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Wednesday, October 7, 2009

[chottala.com] Netanyahu’s UN speech - The pathology of evil



Netanyahu's UN speech - The pathology of evil

-- Gilad Atzmon (gilad.co.uk) is an Israeli-born writer and jazz musician living in London. He had previously served in the Israeli military but he is currently an anti-racism campaigner. His latest CD is In Loving Memory of America.
(AFP) Israeli PM Netanyahu's speech at the UN is a major insight into the Israeli's mentality.

By Gilad Atzmon

Israeli PM Netanyahu's speech at the UN is a major insight into the Israeli's mentality, psyche and logic. In his speech, Netanyahu gives air to his genocidal inclinations, he brings to light the Israeli supremacy but he also allows us to detect some shaky and vulnerable spots at the heart of the Israeli national narrative. It seems as if the 'discredited' Iranian president Ahmadinejad has managed to succeed after all.

  • Don't you mess with Our Shoa

The Shoa somehow allows Israelis to kill en masse and to do it indistinguishably while insisting that it is they who happen to be the victims.

"I went to a villa in a suburb of Berlin called Wannsee." Said Netanyahu. "There, on January 20, 1942, after a hearty meal, senior Nazi officials met and decided how to exterminate the Jewish people."

PM Netanyahu, if you are genuinely interested in 'extermination plans' you do not have to travel to Wannsee, Berlin. All you have to do is visit your IDF's headquarters in Tel Aviv. Your chief commanders will guide you through their IDF 'solutions' for the Palestinians. At the end of the day, it is your army that surrounds Palestinians with barbed-wire, it is you who keep civilian populations in a siege with inadequate food supplies and medicine. It is your army that poured WMD over the most densely populated neighbourhoods on this planet. While the real meaning of the 'Nazi Final Solution' (Die Endlösung) is still discussed by historians who fail to agree between themselves what it really meant, the true reality of the Israeli murderous solution has been seen by us all.

"Here is a copy of the plans for Auschwitz-Birkenau, where one million Jews were murdered. Is this too a lie?" asks the Israeli PM.

Whether it was one or four millions Jews who died in Auschwitz, no one doubts that the camp was a horrible place. Yet, two questions must be answered once and for all: how is it that the Jews, who suffered so much during that war, managed to get themselves involved in a colossal racist crime against the Palestinians (1948 Nakba) just three years after the liberation of Auschwitz? How is it that the Israeli leadership, that happens to be so sensitive to Jewish suffering, manages to neglect the pain they inflict on millions of Palestinians?

  • Supremacy and beyond

As a National movement, Zionism fails to respect other national and popular movements. Seemingly Netanyahu fails to respect the Iranian people and their regime. "Wherever they can, they impose a backward regimented society where women, minorities, gays or anyone not deemed to be a true believer is brutally subjugated." Netanyahu must know that the Judaic law is not very different from Islam on these matters. He must also remember that it is in his country that gays were murdered in the street just a month ago. It is almost amusing that Netanyahu chooses to equate Iran with Barbarism and the Middle Ages for its treatment of minorities. As far as minorities are concerned, the Jewish state is actually the darkest place on this planet. In Netanyahu's promised land half of the population cannot participate in the democratic game just for failing to be Jewish.

Israel according to Netanyahu is the embodiment of Western modernity.

"We will crack the genetic code. We will cure the incurable. We will lengthen our lives. We will find a cheap alternative to fossil fuels and clean up the planet. I am proud that my country Israel is at the forefront of these advances."

I must admit that I am not at all overwhelmed by Israeli scientific or technological achievements. Nor have I ever seen any evidence of Israeli attempts to save humanity or even the planet. In fact all I see is quite the opposite. However, if Netanyahu welcomes scientific progress, he should be the first to rally for the Iranian nuclear project. As we all know, this doesn't seem to be the case. He, for some reason, thinks that, at least regionally, nuclear energy and weapons must remain Jews-only property in the region.

Netanyahu argues that "if the most primitive fanaticism can acquire the most deadly weapons, the march of history could be reversed for a time." Netanyahu may well be correct but one should point out to him that the above applies to Israel more than any other country, state or society. For the time being it is the Jewish State that has been caught pouring WMD on its imprisoned civilian population. It is the Jewish State that is dragging us all into an 'eye for an eye' primitive Biblical fanaticism. As if this is not enough, it is also America and Britain that launched illegal wars orchestrated by Zionist led Neocons and fundraisers. This war has cost more than one million lives so far.

However, for once I agree with Netanyhau:

"The greatest threat facing the world today", he says, "is the marriage between religious fanaticism and the weapons of mass destruction."

In fact, no one could describe the danger posed by the Jewish state and Zionism any better. Israel is indeed a deadly marriage between Old Testament gross genocidal barbarism, Zionist fanaticism and a huge arsenal of WMD, chemical, biological and nuclear that has already been partially put into action.

  • Sabbath Goyim

Like other Zionist operations around the world, Netanyahu is convinced that the Goyim should fight the Jewish wars. "Above all, will the international community stop the terrorist regime of Iran from developing atomic weapons, thereby endangering the peace of the entire world?" I actually would like to stress that PM Netanyahu is all wrong here. If the United Nation is interested in bringing peace to this region and the world, it is of the essence to help Iran to develop its nuclear project and even its military capacity. It will surely stop the Zionists from celebrating their symptoms at the expense of their neighbours.

Following the successful transformation of the American and British armies into an Israeli subservient mission force, Netanyahu seems to expect the UN to follow and to fulfil the very same role. "Hamas", he says, "fired from Gaza thousands of missiles, mortars and rockets on nearby Israeli cities. Year after year, as these missiles were deliberately hurled at our civilians, not a single UN resolution was passed condemning those criminal attacks." I guess that someone should remind the Israeli PM that the dispute between Hamas and Israel is not exactly an international quarrel, for Palestine is not a sovereign state and Gaza is nothing less than an Israeli-run concentration camp. In other words, the practicality of the matter is simple. The UN should only deal with war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel, its leadership and its army. It is not down to the UN to pass any kind of judgment on the oppressed.

  • Bibi the peace maker *

By now, the Israeli PM is ready to state his Judeo centric peace mantra. "Ladies and Gentlemen, all of Israel wants peace". Yet as far as statistics are concerned, we have recently learned that 94% of the Israeli Jews also approved the carpet bombardment of their next door neighbours. It is impossible not to see a clear discrepancy between the 'peace loving' verbalism and the murderous reality.

* Netanyahu's nickname is Bibi

Khazarian united

To a certain extent, Netanyahu's UN speech expresses some deep concerns Jews tend to keep to themselves. At the end of the day, the Israelis and Ashkenazi Israelis in particular know pretty well that Palestine is not exactly the land of their ancestors. If the Israeli Ashkenazi Jews, including Netanyahu, do want to find their roots, Khazaria is the place to start. However, Netanyahu tries to defuse these historical facts. "The Jewish people are not foreign conquerors in the Land of Israel. This is the land of our forefathers… We are not strangers to this land. It is our homeland" says Netanyahu with total conviction.

PM Netanyahu, I will make it plain and clear. Not only are you foreign to the land, you are also foreign to almost every possible understanding of the notion of humanity. In fact, the Separation Wall that is going to be left after the inevitable disappearance of your 'Jews-only democracy' will serve generations to come with an astonishing historical monument of Israeli national identity estranged from ethics, universalism and human brotherhood. The crime against humanity committed by the Jewish state in the name of the Jewish people is not something that will be wiped out from the history text books in a short time. Quite the opposite; it will stand as another mythological chapter in this never-ending saga of supremacist compulsive pathological self-loving.

"We must have security" says Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu as he ends his speech. And I am here to disappoint him. Israel will never be secured. At the end of the day Jewish Nationalism both left, right and centre was there to keep Jews apart. The history of the 20th century teaches us that this tendency to segregate oneself is bad for humanity and it is also devastating for the Jews.

-- Gilad Atzmon (gilad.co.uk) is an Israeli-born writer and jazz musician living in London. He had previously served in the Israeli military but he is currently an anti-racism campaigner. His latest CD is In Loving Memory of America.

Link:

http://kanan48.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/pm-netanyahus-un-speech-the-pathology-of-evil-by-gilad-atzmon/

 

(AFP) A left-wing activist protests the construction of settlements in the West Bank in Tel Aviv on June 14.
Waltz with Bibi
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Re: [chottala.com] Mr. Syed Islam, Think Global, Act Locally !!!!!!!.



Mr. Syed Islam

"In any process, social-political or natural world, if you

want a change the whole, you have to start from the

parts that makes the whole."

It is not incorrect. Your thought is correct "Think Global, Act locally". I don't know where are you living now what's your present nationality. If you are living in Bangladesh it is well known to you what the actual social-political situation in Bangladesh.  Do you find in Bangladesh any self depended political leader or political party without the support in the fields of ideological socio-political & economical fields from out side for thinking locally for doing work locally being independent to the interest for the people of Bangladesh? Are the political leaders locally insentient? Are not the people divided by political leaders & political party with the ijisam & so called ideology which has out side or Global relation?

 

Is it not true?

If it is true

How can you Act locally?

Before starting locally you need preparation to get understanding & acting skilled man power who can do work with own ideology being self depended to thinking for making own policy & on working according to own policy in the field of social political & economical fields under the leadership possessing the quality of ideological principle feeling in own nationalism, socialism, humanitarism for the people of Bangladesh.

Bangladesh is a thickly populated & the world poorest country. The political leaders of Bangladesh are not able to face the people's problems are not able to solve the problems of Bangladesh.

As because the leaders of Bangladesh are not well quality knowledge educated to be efficient for making policy & guide lines rule the country & to lead the people, The people of Bangladesh are not skilled educated due to there is no any lawful good administration & there is no any good knowledge education system in Bangladesh for learning for knowing what needs to learn what needs to do for being skilled work persons to perform their work duty..

So Bangladesh  is now required to introduce nation wide a system of quality knowledge education to provide all category people for making them in their work fields as quality work persons such as quality knowledge educated politicians quality knowledge educated good administrators quality knowledge educated good teachers  good lawyers & quality knowledge work persons.
Such as quality knowledge education of

1)       Moral education for making honest personal life for honest conjugal life & for good family

2)       For building social  & economical development education are needed of

3)       Education of technical & moderns science education

4)       Education of agriculture fishing wood cutting & trees planting

5)       Education of mechanics maintenance works house making road making ship boat making transport making cal bill river digging. & constructing

6)       Education of cooking  house hold working business & other home industry

7)       Education of poultry cow & other animals

8)       Education of road code traffic rules & transport systems & cleaning

9)       Education for knowing  & utilizing the resources available in Bangladesh

10)   Education of health hygienic & sanitation

11)   Social education of child disable & helpless people caring

12)   Knowledge education for creating the leaders teachers administrators lawyers & other leading people people who can make environment good politic good policy & good guide lines to rule the country & to guide the people efficiently.

 


--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Dina Khan, Think Global, Act Locally !!!!!!!.
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 11:36 PM

 
 
Ms. Dina Khan
 
In any process, social-political or natural world, if you
want a change the whole, you have to start from the
parts that makes the whole.
 
The bottom-up approach works much better than Top-down
approach ...
 
We need to clean our house first before we criticise others
for their dirts.
 
We should not try to hide our "garbages" on verious pretexts.
We can't justify our wrong doings, communalism,  and evils
within us through innuendoes because some evil exists
somewhere else.
 
We can always think globally [whole], but we always have to
work locally  first in our own home turf.:
 
Bangladesh should set an example by creating a truly
non-communal society [justice of law for humanity & human
right to all people not being communal minded ,
in your language] where there is no second class citizen.
  ...
 
Syed Aslam
 
  
On 10/3/09, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 Mr Syed Aslam ...
If you want real charity it needs to think as a whole.
 
It is better try to understand
What the actual reasons behind that for are happening such types of tragedy in India Bashkali & other places?
If you want real charity it needs to think as a whole.
It is also better to ask them & advise them who are thinking themselves as political leaders as political activists as media activists as human right activists as social workers as author & as news writers of news pagers & for media editors of news papers to be free minded honest thoughtful persons for thinking neutrally all people as human being one nation to write & to speak for all to establishing good administration under the system of lawful democracy at  justice of law for humanity & human right to all people not being communal minded  not creating communal feeling not creating classification among the people being selfish for earning something  .
--- On Wed, 30/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From:Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Ms Dina Khan, Portraying Bashkali Tragedy as mere "Ddacoity" is still questionable !
To: chottala@yahoogroup s.com
Received: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 8:08 PM

 
Portraying Bashkali Tragedy as mere "Ddacoity" is still questionable !
 
 
Ms Dina Khan  
 
You diverting from the issue under discussion [your business as usual]
The topic was the ramnants of communalism that exist even today in
various pockets of Bangladesh, where minorities "soft targets" .
The communalism in India or other countries are beyond the scope
of current discussion.
 
Your comment about Islam as a religion is well understood.
But, question is how come Bangladesh being a land of the Musulmans,
all kinds of criminal activities and law & order problems premeates the
country?
 
Islamic sounding rethorics and "superiority" of Islam do not prevent the
criminals to continue with their henious activities in our Bangladesh.. ...
 
You have been wrongly accusing Mr. Shymal Datta on issues in
India. The meeting under discussion was arrainged by DORP 
not by Mr. Shymal Datta. Many others including the Deputy Speaker
of Bangladesh Parliament, Mr. Shawkat Ali, emphasized that
proclaiming a particular religion as the State Religion undermines
other religions in the country
Mr. Shayamol Dutta mentioned that in 1947-division was  based
on communalism ....that communalism created divisions among the
people, the minorities (religious) have become aliens in their own land
......the ramnants of communalism still exist ....
 
The puputrators of the criminals behind Banshkhali Taagedy, the so-called
docoits, are not punished because of heavy handedness by some politically
connected people. To many reputed commentator "the reason put forward
for Banskhali  massacre as something related to dacoity is far from
convincing. "
According to the lone surviving member  of the victim-family Bimol Sheel,
the criminals are now roaming freely & openly ...
 
There should be no denying of the reality that although Bangladesh
is a "moderate muslim country" communalism in various pockets
in the country still exists where hindus are soft targets of the criminals.
 
Even Madam Khaleda Zia just yesterday in her speech at Sirajgong,
mentioned that
"the AL is frequently speaking about secularism "but the party men
are grabbing property, houses and lands of Hindu community and
unleashed repression on them."
 
This indicates that ramnants of communalism do exist accross party
lines in our country and Mr. Shymal Datta's and other speakers'
concerns at the DORP seminar are genuine.
 
For sure, the communal violences in India or any other country must
be condemned, but that should be done in a different thread, not
while discussing Banshkhali Tragedy or any other communal
incidents at home. No matter how small it is, communalism at
home can not justified by any  pretext, whatsoever. The
communal attitude of all sorts at home must be totally
abhorred and condemned, not condoned.
 
Just like charity, the total eradication of communal attitude
should also start at home. We should not try to put our "dirts"
under the rugs .....As a nation we must establish "Zero Tolerance"
on all sorts of communalism: hidden or open.
 
PS: Bringing Norendra Modi and Guzrat riots & communal trends in India
while discussing the conference arranged by DORP is out and out an
outcome of communal attitude.. Mr. Shymal Datta may be right,
Mr. Shymal Datta may be wrong ... but neither himself nor the Hindus
in Bangladesh bear any responsibility for communal violences in
India [East Punjab Kashmir Gujrat Assam etc].
 
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
 
On 9/28/09, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Aslam,
 
Islam does not create communal feeling. Islam does not create any feeling to hate any body. Islam does not create any classification among the people as upper class or as lower class people. Islam is for justice of humanity & human right considering all human being as one human nation under the umbrella of loving peaceful family. Islam teaches the people to build successful personal life for loving married couple for building happy loving peaceful family which can help for building secure society for peaceful  nation & peaceful world.  Islam is religion for loving people for helping people not for burning people or not looting other's property not for doing any injustice to any body.
 
Bangladeshi lower class Hindus (Upper Class gone India) are not insecure in Bangladesh. Causes Bangladeshi Muslims are not communal minded at all. Causes Islam does not allow it. But Indian upper class Hindus are very sensitive minded & communal. Indian Muslims along other minority community & lower class Hindus are not secure in India
When Bangladeshi (lower) Hindus raise any question against the Muslim community in Bangladesh they should remember that they are better secured in Bangladesh than Indian Muslims & lower class Hindus. They should ask the Indian Government administration for taking lawful legal action against the communal activities done by upper class Hindu activists against the minority people in India & unlawfully killing & burning Muslims people in Kashmir Gujarat Assam & other places in India. Indian politician's policy is mainly responsible for. Creating riot & killing people in India & later Bangladesh.
Mr. Shymal Datta as an editor of Bhorer Khagag neutrally can write in the editorial Coolum for establishing humanity & human right in India considering the people as human nation not considering the people as minority or lower or upper caste people.
The reason of all problems is that there is no lawful good administration  at any where in Bangladesh India & Pakistan to establishing justice for humanity & human right under the system of lawful democracy. 
At some part of India such as East Punjab Kashmir Gujrat Assam & other places are being ruled by army controlled & army helped administration under system of so called democracy... In Pakistan it is seen that there all administrations are under Army control.
In Bangladesh it is better known to you than me, so 
How can you hope punishment to any Dacoit?
After 1/11
How many dacoits & chandabaj were arrested? Did you not read the news during the CTG Administration in Bangladesh
Are they not released with out punishment?  
Is it called lawful Administration or Justice of Democracy in Bangladesh?
Did you not read the speech of Mr. Jalil the EX GS & present Advisor of BAL?
Can you tell that Bangladesh is being ruled under lawful administration for establishing justice for humanity & human right?
What situations in India & Pakistan are?
Are the media people in Bangladesh or in India or in Pakistan writing or speaking any against inhuman activities without being communal to establishing humanity & human right for justice of law or for lawful democracy?
To solve of all problems
i)                     People specially the political leaders & the administrators in administrations are needed to be quality educated persons in learning to know what the real problems of the people & to learn how can be solved their problems by establishing lawful justice under lawful Administration for justice & do  
ii)                   Media people can be honest sincere in circulating correct news without creating any problem news by creating false news or by creating communal feeling & situations.
iii)                  The lawful system of lawful democracy can create lawful honest politicians & lawful media
iv)                  The lawful politicians can establish lawful administration for ruling the country in lawfully in doing trial against all criminal activities to establish social justice.
v)                    It needs for the leaders of the country to think positively for creating educated quality people nation wide quality education are needed to provide to all category people at least minimum standard for educating them as quality understanding persons for building quality nation.
The administration leaded by dacoit administrators under the dacoit politicians can never be done lawful trial against any dacoit for justice & quality educated people not also be created.
  --- On Fri, 25/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Attention Ms Dina Khan, if Bashkali Tragedy was dacoity, why the criminals are not punished yet ?
To: chottala@yahoogroup s.com
Received: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 8:50 AM

 
If  Bashkali Tragedy was dacoity, why the criminals are not punished yet ?
Is there a cover-up by some powerful people?
 
WRT:
 
Ms Dina Khan
 
What are you talking about .......?
 
Do you still have questions in your mind that Hindus in
Bangladesh are a minority religious group?
 
Is not Islam a distinctly different religion than that of
Hinduism?
 
Have a reality check ....
 
Today's Bangladesh has a constitutionally declared
State Religion which is Islam...As such, the Hindus may be
deemed as second class citizens, according to many ...
Just because there is no seperate electorate for the Hindus
and the Muslims both in India and in Bangladesh does not
mean that communalism and persecution of religious
minorities is totally absent.
 
The communalism thrieves on social backwardness, fanaticism,
and narrow vested secterian interest, sometimes political
interest.
 
Please read the news item on the seminar organized
by DORP again:
before you continue to give further twist on the issue under discussion.
 
My point was "Mr. Siraj uddowllah brought Gujrat Incident out of context
which definitely had a communal undertone.
 
On the Bashkhali Tragedy your mentor Mr. Siraj uddowllah has every
right to pass his opinion & present his points of views "as a human right activist"
However, the seminar in question presented a different perspective.
It was organized by Developmental Organization of the Rural Poor [DORP].
The Deputy Speaker of Bangladesh Parliament, Mr. Shawkat Ali,
emphasized that proclaiming a particular religion as the State Religion
undermines other religions in the country.
 
According to the news item, Mr. Shayamol Dutta was only a key note speaker,
who mentioned that in 1947-division was  based on communalism ....that
communalism created divisions among the people, the minorities (religious)
have become aliens in their own land ......the ramnants of communalism still
exist ....
 
The other speakers also expressed their concerns on the disturbance
of communal harmony in our country.
 
 As we all know, the culprits of the Bashkhali killings has not
yet been punished. According to the lone surviving member  of the
victim-family Bimol Sheel, the criminals are now roaming freely ...
 
Is there a cover-up attempt to hide the crime? Why?
 
If  Bashkali Tragedy was a dacoity case, why the criminals are not
punished yet ? Is  there some "powerful people"  behind the docoity?
Should not these criminals be given examplary punishment for
burning 11 people to death? Six years have already passed.....
 
I still wonder why Mr. Shayamol Dutta is being singled out by yourself
[Ms Dina Khan] and  Mr. Siraj uddowllah for arranging the conference,
although the conference was arranged by an organization called Developmental
Organization of the Rural Poor [DORP].
 
Again, Ms Dina Khan you are  saying:
"Mr Aslam  Are you acting for cmmunal Raw? "
Can you explain you statement and tell us how do relate
your hypothesis with the issue under discussion.
Is that the only "LOGIC" you have?
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 9/24/09, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Attention Mr. Syed Aslam
You are forgetting the root of the point.
Why the Hindus are being called the minority people in Bangladesh??
Is not Bangladesh a country of secular democracy?
 Are the Hindus in Bangladesh casting their votes separately as minority people?
& Have they separate administration in Bangladesh as minority??
Why the Muslims in India are being called the minority people in India?
Is not India a democratic Secular country??
Are the Muslims in India casting their votes separately as minority people? & Have they separate administration In India as Muslims are minority people??
Answer is. < NO>
 
Why did Mr. Symol Dutta being an editor of a news paper & others being as human right activists call a round table conference in the name of minority community insecure in Bangladesh? 
Are they not creating communal feeling & communal situation by holding such of talking & meeting or conference ?   
It was better for ( them ) the editors of news (NEWS means News of north east west south) papers & for the so called human right activists to think for dicussing as a whole  what are the reasons what are the back ground behind that for happening such type accidents at any where in Bangladesh & at other part of the world including India.
But they had done it as communal activists not as an editor or as human right activists
Mr. Dowlla has passed his opinion as a human right activist not creating communal feeling.
 Mr Aslam
Are you acting for cmmunal Raw?
 
-- On Thu, 24/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] A family of Hindus in Bashkali were the victims of dacoity and not a reparcation of Guzrat incidents.
To: chottala@yahoogroup s.com

Received: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 1:31 AM

 
 
Dear All
 
Mr. Siraj uddowllah brought Gujrat Incident out of context in his original
blamed Mr. Shayamol Dutta for not arranging a conference on Guzrat
when there was a massacre of Muslims.
 
Mr. Siraj uddowlah went further to request the Bhorer Kagoj
owner Mr. Saber H. Chowdhuri to take action this one eyed
 hindu editor   . {anything personal ????? ]
 
Now, Mr. uddowllah is changing his stance.....: ::
He mentions that Bashkhali horror was  a case of docoity.
 
The tragic Bashkhali incident could be very well be the acts
of some miscreants who are docoits..... .
Mr. uddowllah should have mentioned that in the first place instead
of bringing Norendra Modi and Guzrat riots while discussing the
conference arranged by DORP.
 
Now, in his present post Mr. Siraj uddowllah says " A family of Hindus in
Bashkali were the victims of dacoity and not a reparcation of
Guzrat incidents."
 
Many people have indicated the incident as communal matter, which
may be  debatable, but I have not seen anyone calling the Bashkhali
tragedy a "reparcation of Guzrat incident ".
 
Can Mr. Siraj uddowllah point out where did someone has called the
Bashkhali Tragedy as the repurcation of Guzrat incident?
As far as I have seen Mr. Siraj uddowllah is the only person who brought
Guzrat massacre while talking about Bashkhali incident ...
 
I only objected to his bringing up the  issue of Gujrat Riots while
discussing an tragic incident at home. Mr. Siraj uddowllah's accusation
in chottala message # 10390  is misleading and totally unfounded.
There is no mix up in my position.... we should not just bring incidents
in India or any other country, out of context explicitly or implicitly, while
discussing a tragic incident in Bangladesh.
 
 
Mr. Siraj uddowllah is at liberty to discuss & condemn
Norendro Modi's crimes and Massacre of Muslims in a different
thread .... But, blaming Mr. Shayamol Dutta for not holding a
conference on Gujrat riot has definitely given his post a vivid
communal.undertone  ....... there  is an attitude problem that
thrieves on innuendoes .... 
 
There is no denying of the fact that there are many "pockets" in
Bangladesh where minorities, including the Hindus are soft targets
of the criminals, docoits and the land grabbers ......
 
Thanks for everyone's patience.
 
Syed Aslam
On 9/17/09, siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@hotmail. com> wrote:
Dear chottala readers,
 I also wonder why Mr. Syed Aslam is trying to mix up the case of dacoity incidents with that of communal riots of Guzrat and twisting up the issue towards the communal side. There is no doubt the Bashkali incident was really an inhuman tragedy caused by some dacoits unluckily it was with the Hindu family which may be with the Muslim family also to loot money, ornaments and many other valuable articles according to their suitability and opportunity,  and if given any obstacles the nature of these inhuman dacoits to kill them also. There is no resemblance of this dacoity case and also not any reparcation of the communal incidents caused by the fanatic Hindus instigated by a so called well known top political leader of Guzrat happened to be a chief Minister of that particular area named Norendra Singh Modi doing all sorts of rampage, mass killing, looting the Muslim shop intentionally and causing killing of about hundreds or more Muslims by burning them alive mentioning to teach the Muslims how to burn according to the way of Hindu rituals. Not only that those notorious fanatic people tearing and burning our Holy Quran which we used to touch with respect

The dacoits of Bashkali incidents if recognized and caught would definitely be punished by hanging them by our court of justice for committing such a heinous crime like killing some people of an innocent family even not required to arrange a round table conference also. Mr. Aslam has shown so many links and documents of  some commission made by the Indian high court but what happened for those known culprit especially for Norendra Singh Modi who was the root of all these incidents. He is freely moving in the common public place without any punishment given to him by the Indian high court yet. Because of his misdeeds he did in Guzrat he was refused to give any visa to U.S.A. even.  

Yes I quite agree what Mr. Syed Aslam says people of Bangladesh have every rights to discuss the issues of communal harmony at home, especially towards the minorities if they feel insecure and threatened due to sporadic incidents of intentional communal disharmony. The minorities should have enough assurance and guarantee that such incidents would not be repeated elsewhere in the country. But here in this case of dacoity why to get the smell of communal disharmony as our country not like that of India is well known  as an internationally recognised moderate Muslim country. Actually how much it is wise to mix up the dacoity incidents with the communal case of Guzrat. Can anybody suggest how to stop the dacoity case if it happened again and again suddenly in any place at any time. Is there any benefit of arranging such a round table conference by giving it a shape of a communal case as this was tried by the Editor of Bhorer Kagoz. Because this was not the case of communal disharmony and intolerance towards religious minorities.

Dowllah. 

The following posting by Syed Aslam on 16.9.2009: 
Hindus in Bangladesh do not bear any responsibility for the Gujrat riots......
Why blame them ?
 
 
 
Dear All
 
Like charity communal harmony should also  begin at home:
 
People of Bangladesh have rights to discuss the issues of communal
harmony at home, especially the minorities if they feel insecure and
threatened due to sporadic incidents. The minorities should have
enough assurance and gurranttee that such incidents would not be
repeated elsehere in the country.
 
Hindus in Bangladesh do not bear any responsibility
for the Gujrat riots and should not be blamed as such. The Gujrat riot
has been brought out of context while discussing Bashkhali tragedy.
And BTW, Development Orgnasination of the Rural Poor (DORP),
a non-government organization, arranged the seminar titled 'National
Seminar on Social Harmony and Rights- Banshkhali Tragedy' at
the National Press Club. 
 
Blaming Bangladeshi hindus in general or  Bhorer Kagoj editor
Mr. Shayamal  Dutta in particular, for not "arranging a round table
conference"  for incidents elsewhere [Gujrat riot] is essentially 
exhibits religious prejudice & intolerance through hidden aspersions
and innuendoes, and may lean towards communal provocation at
it's worst.
 
I wonder why Mr. Dowllah is mixing up issues?
 
The People of Bangladesh has maintained a very high degree of
communal harmony and tolerance towards religious minorities,
in general.  However, there are small pockets where  incidents of
violences against hindus (or other minorities) has occured
instgated by a narrow coterie of vested interest.
 
The Bashkhali incident  was one such tragedy.
Our nation should not condone any of such incidents under any
pretext whatsoever. Also, we should not put our dirts under the
rugs ..... We should maintain a  zero tolerance policy on all
sort of sectarianism and communalism in our country.
All sorts of communal violence and attrocities should be
exposed, condemned & punished.
 
Communal violences & attrocities in Gujrat on anywhere
in India or China can not justiy the same in Bangladesh.
FYI, Norendra Modi and his BJP cum Sangha Paribar &
Bojrong Dol  goons have been condenmed by the sane
voices in India and all over the world.
 
Norendra Modi has been barred fron entering USA several times
for his role in Gujrat  riots. Various Human Rights organisations in
India and USA have not only condemned but fighting for justice &
punishment of the real purputrators of 2002 Gujrat massacre of the
Muslims. The Human Rights organisations also played a  major role
in revoking Norendra Modi's US visa in 2008 and in his previous
attempt to visit USA.
 
Relared:
Special courts for Gujarat riots - BBC News:
'Gujarat riots had State support':
 

Syed Aslam
FW: [chottala.com] ˜State religion undermines others: Deputy speaker

Dear all chottala readers,

Mr. Shayamal Dutta editor of "Dainik Bhorer Kagoz" arranged a rounnd table conference regarding Bashkali incidents but why he did not arrange such type of conferences when thousands of Muslims were massacred and burned alive in Guzrat by a fanatic hindu chief Minister Norendra Singh Modi. The Bashkali hindu families were human being and Guzrat Muslims were not human? Mr. Shaymal Dutta is taking the full advantage of his being a hindu editor of a newspaper like "Bhorer Kagoz" to arrange such a conference about incidents of a hindu family in Bashkali. Being a responsible editor of a renowned newspaper like Bhorer Kagoz he should be above all sorts of religious prejudice. Mr. Saber Hossain Chowdhury owner of "Bhorer Kagoz" is requested to take action against this one eyed editor of highly reputed newspaper, being involved in trying to create a communal feeling of a peace loving peoples of secular Bangladesh

 
Dowllah.  
 
 

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[chottala.com] Eight Years On in Afghanistan, Can the U.S. Still Win?



Eight Years On in Afghanistan, Can the U.S. Still Win?

U.S. Marines conduct an operation to clear a village of Taliban fighters in Mian Poshteh, Afghanistan
U.S. Marines conduct an operation to clear a village of Taliban fighters in Mian Poshteh, Afghanistan
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President George W. Bush, eight years ago today, in his first press conference after launching the Afghan war, conceded he didn't know when the conflict would end. "People often ask me, 'How long will this last?' " he said 96 hours after the invasion began. "It may happen tomorrow, it may happen a month from now, it may take a year or two, but we will prevail." Three weeks into the war, New York Times reporter R.W. Apple wrote that "the ominous word quagmire has begun to haunt conversations" in Washington about the conflict. Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld had little time for such grousing. "I must say that I hear some impatience from the people who have to produce news every 15 minutes," he said as the first month's fighting neared its end, "but not from the American people." (See TIME's audio slideshow "The War in Afghanistan Up Close.")

Bush is no longer President, Rumsfeld no longer Defense Secretary; R.W. "Johnny" Apple is dead, and so are nearly 900 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan — 239 of them this year alone. And most Americans have run out of patience with the war, modestly begun eight years ago to overthrow the Taliban regime that had harbored Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda before 9/11. That goal seemed to have been achieved seven years and 11 months ago, when the Taliban were driven from Kabul. But the U.S. and its allies have waged an inconclusive war against the Taliban and their al-Qaeda allies ever since. President Barack Obama is being asked by his generals to commit more troops to Afghanistan at a moment when fewer than 1 in 3 Americans supports that option. (See pictures of U.S. Marines at war in Afghanistan's Kunar province.)

Afghanistan is Obama's war now, so branded after he approved dispatching 21,000 more U.S. troops into battle earlier this year, a move that will raise the U.S. troop level there to 68,000 next month. He also tapped Army general Stan McChrystal as his new Afghan commander to develop a new strategy to win the war. But McChrystal found the security situation there in a dangerous decline, and says he needs 40,000 additional U.S. troops to have the best chance of turning things around. Obama's inner circle is having doubts over whether the President should approve that request.

Obama will meet behind closed doors for three hours with his Afghan-war advisers on Wednesday. They held a similar session last Friday, and have scheduled a third one for Friday. "My assessment, having been a participant in this, has been that we've had ample opportunity to provide our best professional military advice," Army general David Petraeus, chief of the U.S. Central Command overseeing the Afghan war, told an Army audience Tuesday. "General McChrystal has been participating in these by video teleconference." Afghanistan, he added, "requires a sustained substantial commitment." But, perhaps more politically astute than McChrystal — who called publicly for reinforcements in Afghanistan Oct. 1 — Petraeus quickly added, "I'm not going to get into whether that means more or less or, you know, what number of forces, enablers, trainers and civilians." (Read "Two Arguments for What to Do in Afghanistan.")

President Bush faced a similar conundrum in Iraq two years ago. In the face of strong doubts from Congress and the U.S. military, he ordered a "surge" of nearly 30,000 more troops in and around Baghdad, and their deployment helped calm the country. But there were a couple of differences: first of all, Iraq was Bush's war and he was in danger of losing it. Perhaps more importantly, Bush was nearing the end of his second term, meaning — electorally, at least — he had nothing to lose by upping the ante.

Obama is in the first year of his first term, and will almost certainly run again in 2012. If Afghanistan is the same sucking chest wound that it is today three years from now, voters are unlikely to grant that wish. But he wouldn't want to face an electorate that had been persuaded that he had "lost Afghanistan." So, amid all the cacophony of conflicting advice about what to do in Afghanistan, Obama's going to have to make this decision all by himself.

It's really pretty simple: if he believes McChrystal can turn things around by getting all the troops he seeks, Obama will agree (most likely minus a small Commander in Chief tax to show who's really in charge). But if McChrystal can't promise something resembling success by 2012, look for Obama to shift to a more modest strategy, with more modest goals, and paint it as realism rather than retreat.

See pictures of a photographer's personal journey through war.

See pictures of Afghanistan's TV election.

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