I am neither confused nor irrational. You might think me irritated but
many others thought it's just fine and even appreciated my view.
Contrary your continuous writing in favour of Pakistan generating
anger among Chottala reader. Don't you realize that?
More over you are using this Chottala as an anti America platform. We
are not anti American. We don't feel any interest for that apparently
terrorist lady (dr afia siddiqie, who was got caught along with
Talebans while hurling grenade to American soldiers). Highest degree
from prestigious Yale League University does not guarantee that she
will not be terrorist. What ever she is please note we don't have any
interest on that seemingly terrorist lady. Dr Siraj correctly(I
appreciate) pointed your concern is not for Pakistani regime killed 3
million Bangladeshi and 200,000 sisters raped but for only that
apparent terrorist lady.
You might be thinking you are the ONLY wise man in this Chottala and
also have plenty of leisure time to write 10's of email to Chottala
every. Also you seek knowledge from every avenue (not like frog in the
well). But now a day I find your most writing is either for dr afia or
taleban or Pakistan or copy and paste from other news story. Is that
the knowledge you are seeking. Better you seek your knowledge and
develop your OWN FACULTY on those issues but please don't misguide
Chottala reader and DO NOT disturb us with your orthodox mindset.
Nader Chowdhury
--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, "Syed Aslam" <Syed.Aslam3@...> wrote:
>
> WRT:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chottala/message/8941
>
>
> Dear All
>
> I don't understand why this Mister Nader Chowdhury is getting
irritated so
> easily!
> Is he totally confused????
> *The Chottala home page clearly says:*
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> mirza galib, culture, love, prem,Indian sub-continent, shayari, fun,
music,
> masti, masala, Friendship ........
>
> As far as I know we the people of Chittagong are not *KOOPOMONDUKS*
> [Frogs with limited vision sitting at the bottom of a deep well].
> Many notable people & scholars from Chittagong have made their marks
> in the various aspects of international affairs .....
> Isolationism would lead us to nowhere ...... Tolerance and Diversity
> of opinion and views form the basis of any respectable discussion
> forum. Chottala is not an exception.
>
> Mr.Nader Chowdhury is always welcome to discuss a news item
> and present his differences in views & perspectives .... not empty
> and negative rethorics.
>
> A better future for Chittagong relies on the appreciation of and
> acceptance of diversity not on parochialism or paranoia.
>
> Thanks
>
> Syed Aslam
>
> On 10/26/08, naderchowdhury <naderchowdhury@...> wrote:
> >
> > Miru
> > Mr Syed Aslam using our Chottala for Pakistan propaganda machine.
He might
> > have interest in Pakistan. But *we *dont have any *interest to listen
> > pakistan* or its story(we have enough with pakistan). Moreover we dont
> > like to use Chottala as *anti american* group.
> >
> > Syed aslam *should read* *chottala's home* page for its description:
> >
> > "The intention of this group is to meet or bring together the
people from
> > all over the world who once studied, lived, have relatives, merely
> > interested or from Chittagong, Bangladesh! Chittagong is famous
for its
> > natural beauty, rich history and its great people.
> >
> > We want to be united and help each other everyway possible. We want to
> > leverage our united voice, our expertise, our experiences and our
ideas for
> > a better future for Chittagong.
> >
> > Thanks for your interest! & WELCOME!! "
> >
> > Nader Chowdhury
> >
> > --- In chottala@yahoogroups.com <chottala%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Syed Aslam"
> > <Syed.Aslam3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > US training Pakistani forces to fight Taliban
> > >
> > > - By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer Stephen Graham,
> > Associated
> > > Press Writer – Fri Oct 24, 1:09 pm ET
> > >
> > > [image: The Pakistan Problem] Play Video
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmaHv4SKDlCoYmJCNX5S0GX9xg8F/SIG=12foo3j
> > 0b/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4227541%
> > 26cl=10259661%26lang=en>60
> > > Minutes <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2833> – The Pakistan Problem
> > >
> > > - [image: Pakistan]
> > >
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Pakistan/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan>*
> > > Slideshow:* Pakistan
> > >
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Pakistan/ss/events/wl/081401pakistan>
> > > - [image: Taliban force phone network shutdown] Play Video
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApFxjxDawG91JAEUgKlJeWf9xg8F/SIG=12f8ia5
> > 0h/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10362584%26lang=en>
> > > *Video:* Taliban force phone network shutdown
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsvvxHpdk4es4QhMh7hi.aD9xg8F/SIG=12f8ia5
> > 0h/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10362584%26lang=en>
> > > Reuters
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2704;_ylt=AqdcZ0Mr7ZW3HF63QQ0EOFT9xg8F>
> > > - [image: 'Missiles' hit Pakistan school] Play Video
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ArjRScUVODGan1c0IpbCsGv9xg8F/SIG=12f8e0m
> > 1s/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10346158%26lang=en>
> > > *Video:* 'Missiles' hit Pakistan school
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Apt3kExzdIRP48CXQqX_KVj9xg8F/SIG=12f8e0m
> > 1s/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10346158%26lang=en>
> > > BBC
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2919;_ylt=AtJA2v9_d8hdP4LeG09npQ79xg8F>
> > >
> > > [image: Pakistan's tribesmen hold remains of missile allegedly
> > fired by US
> > > forces on the] <http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Miran-Shah-Taliban-
> > Pakistan/photo//081023/481/32c2e1e36bbc4a3c9a5d72f67ef918ca//s:/ap/200
> > 81024/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_us_training_mission>
> > > *AP – Pakistan's tribesmen hold remains of missile allegedly fired
> > by US
> > > forces on the outskirts of Pakistan's …*
> > >
> > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – U.S. special forces have begun teaching a
> > Pakistani
> > > paramilitary unit how to fight the Taliban and al-Qaida, hoping to
> > > strengthen a key front-line force as violence surges on both sides
> > of the
> > > border with Afghanistan.
> > >
> > > The sensitive mission puts rare American boots on the ground in a
> > key
> > > theater in the war against extremist groups, but it risks fanning
> > anti-U.S.
> > > sentiment among Pakistani Muslims already angry over suspected CIA
> > missile
> > > attacks on militants in the same frontier region.
> > >
> > > "The American special forces failed in Afghanistan and Iraq," said
> > Ameerul
> > > Azim, an official in the hard-line Islamic party Jamaat-e-
> > Islami. "Those who
> > > failed everywhere cannot train our people."
> > >
> > > Despite such complaints, the training program comes as some tribes
> > in the
> > > frontier zone are setting up militias to help the Pakistani
> > government
> > > combat extremist movements. The new forces have been compared to
> > the Sunni
> > > Arab militias in Iraq that helped beat back the insurgency there.
> > >
> > > Still, the U.S. training program is reportedly smaller than
> > originally
> > > proposed and was delayed, apparently reflecting misgivings in
> > Pakistan's
> > > government about allowing U.S. troops on its territory.
> > >
> > > Its start has not been officially announced, but a Pakistani
> > military
> > > officer and a U.S. defense official told The Associated Press that
> > two to
> > > three dozen trainers arrived earlier this month.
> > >
> > > The Pakistani said the Americans had already begun training senior
> > personnel
> > > of the paramilitary Frontier Corps at an undisclosed location in
> > Pakistan's
> > > restive northwest, adjacent to Afghanistan. He said the course
> > included
> > > classroom and field exercises.
> > >
> > > The Pentagon official said the Americans would stay for a few
> > months. He
> > > said that it would likely be a one-time effort and that there were
> > no plans
> > > to send more trainers.
> > >
> > > Both agreed to discuss the program only if granted anonymity,
> > because
> > > details had not been made public.
> > >
> > > Asked about the program Thursday, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman
> > declined
> > > to give any specifics. But he contrasted the mission with much
> > larger U.S.
> > > training efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, where U.S. soldiers are
> > embedded
> > > with local units on the battlefield.
> > >
> > > "It is a train-the-trainer type of concept," Whitman said. "They
> > are not
> > > actually conducting operations."
> > >
> > > The Frontier Corps is a relic of British rule that was long a
> > poorly armed,
> > > untrained police force that the government hopes can be remade into
> > a potent
> > > unit capable of confronting Taliban militants.
> > >
> > > Its troopers are local men, in contrast to the army, which is
> > dominated by
> > > ethnic Punjabis and is viewed as an occupying force by the Pashtun
> > > tribesliving on both sides of the border. U.S. and Pakistani
> > officials
> > > argue that
> > > the corps' local knowledge and cultural sensitivities make it the
> > best tool
> > > in a battle where winning hearts and minds is crucial.
> > >
> > > The goal is that a strong Frontier Corps can take on most combat
> > duties,
> > > allowing a gradual pullback of the army that is hoped will ease
> > tensions in
> > > the northwest.
> > >
> > > The U.S. has poured some $10 billion into Pakistan since the then-
> > president,
> > > Gen. Pervez Musharraf, turned against his former Taliban allies in
> > > Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Most of the money
> > has gone
> > > to the army, including the $70 million earmarked for the Frontier
> > Corps
> > > program.
> > >
> > > U.S. forces already trained Pakistan's Special Services Group, a
> > commando
> > > unit that crushed militants holding Islamabad's Red Mosque last
> > year.
> > > Washington also has supplied the helicopter gunships that are
> > seeing heavy
> > > use in army offensives in several Pakistani border regions.
> > >
> > > But with the war dragging in Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers and
> > commentators
> > > have questioned why Pakistan still seems unable to eradicate
> > militant
> > > sanctuaries on its side of the border.
> > >
> > > "This thought has come pretty late in the day," Rasul Bakhsh Rais, a
> > > professor of political sciences, said of Pakistan's decision to let
> > the
> > > trainers in. "But still I don't think it is too late, given the
> > fact that
> > > this is going to be a very long war."
> > >
> > > With many Pakistanis accusing their army of fighting a proxy war
> > against its
> > > own citizens at Washington's behest, U.S. officials have said
> > Pakistan was
> > > reluctant to accept foreign training, but softened its stance in
> > the light
> > > of mounting losses.
> > >
> > > Musharraf, who was forced out of office earlier this year,
> > announced a plan
> > > in 2007 to build up the Frontier Corps so it could confront Taliban
> > > fighters.
> > >
> > > At the time, its troops had no body armor, few vehicles and an
> > arsenal of
> > > only aging rifles. With U.S. help, the corps has received several
> > more
> > > battalions, been armed with tanks and artillery and is now heavily
> > involved
> > > in fighting in the Bajur and Swat areas.
> > >
> > > American officials have said they are also supplying equipment such
> > as
> > > helmets, flak vests and night-vision goggles.
> > >
> > > "The hope is that the more trainers we train, the more effective
> > they will
> > > be in training their forces and the more capable forces will then
> > be able to
> > > take the fight to the militants in the tribal areas where they
> > operate,"
> > > Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said.
> > >
> > > The training program has begun despite strains in Pakistani-U.S.
> > relations.
> > >
> > > Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who replaced Musharraf as army chief,
> > and the
> > > former leader's successor as president, Asif Ali Zardari, have
> > maintained
> > > close ties with Washington. But they have condemned the recent U.S.
> > missile
> > > strikes, the latest of which killed nine people Thursday.
> > >
> > > Cooperation has also been chilled by an incident in June when U.S.
> > warplanes
> > > killed 11 Frontier Corps troopers at a border post. U.S. officials
> > said the
> > > action during a skirmish with militants was justified. Pakistan's
> > army
> > > insists no shots were fired from the post.
> > >
> > > U.S. officials suspect some Frontier Corps troops sympathize with
> > the
> > > Taliban and ignore militants sneaking though mountain passes into
> > > Afghanistan to attack U.S. and NATO troops.
> > >
> > > Pakistani officials agree the corps has problems, but analysts say
> > a better
> > > trained force is more likely to have the confidence to take on the
> > > militants. American officials also hope it will become a better
> > partner for
> > > cross-border cooperation.
> > >
> > > ___
> > >
> > > Associated Press writers Lolita Baldor in Washington and Munir
> > Ahmad in
> > > Islamabad contributed to this report.
> > >
> > >
> > > More on Pakistan
> > >
> > > - 4 Pakistanis arrested over Marriott blast
> > >
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_arrests_1
> > >AP
> > > - Pakistan sacks coach Lawson
> > >
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081024/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketpaklawsons
> > ack_081024164257>
> > > AFP
> > > - Pakistani refugees complain of army and Taliban
> > >
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_cost_of_w
> > ar_2>
> > > AP
> > >
> > > More...
> > >
> > > - *Video:* Suspected U.S. Missile Strike in Pakistan
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsSTAhb8bi17c5Fl_yFGrN_9xg8F/SIG=12fuard
> > tq/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10343309%26lang=en>ABC
> > > News
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2614;_ylt=Ari3WqI0Gea2ryvrp1j96639xg8F>
> > > - *Video:* Ancient Kashmir trade route re-opens
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmXROiYhmCvTxVBeNnOXHOf9xg8F/SIG=12fs13f
> > mu/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10323156%26lang=en>
> > > BBC
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2919;_ylt=AlkCN.zEsBBEx1ifU1Dndd79xg8F>
> > > - *Video:* Pakistan faces cash crisis
> > >
> > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AuvR49PZYQmNdmIM5cjcVOb9xg8F/SIG=12f3qk7
> > 4i/**http%3A//cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews%3Fch=4226714%
> > 26cl=10323023%26lang=en>
> > > BBC
> > <http://news.yahoo.com/i/2919;_ylt=AglAL0dr9en45..Sck9o9lb9xg8F>
> > >
> > > *US training Pakistani forces to fight
> > >
> > Taliban*<http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5joMde9xmek_Irl52RkIJm5peox
> > 9gD94104E00>
> > > The Associated Press - 3 hours ago
> > > ISLAMABAD, *Pakistan* (AP) — *US* special *forces* have begun
> > teaching a *
> > > Pakistani* paramilitary unit how to *fight* the *Taliban* and al-
> > Qaida,
> > > hoping to strengthen a *...*
> > > *US* Special *Forces Training Pakistani* Units:
> > > Report<http://www.newsroomamerica.com/world/story.php?id=435840>
> > > Newsroom America, New Zealand - 20 minutes ago
> > > *US* Special *Forces* troops are *training* a *Pakistani*
> > paramilitary unit
> > > how to better *fight* the *Taliban* and al Qaeda, in an attempt to
> > shore up
> > > an important *...*
> > >
> > > Thaindian.com<http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/us-
> > to-train-pak-troops-how-to-fight-out-taliban_100108630.html>
> > > '*US* desperate to help *Pakistan fight
> > > Taliban*'<http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C10%
> > 5C18%5Cstory_18-10-2008_pg1_7>
> > > Daily Times, Pakistan - Oct 17, 2008
> > > LAHORE: The *US* military begins a *training* effort inside
> > *Pakistan* this
> > > week that 'holds promise' as the *US* is desperate to help
> > *Pakistan fight
> > > Taliban* in the *...*
> > > *US* plan to help *Pakistan fight*
> > > insurgents<http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1017/p02s01-usfp.html>
> > > Christian
> > > Science Monitor
> > > *US* to train Pak troops how to *fight* out
> > > *Taliban*<http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/us-to-
> > train-pak-troops-how-to-fight-out-taliban_100108630.html>
> > > Thaindian.com
> > > *US* begins *training* mission in
> > >
> > *Pakistan*<http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/17/US_begins_training_m
> > ission_in_Pakistan/UPI-35721224288082/>
> > > United
> > > Press International
> > > all 244 news articles
> > > »<http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&gl=us&ned=us&ie=UTF-
> > 8&ncl=1259879721>
> > >
> > > Calgary Herald<http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?
> > id=133da479-572e-4b6c-9ad0-6874deb7050a>
> > > INDIA-*PAKISTAN*: A River Runs Through
> > > It<http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/india/articles/20081024.aspx>
> > > Strategy Page - 10 hours ago
> > > October 19, 2008: Over the weekend, *Pakistani* troops moved into a
> > > large *Taliban
> > > training* camp in the hills surrounding the Swat valley. Over 60
> > *Taliban*died
> > > *...*
> > > *US* hits Haqqani Network in North
> > >
> > Waziristan<http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/10/us_hits_haqq
> > ani_netw.php>
> > > Long
> > > War Journal
> > > Strike On *Pakistan* Islamic School Kills
> > > 9<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/23/world/main4540131.shtml>
> > > CBS
> > > News
> > > *Pakistan* to arm tribal
> > > militias<http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?
> > storyID=732570&category=REGION>
> > > Albany
> > > Times Union
> > > Metro Canada -
> > Vancouver<http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/world/article/129866>
> > > all 813 news articles
> > > »<http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&gl=us&ned=us&ie=UTF-
> > 8&ncl=1261422524>
> > > Al-Qaeda websites
> > >
> > attacked<http://www.opendemocracy.net/terrorism/article/security_brief
> > ings/231008>
> > > Open Democracy, UK - 9 hours ago
> > > According to Lieutenant-General Lloyd Austin, commander of *US*
> > combat *
> > > forces* in Iraq, the province was experiencing over twenty attacks
> > per week.
> > > *...*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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