You should know Bangladesh is liberated to establish soci-economical justice . For justice it needs to establish lawful administration to establish justice of law and justice of humanity . To justice humanity it is essential moral duty of Bangladesh Government administration to make investigation to find out names of the persons who were killed during libaration.and declare one national memorial day for them. Other wise nation willbe treated as ungrateful to them.
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--- On Mon, 14/3/11, Em Pannah <empannah@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Em Pannah <empannah@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [chottala.com] How many killed in the Liberation war
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: empannah@hotmail.com
> Received: Monday, 14 March, 2011, 1:18 AM
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> Dear All,
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> I totally agree that
> there is no need to reopen the issue since
> 3 million is an established figure. However,
> nobody should call others as fool - we should show
> tolerance to others' view in public media like
> Internet.
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> With best regards,
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> Dr. Emarat Hossain
> Pannah
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> Maryland, USA
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> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:23:42 +0000
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How many killed in the
> Liberation war
> From: saifakhan01@gmail.com
> To: sirajulhaider@yahoo.com
> CC: chottala@yahoogroups.com; empannah@hotmail.com
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> Dear Mr. Pannah, Mr.Siraj and all interested people.
>
> Events of the First World War, Second World War and other
> historical events are not
> reinterpreted nor are new or revisionist theories
> propagated by orthodox historians or students of history.
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> These issues can only be opened/ reopened by vested
> interested groups of revisionist thinking.
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> With regard to 1971 War of liberation 3 million war dead is
> the part of conventional history facts. Whatever happened
> need not be reopened after half a century.
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> I see some people in USA are trying to reopen this issue.
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> These people are either total fools or are serving
> interests of some other wretched people..
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> Not all issues can be reopened nor should be reopened.
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> Saif Khan
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> On 13 March 2011
> 14:14, Sirajul Haider <sirajulhaider@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear Mr. Pannah,
>
> Genocide is genocide, be it 3,000, 30,000 or 3 lacs or
> 3 million and it the most heinous act the brutal Pak army
> did here in our mother land. But my point is the figure must
> not be exaggerated. Why I said is known to many AL leaders
> and you can not find in any documents prior 10 March 1972
> that the figure was 3 million. It was since bongobondhu
> wrongly quoted thinking 3 lacs = 3 million and after that no
> one dared to correct it since this was uttered by
> bongobondhu and continued. I also did not want to raise the
> issue after so many years since I saw Mr. Helal pointed out
> the matter so I just echoed with him with the fact that me
> and many others knew.
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> Best regards
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> Siraj
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> From: Em Pannah <epannah@yahoo.com>
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> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com;
> md. saiful KHAN <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
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> Cc: Em Pannah <empannah@hotmail.com>
> Sent:
> Sunday, 13 March 2011 01:46:07
> Subject: Re:
> [chottala.com] How many
> killed in the Liberation war
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> Dear
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> This is a serious issue
> indeed. Everybody knows it as 3 million; does anybody
> have any acceptable proof that it is really 3 lacs (and not
> 3 million).
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> With best
> regards,
> Dr. Emarat Hossain
> Pannah
> (A living
> freedom-fighter from 11 sector - now living in USA since
> 1990)
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> --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Sirajul Haider <sirajulhaider@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> From: Sirajul Haider <sirajulhaider@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [chottala.com] How many
> killed in Liberation war: How 3 lacs became 30 lacs after 10
> March 1972
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com,
> "md. saiful KHAN" <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:59 AM
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> Dear Mr Helal,
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> I really appreciate your courageous declaration of the
> fact that the death of 30 lacs was very much exaggerated.
> You said that it was slip of tongue of Shaikh Mujib but the
> truth is it was not a slip of tongue by Sk Mujib since to
> his said it 3 million thinking 1 million= 1 lac, he did
> not know that 1 million is actually 10 lacs. When Sk Mujib
> said 3 million of death to foreign journalists to indicate
> actually 3 lacs 1 lac then 1 minister wanted
> correct him but other minister said since bongobondhu
> already uttered 3 million so no need to correct him since
> same will high light his poor knowledge numerology
> terms. So from that 3 lacs became 3 millions= 30
> lacks. Many people know this but no one dares to speak
> out, if you say this then you will be termed a
> rajakar.
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> Siraj
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> saiful KHAN
> <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
> Cc: Khabor
> Dot Com <info@khabor.com>;
> Abba <hussain7192@rogers.com>;
> khabor@yahoogroups.com;
> chottala@yahoogroups.com;
> Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>;
> Mohammad Haque <ashraful_00@yahoo.com>;
> mr mahmud <mrmahmud71@yahoo.com>;
> Mohammed Sharfuddin <sharfuddinbd@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday,
> 11 March 2011 00:32:33
> Subject: [chottala.com] Re: [Alapon]
> Protest against Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15th
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> Dear Dr.
> Saiful khan:
>
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> Assalamualikum.
> Thank you for your response regarding my posting. You
> didn’t hurt my feelings
> as what you have said is nothing wrong from your point of
> view. And that's what civic people do to communicate
> with one another. I'm humbled to even communicate to a
> person like you or Dr. Nuran Nabi and many others in these
> forums who are way educated and accomplished than me. I take
> your criticism as a learning tool for being shaped as a
> mature human being.
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> As I
> mentioned earlier, I have outmost respect for the Freedom
> fighter on 1971. But
> I’m not sure, I can say
> the same thing about the honorable living Freedom fighters
> in 2011. I also expressed the similar feelings to my
> Father-in-law after seeing
> Felani’s hanging dead
> body on the wired fence.
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> You and I
> are extremely fortunate that we do not leave along the
> Bangladesh-India border fence. Imagine you daughter or
> sister killed like that hanged for hours. God forbid,
> that’s
> shouldn’t happen to any
> of us or even to our ill seekers.
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> I do not
> think I made the false accusation regarding the living
> Freedom fighters being mum with all the injustice
> Bangladesh is receiving over
> the last 39 years. Some of their inaction is louder than my
> word. However, you have all the rights to disagree with my
> assertion and I ask all the living Freedom
> fighter’s forgiveness
> for being ungrateful.
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> Your generation
> saw Pakistan as oppressor and
> you spoke loud about it as that was the right thing to do.
> Our generation is seeing India as the oppressor,
> and we are speaking about it. I do not have any hurt feeling
> towards the Indian people but the Indian authority who is
> humiliating us periodically. Well, I do not solely blame
> Indian authority either, but us, as we are the one who is
> letting them to dictate our lives by being divided and
> weak.
>
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>
>
> Dear Ms Farah and
> Mr.Anis:
>
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> Assalamualikum.
> Thanks for your response as well. I hope we realize that by
> being hateful to each others, we are completely destroying
> the future of Bangladesh. The sooner we
> realize it the better it is for us. We are a country of
> numerous prospects and our neighbors like India and China leading the way
> to be prosperous nations. All we have to do is just learn
> from them, how to be united when it come to national issues.
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> The other thing is
> haunting me is very sensitive to talk about.
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> Ok,
> let’s talk about it, as
> most of us in these forums are well-informed and may have
> the courage to discuss something enormously
> sensitive.
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> War
> Criminals:
>
> We all want
> justice for the Pakistani Collaborators who slaughters
> innocent Bangalee’s
> ruthlessly. Then how about the justice for innocent
> Bihari’s who were also
> slaughtered by
> Bangalee’s! Why, no one
> is seeking justice for all the murders!
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> If
> I’m a JUST person,
> then, I should be JUST to all. Not, only to my family,
> friends, and well wishers. Right!!
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> Yes, there
> is no doubt in my mind that
> Bangalee’s were
> slaughtered thousands time more than
> Bihari’s by brutal
> Pakistani army and their Bangalee collaborators.
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> FYI,
> I’m not a Bihari origin
> but a Bangladeshi from both parental sides.
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> Thanks everyone
> for reading this long mail. And pls accept my sincerely
> apology if this mail hurt you in any way. As I said above,
> you have all the rights to disagree with whatever I said and
> allow me to understand if I got it all wrong.
>
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>
> Helal
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> --- On Thu, 3/10/11, md. saiful KHAN <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> From: md. saiful KHAN <saifakhan01@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alapon] Protest against Sarmila Bose's
> book event on March 15th
> To: alapon@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "Helal Ahmed" <huahmed@yahoo.com>,
> "Khabor Dot Com" <info@khabor.com>,
> "Abba" <hussain7192@rogers.com>,
> khabor@yahoogroups.com,
> chottala@yahoogroups.com,
> "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 2:36 AM
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> Dear Bhai Helal CC Dean Dr.
> Nurun Nabi
>
> I have read your email letter to Dr. Nurun Nabi.
> We are proud of your father in law and father as we are
> proud of Dean Dr. Nurun Nabi.
>
> Your assertion " What i don't
> understand is that in this forum, i do not see you or any
> other Freedom fighters are crying for Felani or thousands of
> innocent Bangladeshis are killed by Indian border
> force" makes it clear that you have no real respect
> for the most invaluable contribution of our freedom
> fighters of Bangladesh including your
> father or father in law.
>
> How can you raise such an allegation like this ?
>
> In one life time fighting or taking part in one freedom
> struggle or war of liberation is the most commemdable part
> of valour or patriotism.
>
> Have you or I or most of our countrymen fought or got the
> chance to take part in a glorious war of emancipation?
>
> Let us all be measured and balanced in our evaluation.
>
> Please do not feel hurt by this comment of mine.
>
>
> Dr. Md. Saiful Amin Khan
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> Retired Ambassador and Permanent Secretary of Bangladesh
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> London
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> On 9 March 2011 21:23,
> Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Assalamualikum
> Dear Dr. Nuran Nabi.
>
> My
> name is Helal Ahmed and i born in 1970.
> I’m very proud of you
> as a living Freedom fighter as
> I’m proud of my
> Father-in-law and late father. You and my Father-in-law
> faced the bullet in the forefront and my late father
> fought the war in a different way. I wish I was born at that
> time to do the same. I understand your sentiment towards
> 1971.
>
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> What i don't
> understand is that in this forum, i do not see you or any
> other Freedom fighters are crying for Felani or thousands of
> innocent Bangladeshis are killed by Indian border
> force.
>
> I
> guess you and some of the Freedom fighters fought the war
> against Pakistan not for
> Bangladesh. If you fought
> for Bangladesh, than i should
> have seen your anger against the Felani killer just the way
> you showed your anger towards Pakistani
> murderers.
>
> Also, in our 1971
> war, 3 million people
> didn’t die. The
> mentioned number was a slip of tongue by Bongobondhu. And
> people are Bangladesh
> can’t even talk about
> it as they might be labeled as Razakar. For the sake of new
> generation, it is your duty to tell the
> truth.
>
> Pls
> accept my sincere apology if I hurt you with this mail. As a
> generation after 1970,
> I’m just tired of
> seeing Bangladeshis keep talking about old enemy and being
> mum of new enemy.
>
> FYI, as you are, I
> also want the trial of 1971 war criminals. But I
> don’t think our
> neighboring country want this issue to be resolved as this
> the only way to keep Bangladesh divided and let
> us in fighting. See, people like you and me, living in
> different countries, from completely different generations,
> still wasting our time to argue over something which should
> have been solved 40 years ago.
>
> I’m
> very much in doubt that current AL government will
> complete the trial. After the five long years, they will say
> they have to come back to power again to finish the
> trial.
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> Thanks in advance
> for your understanding.
>
> Helal
>
> --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> From: Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Alapon] Protest against Sarmila Bose's book
> event on March 15th
> To: alapon@yahoogroups.com,
> "Khabor Dot Com" <info@khabor.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:42 PM
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> I would appreciate if you
> post this in your group
>
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> ---------- Forwarded
> message ----------
> From: Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:21 PM
> Subject: Protest against Sarmila Bose's book event on
> March 15th
> To: mike.vandusen@wilsoncenter.org
>
>
>
> Mr. Mike Van Dusen
>
> Executive Vice President of the Woodrow Wilson
> Center for
> Internatio​nal
> Scholars
>
>
> Dear Mr. Van Dusen,
>
>
> It is with great dismay I tell you that you
> have organized an event with a controversial writer Sarmila
> Bose in the month of March which is the
> 40th anniversary of the beginning of Bangladesh
> genocide 1971 where 3 million people were killed, 200
> thousand women were raped, 10 million people were forced to
> become refugees to lead a sub-human life during 9 months of
> the war..
>
> These crimes against humanity are well documented
> including a book by USA Consul General in Dhaka Late Mr.
> Archer Blood and a report by Late Senator Edward
> Kennedy.
>
> Sarmila Bose's book event on March 15 is
> an insult to the victims of Bangladesh genocide.
>
> I am a Freedom Fighter of Bangladesh liberation war
> and a witness to the crimes against humanity perpetrated by
> the Pakistani military and their Bengali
> collaborators. I have written several books on
> Bangladesh liberation war. My latest book Bullets of
> '71- A Freedom Fighter's Story describes Bangladesh
> genocide committed by the Bangladesh war criminals. (See my
> website www.nurannabi.com to
> know more about Bangladesh genocide )
>
> After 40 years, trial of the Bangladesh war
> criminals just has started. Since then Bangladesh war
> criminals and their supporters have started orchestrated
> campaign to misinform and mislead the world opinion
> regarding the extent of Bangladesh genocide. Sarmila Bose is
> a part of that grand scheme.
>
> Sarmila Bose and others are promoting
> their hidden agenda in a very subtle way to
> protect the Bangladesh war criminals. Its irony that she is
> using organization like Woodrow Wilson Center in the USA
> capital to misguide the opinion maker.
>
> You must stop this event which is a heinous design
> of the Bangladesh war criminals. You should allow to let
> people know the truth about Bangladesh war crimes which Ms
> Bose is trying to hide and protect the war
> criminals.
>
> I am walling to present evidence for the crimes
> against humanity in Bangladesh in 1971 perpetrated by
> Pakistani military and their Bengali collaborators based on
> my new book.
>
> I would appreciate if you invite me to the event to
> counter Ms. Bose's misleading conclusion and allow
> me tell the truth to the audience.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
>
> Regards,
> Nuran Nabi, PhD
> Councilman of Plainsboro Township, NJ
> and a Freedom Fighter of Bangladesh Liberation
> war
> Tel: 609 529 5065
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