reason Mujib sacked Tajuddin.
I appreciate your knowledge and perseverance but when you apply those qualities to defend a wrong cause and colour yourself in the colour of a particular political party then you do not do justice to your reputation.
--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [reform-bd] Killers and traitors of 1971 must never go unpunished !
To: reform-bd@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:03 AMTo: reform-bd@yahoogroups.com
Mr. Ayubi
You have failed to answer my question in
which means that you didn't read the post but got angry just by
seeing the subject head line.
Of course there is a War Crime issue: the issue of attrocities comitted
by the Pakistan Army. For not putting the war criminals under trial for
40 years, the whole nation is at fault.....
You are right, there were war crimes: but the issue in my post was related
but little different. : I have always maintained that Jamaatis under the
leadership of Go Azam and it's Islami Chatra Sangha and Al-bodar wings
under the leadeship of Matiur Rahman Nizami were collaborators of foreign
occupation army , traitors and killers in 1971.After 25th March 1971 and
the declaration of Independence by General Ziaur Rahman, the Pakistan's
presence on the soil of Bangladesh became totally illlegitimate, It became an
occupation regime.In 1971 Jamaate Islami collaborated with a foreign occupation
regime. The Jamaat's gestapo wing Al-bodor was a paramilitary organization
established by the decision of it's central leadership and perputrated
attrocities and killings under the leadership of Matiur Rahman Nizami :
Mr, Ayubi, you have justified the Jammate Islami's henious role as killers,
collaborators of the occupation regime and traitor to our freedom struggle.
Again and again you have proved yourself to be an apologist for Jammate
Islami.
You have said that the issue was brought with "malafied intent" because
"election is knocking in the door" ...... So basically, you are trying to
hide Jamaat's henious acts of 1971 for a "parochial" purpose with
the election in mind. I am not sure, how correct you are,,, But what's
wrong in bringing any issue during election time. Is not election season
best time to present the views and information when the average public
pay most attention on the issues. The voters of Bangladesh must know
the Al-bodors [Jamaat's gestapo wing of 1971] henious crimes and
Jamaat's role as Paki-collaborators, so that the voters can take informed
decisions.
Syed Aslam
PS: Please read my post
where I have clearly described my position on this issue.
On 10/31/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
May I ask you if you only write or do you also have the time to read . How do you call petty crimes by the Paki razakars as War crimes. If those are war crimes then why have the not been triedd for last forty years? Why is it that you only remeber trial of war criminals when election is knocking in the door? Isn't the intention malafide. It was the Pakis who were the war criminals but they were let off the hook by the first BAL administration.
There was a liberation war and there was war crimes but who were the war criminals? Will you please give me the defination as to what constitues a war crime? Crime against humanity was commited by the Paki troops and not by their quislings.
The only reason I can think of why they are remebered before election is because they have a vote bank that can decide who is going to be in power. I can not think of any other reason. Can you? Why dont you talk about the crimes of Rakkhi Bahini? If the so called Razakars are war criminals then rakkhi Bahini is also guilty of similar crimes.
Lets come to your calling the entire Jamat and other Islamic parties as traitors. This I beg to differ. Those people who were twenty year or above old in 1971 are over sisxty yers old now. A very small percentage of their members are above sixty years of age. They believed in ideology of Pakistan and remained loyal to the lawful government of the time and jist because they did not join the rebellion that was inspired by India they can not be called traitors. Now the work killers. Tehre were a total of 55,000 Razakars in the country. Out of the three million alleged to have been killed during the war of liberation how many were killed by the razakars? Do you have any statistics? Can you prove those crimes in the court of law today? To get the statistics and to prove the cases you would have to depent on Shit Horror Kabirs ficticious movies.
Ayubi
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [reform-bd] Killers and traitors of 1971 must never go unpunished !
To: reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [reform-bd] Killers and traitors of 1971 must never go unpunished !
To: reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 11:30 PM
WRT:
Mr. Ayubi
Are you making up stories? Show me where did I used that word in this or any other forum [with message number etc.]?
I have always maintained that Jamaatis under the leadership of Go Azam and it's Islami Chatra Sangha and Al-bodar wings under the leadeship of Matiur Rahman Nizami were collaborators of foreign occupation army , traitors and killers in 1971.
The trial of war criminals and the punishment of traitors, local collaborators and gestapo killers are two different issue [may be related but not identical.]
After 25th March announcement of Independence by Gereral Zia-ur-Rahman and later formal establishment of People's Republic of Bangladesh at Mujib Nagar in April, the Government of People's Republic of Bangladesh became a legitimate government of the land: The nation was born....
Bangladesh became a country under occupation by Izlamic Rufublic of Fakistan.Undoubtly, the Jamaate Islami cooperated with the foreign occupation regime and thus became the traitor to our national liberation struggle and collaborators of the foreign occupation army - the Pakistan Army.
In order to understand why "these killrs not been tried in the lqast forty years" you have to understand the zikzak path of our history and behind the scene string pooling by foreign governments [Saudi & Pakistan etc].
"Forty years" is not a very long lime in the context of the History of a Nation..And there are no statue of limitations for killing of the innocents civillians and
participations in the genocidal acts [as perputrated by Al-bodor and the members of Islami Chattro Sangha].
We the Musulmans still express our hatered and curse towards Yazid and Simar, and mourne over the grief for the massacre at Karbala that happened 1428 years ago.There has been hundreds of Karbala and hundreds of Mai Lai all over Bangladesh
in 1971....
As recently as in 2007 a Nazi Prison Guard (85 year old Paul Henss) has been charged for crimes committed more than 60 years ago. Paul Henss, comitted crimes that occured
at the German concentration camps between 1942 and 1944. Henss oversaw slave laborers & attack dogs which were used to tear prisoners to pieces......
Do you think Al-bodor & Islami Chatro Sangha caders were any better than Yazid's thugs or the Nazi gestapo killers? Did you approve Al-bodor's actions in 1971.
You have been asserting repeatedly that you are no Jamaati sympatheser. What you have got to lose if the killers who live within the territory of Bangladesh are punished through a fair trial. What are you afraid of?
The rightwing Pakistani Jammat propagandist Javed Iqbal Kaleem once wrote:
"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves death penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supported the army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami League tried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslim enemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem in
http://groups.. yahoo.com/ group/khabor/ message/12714
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves death penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supported the army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami League tried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslim enemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem in
http://groups.. yahoo.com/ group/khabor/ message/12714
Mr. Ayubi, you are essentially repeating his ideas by saying
"If you do not side with the rebels you do not become a traitor."
But you should know that, if you side with the occupation army during
a liberation struggle, you are a collaborator and more than anything else
you are a bonafide TRAITOR.
Your "skepticism and opposition" to BAL is understandable, but do you really
have to justify the traitor Jamaat and it's anti-people role in 1971?
Your position is simply helping the criminal Al-Bodors to evade justice/
The Bangladeshis who faught with the Pakistani occupation regime
were not rebels as you say, they were FREEDOM FIGHTERS. You have an
attitude problem. You are (1) Underming our liberation war
(2) Trying to defend the Jamaati Al-bodors
and Islami Chatra Sangha killers through
your subtle aspersions.
You have your rights of Free Speech .... you can always demand
Free and Fair Trial of someone charged for being Albodor or
Islami Chattro Sangha actvist in the killing fields of 1971 and aiding and
abetting Genocide in Bangladesh.
FYI , again after 25th 1971 Bangladesh was not legally a part of Pakistan .
Tikka Khan -Yahia Khan gang didn't didn't agree, and you are odaciously
regurgitating the position laken by Yahia Khan in 1971.
Our future generations must know what happened in History: Who were the
collaborators and traitors during our liberation war in 1971. They must know
the role played by Jamaate Islami and its Al-bodor & Islami Chattro Sangha
wings as collaborators of occupation army, as traitors and killers of 1971.
Thanks for raising the issue ....
Syed Aslam
message
To: reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com, "khabor" <khabor@yahoogroups. com>, chottala@yahoogroup s.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com>, notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:45 AM
Lest we forget, Jamaat's Al-Badar and it killing missions were "political phenomena" that may repeat under different lebash, unless the ordinary masses of Banladesh is constantly on the guard.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Kaleem,
Many thanks for your compliments. I am no Jamat sypathiser but the hypocracy of Awami League troubles me. and that forces me werite against the hypocrites.
Best regards
Salahuddin Ayubi
Many thanks for your compliments. I am no Jamat sypathiser but the hypocracy of Awami League troubles me. and that forces me werite against the hypocrites.
Best regards
Salahuddin Ayubi
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
You have now changed your language. You have now come to traitor and killers from war criminals. I dispute that they are traitors because when they sided with Pakistan the present day bangladesh was legally part of Pakistan and they were loyal to the lawful authority of the country. If you do not side with the rebels you do not become a traitor. Now the killer part of it. The incidents took pplace forty years ago, Are there enough evidence to convict any of the so called killers. Can you please tell me why have these killrs not been tried in the lqast forty years. Have you just woken up from your long slumber and just came to know about these killers.?
I am curious. Want to b enlightened by you.
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: [reform-bd] Killers and traitors of 1971 must never go unpunished !Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:45 AM
Jamaat reformed its constitution?
Ms.Nushaiba Abubakar
In your defense for Jamaat, you said:
"What about the voilance and hostility by other party?"
How can one crime justify other crime ?
It is an open secret that Jamaat's 1971 crimes were organized crimes in the name of Islam and saving Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Lest we forget, Jamaat's Al-Badar and it killing missions were "political phenomena" that may repeat under different lebash, unless the ordinary masses of Banladesh is constantly on the guard.
Thus, it is an utmost necessity to increase public awareness on Jamaat's crimes of 1971.
Let everyone know what has hppened in 1971; Jamaat's anti-people role must always be exposed.
Let everyone know what has hppened in 1971; Jamaat's anti-people role must always be exposed.
Everyone must know that Jamaat's student wing Islami Chattro Sangha's
hand was tainted with so much of Bangladeshi blood that when it
resurfaced in late 70s, it had a new name Islami Chattro Sibir....
Again, Ms.Nushaiba Abubakar, you must always
differentiate between the Gestapo killers 1971 like
the Jamaat's Al-bodors wing and ordinary supporters
of Pakistan's integrity. The traitors and the killers should
never go unpunished.
Syed Aslam
Please read the following Bangla article in this connection:
জামায়াতের আল-বাদরী সমাচার
[Jamater Al-Badori Shomachar (Bangla)]
জামায়াতের আল-বাদরী সমাচার
[Jamater Al-Badori Shomachar (Bangla)]
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