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Saturday, April 28, 2012

Re: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?



When you bring SINGAPORE up..Intersting issue I suggest you find a copy of ABC's 20/20 Heraldo left...I think it was ROGER STRAUSSEL or so who narated and compared COMMUNIST WEST BENGAL to SINGAPORE...I think SINGAPORE does have electoral system but as far as I could tell things were as AUTHORATITIVE as One Party System..even at that now a days SINGAPORE buys AIRBUS and so..and some of CHINESE CHINESE BHAI BHAI has taken control..
 
You may question AUTHORATARIAN RULE...they even have it in USA...you have to be here to know in some way it is abit more crooked JUDICIARY is heavilly biased occasionally and Money plays a big role..Ordinary crimes ingnored other places such as traffic tickets you can end up in hugh mess..

From: "turkman@sbcglobal.net" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] Should Singapore Model be adopted?

 
Well, so what I hear is, we do not understand Democracy and Sh. Mujib was right because he had wanted to declare the country Communist. May be we should move to Singapore Model of one Party Government then. In Singapore, people are just like Bengalis but Political System is Communist. Social System is similar to Western Europe's Welfare State System and Economy is free the way Foreign Capitalists want but no avoiding Taxes by them.
In Singapore Economy is free, not Freedom of Speech. Capitalism rules but under Socialist Tax System.
Singapore System is so Anti Rich, when cars were $ 8,000 in USA, they used to cost $ 78,000 in Singapore but then, now Singapore's Standard of Living is similar to rich EU Countries and Per Capita Income is not much lower than any rich EU Country at $ 36,000, while BD Per Capita still not even $ 1000. What would you like better?
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--- In chottala@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...> wrote:
>
> ┬а
> First
> of all you all need to learn to know
> ┬аYou need to
> understand what types of politicians in Bangladesh are
> i)┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а What
> does mean democracy?
> ii)┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а Whether
> they know or not?
> iii)┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а Isdemocracy lawful system or free style system democracy?
> If democracy is followed system of law under lawful
> constitution then politicians are needed to be honest lawful politicians to follow
> the system of law under lawful honest discipline administration.
> If democracy is followed free style system then politicians do not
> require following any constitutional rules of law then politicians can do any thing
> what they like to do and can say any word what politicians wish to say.
> ┬аNow can you explain what type of politicians in Bangladesh are?
>
> ┬а
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 5:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Democratic Rights & Democracy
>
>
> ┬а
> Mr. Turkman,
> ┬а
> Did you know how Hasina behaved while she was in opposition ?
> Did she followed the rule of Democracy?
> Why just blaming current opposition?
> Who called most hortals in Bangladesh's historuy?
> Who called to attack her folwers with Logi Beitha as wellas killed several opponents of her party ?
> Donot compare the rules of democratic behavior of the western nation, we live in Bangladesh and our Democracy
> is still infant, it needs maturity. Probably we┬аmay not ┬аsee real democracy in Bangladesh as long as arrogant
> Dictator Hasina is alive and active in politics. We have to wait until she leaves politics in Bangladesh by the democracy loving
> people of Bangladesh.
> Sooner that happens is good for democracy in bangladesh.
> Bangladesh currently running one woman show under Hasina misrule in the name of so called
> Democratic rule. Nation is unfortunate to have a leader like Hasina.
> Definiterly Hasina's bad days are comig like Joar Bhata. This Joar will end soon like all dictators.
> ┬а
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
> To: mohiuddin@...
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> Subject: [chottala.com] Democratic Rights & Democracy
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> ┬а
> Peaceful Demonstrations are a part of 'Democracy' but used by Criminals to 'overthrow' a 'Democratically Elected Government', they are 'Treason'. There are Rules that Demonstrators have to follow.
> .
> 1.┬а In Western Democracies, you need a Permit to demonstrate. Do Demonstrators apply for a Permit, mentioning day, time and announce their Route ahead of time in B.D.?
> 2. Even Demonstrators with Permit, if not following the guidelines or vandalizing or looting face Police force in all Western Democracies so, what's new in B.D. and what's wrong with Police that faces unruly crazy Demonstrations?
> 3, Purpose of Demonstrations in the West is not outright overthrow of Elected Government in a Democracy and Mob Raj that B.D. Demonstrators want. In the West they want new Elections to change, what they do not like, not overthrow of Government through Army, like Demonstrators in B.D. want.
> .
> Opposition Political Parties of B.D. should let the Elected Party finish its term but they have right to demonstrate peacefully propagating their cause instead of making their crazy poor or rented followers get beat up by Police and then trying to get Sympathy Votes in next Elections. Wrong use of Democratic Rights by Ruling Party or Opposition does not create a good Democracy. It creates a Mob Raj. ┬а
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@...>
>
>
>
> Mr. Turkman,
> How do you┬а┬аthink that all demionstrators in Bangladesh┬а are criminal ?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
>
>
>
> Oh sure because Police in USA run by an Anti USA Moslim Socialist according to some Americans has been 'suppressing' Criminals by arresting them using Weapons, those Criminals 'should have the same right to defend themselves. After all all lives are precious".
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@...>
>
>
> If RAW agents and Awami cadres take up arms to suppress opposition, opposition activists ┬аshould have the same right to defend themselves.After all all lives are precious.
> who wants to die without resisting ?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: nickson barua <shuprava@...>
>
>
> I am against "Goom" which┬аwas introduced through killing Bangabondhu. In the name of Iliyas┬аhow many death body you (BNP) need to create an issue against government??????????????
> One day you have to answer for it to the nation &┬аto those victim families. ┬а
>
> ┬а
> ________________________________
> From: mohiuddin@...
>
>
> ┬а
> Now That Awami Armed cadres joined the brutal Polie/RAB force, is it necessary for the people to┬аresist the brtual regime with all available means ?┬а
> The brutal Hasina regime killing opposition activists with all state power.
> How long opposition activists can resist the brutal government forces (actively joined by ruling party's armed cadres) peacefully ┬а?
> RAW agents ┬аmay have infiltrated the government forces.
> How much blood Hasina needs to stay in power ?
> ┬а
> ┬а
> ┬а
> рж╕рж┐рж▓рзЗржЯрзЗрж░ ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛ржерзЗ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐рждрзЗ ржирж┐рж╣ржд рзи
> ________________________________
>
> рж╕рж╛ржмрзНржмрж┐рж░ ржЖрж╣ржоржж, рж╕рзНржЯрж╛ржл ржХрж░рзЗрж╕ржкржирзНржбрзЗржирзНржЯ
> ржмрж╛ржВрж▓рж╛ржирж┐ржЙржЬржЯрзЛржпрж╝рзЗржирзНржЯрж┐ржлрзЛрж░.ржХржо
>
> ржЫржмрж┐: ржмрж╛ржВрж▓рж╛ржирж┐ржЙржЬржЯрзЛржпрж╝рзЗржирзНржЯрж┐ржлрзЛрж░.ржХржо
> ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛рже (рж╕рж┐рж▓рзЗржЯ) ржерзЗржХрзЗ: ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢-ржЬржирждрж╛ рж╕ржВржШрж░рзНрж╖рзЗрж░ ржкрж░ ржЗрж▓рж┐ржпрж╝рж╛рж╕ ржЖрж▓рзАрж░ ржЬржирзНржорж╕рзНржерж╛ржи рж╕рж┐рж▓рзЗржЯрзЗрж░ ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛рже ржмрж╛ржЬрж╛рж░рзЗрж░ ржХржпрж╝рзЗржХ ржмрж░рзНржЧ ржХрж┐рж▓рзЛржорж┐ржЯрж╛рж░ ржПрж▓рж╛ржХрж╛ржпрж╝ ржПржЦржи ржХрзЗржмрж▓ ржпрждрзНрж░рждрждрзНрж░ ржЫржбрж╝рж╛ржирзЛ ржЗржЯ-ржкрж╛ржЯржХрзЗрж▓, рж░рж╛рж╕рзНрждрж╛ржпрж╝ ржЖржЧрзБржирзЗрж░ ржЪрж┐рж╣рзНржиред ржЬржиржорж╛ржиржмрж╢рзВржирзНржп рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗ ржкржбрж╝рж╛ ржкрзБрж░рзЛ ржПрж▓рж╛ржХрж╛рждрзЗржЗ ржержоржержорзЗ ржкрж░рж┐рж╕рзНржерж┐рждрж┐ ржмрж┐рж░рж╛ржЬ ржХрж░ржЫрзЗред
> рж╕рзЛржпрж╝рж╛ ржжрзБтАЩржШржгрзНржЯрж╛ржмрзНржпрж╛ржкрзА ржП рж╕ржВржШрж░рзНрж╖рзЗ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐ржмрж┐ржжрзНржз рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗ ржоржирзЛржпрж╝рж╛рж░ рж╣рзЛрж╕рзЗржи (рзйрзй) ржирж╛ржорзЗ ржПржХ ржмрж┐ржПржиржкрж┐ рж╕ржорж░рзНржержХрж╕рж╣ ржжрзБтАЩржЬржирзЗрж░ ржорзГрждрзНржпрзБ рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗред ржирж┐рж╣ржд ржоржирзЛржпрж╝рж╛рж░ ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛ржерзЗрж░ рж▓рж╛ржЯржиржЧрж░ ржЧрзНрж░рж╛ржорзЗрж░ ржЖржмрзНржмрж╛рж╕ ржЖрж▓рзАрж░ ржЫрзЗрж▓рзЗред ржЕржкрж░ржЬржирзЗрж░ ржирж╛ржо рж"рж╕ржорж╛ржи ржЖрж▓рзАред
> рждржмрзЗ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐ ржЪрж╛рж▓рж╛ржирзЛрж░ ржЕржнрж┐ржпрзЛржЧ ржЕрж╕рзНржмрзАржХрж╛рж░ ржХрж░рзЗ ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢рзЗрж░ ржкржХрзНрж╖ ржерзЗржХрзЗ ржмрж▓рж╛ рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗ, ржмрж┐ржХрзНрж╖рзБржмрзНржз ржЬржирждрж╛ржХрзЗ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐ ржХрж░рж╛рж░ ржХрзЛржи ржирж┐рж░рзНржжрзЗрж╢ ржЫрж┐рж▓рзЛ ржирж╛ ржЬрзЗрж▓рж╛ ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢рзЗрж░ред ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢ ржХрзЗржмрж▓ ржЬржирждрж╛ржХрзЗ рж╕рж╛ржорж▓рж╛рждрзЗ ржЯрж┐ржпрж╝рж╛рж░рж╢рзЗрж▓ рж" ржлрж╛ржБржХрж╛ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐ ржЫрзБржБржбрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗ ржорж╛рждрзНрж░ред
> ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢рзЗрж░ ржП ржмржХрзНрждржмрзНржпрзЗрж░ ржкрж░ ржжрзЗрж╢рж┐ ржЕрж╕рзНрждрзНрж░ рж╣рж╛рждрзЗ ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢рзЗрж░ рж╕ржЩрзНржЧрзЗ ржЕрзНржпрж╛ржХрж╢ржирзЗ ржирж╛ржорж╛ ржЫрж╛рждрзНрж░рж▓рзАржЧ рж" ржпрзБржмрж▓рзАржЧ ржХрзНржпрж╛ржбрж╛рж░ржжрзЗрж░ ржЧрзБрж▓рж┐рждрзЗржЗ рждрж╛ржжрзЗрж░ ржорзГрждрзНржпрзБ рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗ ржмрж▓рзЗ ржзрж╛рж░ржгрж╛ ржХрж░рж╛ рж╣ржЪрзНржЫрзЗред
> ржЖржоржЬрж╛ржж ржЖрж▓рзА ржирж╛ржорзЗ ржПржХ ржкрзНрж░рждрзНржпржХрзНрж╖ржжрж░рзНрж╢рзА ржЬрж╛ржирж╛ржи, ржпрзБржмрж▓рзАржЧ рж" ржЫрж╛рждрзНрж░рж▓рзАржЧрзЗрж░ ржХрзНржпрж╛ржбрж╛рж░рж░рж╛ ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛рже ржмрж╛ржЬрж╛рж░ ржмрзНрж░рж┐ржЬрзЗрж░ ржХрж╛ржЫрзЗ ржкрзБрж▓рж┐рж╢ ржкрж░рж┐ржмрзЗрж╖рзНржЯрж┐ржд рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗ ржкрж┐ржЯрж┐ржпрж╝рзЗ рж" ржЪрж╛ржХрзБ ржжрж┐ржпрж╝рзЗ ржЦрзБржБржЪрж┐ржпрж╝рзЗ ржПржХржЬржиржХрзЗ рж╣рждрзНржпрж╛ ржХрж░рзЗред
> ржПржжрж┐ржХрзЗ ржЬржирждрж╛рж░ рж╣рж╛ржорж▓рж╛ржпрж╝ ржЧрзБрж░рзБрждрж░ ржЖрж╣ржд рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗ рж"рж╕ржорж╛ржирзА ржорзЗржбрж┐ржХрзНржпрж╛рж▓ ржХрж▓рзЗржЬ рж╣рж╛рж╕ржкрж╛рждрж╛рж▓рзЗ ржнрж░рзНрждрж┐ ржЖржЫрзЗржи ржмрж┐рж╢рзНржмржирж╛рже ржерж╛ржирж╛рж░ рж"рж╕рж┐ (рждржжржирзНржд) ржЪрж╛ржи ржорж┐ржпрж╝рж╛, ржХржирж╕рзНржЯрзЗржмрж▓ ржЬрж╛рж▓рж╛рж▓, рж╕рж╛ржзржи ржмрж░рзНржоржи рж" ржЖржмрзНржмрж╛рж╕, ржпрзБржмржжрж▓ ржХрж░рзНржорзА ржЖржмрзНржжрзБрж▓ рж╣рж╛ржирж┐ржл, ржмрж┐ржПржиржкрж┐ рж╕ржорж░рзНржержХ рж╢рж╛рж╣рзЗржи рж" ржЬрж╛ржХрж┐рж░ ржПржмржВ ржпрзБржмрж▓рзАржЧ ржХрж░рзНржорзА ржЖржЬрж┐рж░ рж╣рзЛрж╕рзЗржиред ржПржжрзЗрж░ ржоржзрзНржпрзЗ ржЪрж╛ржи ржорж┐ржпрж╝рж╛ рж" ржЬрж╛ржХрж┐рж░рзЗрж░ ржЕржмрж╕рзНржерж╛ ржЖрж╢ржЩрзНржХрж╛ржЬржиржХ ржмрж▓рзЗ ржЬрж╛ржирж┐ржпрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗ рж╣рж╛рж╕ржкрж╛рждрж╛рж▓ рж╕рзВрждрзНрж░ред ржПржЫрж╛ржбрж╝рж╛ рж╕рж╛ржзржи ржмрж░рзНржоржиржХрзЗ ржЕржкрж╛рж░рзЗрж╢ржи ржерж┐ржпрж╝рзЗржЯрж╛рж░рзЗ ржирзЗрж"ржпрж╝рж╛
> рж╣ржпрж╝рзЗржЫрзЗред
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Re: [chottala.com] TAJUDDIN AHAMED'S SEVEN-POINT AGREEMENT WITH INDRA GANDHI




Well lets look at 7 Points agreemnt signed by TAJUDDIN
 
1. Bangladesh will have a para-military force to be organized, equipped and supervised by India.
 
I assume as this document was signed during independece war, TAJUDDIN have consulted that administration DEFENCE MINISTER / CHIEF OF STAFF or SUPREME COMMADER of MUKTI BAHANI...COL retired MD ATAUL GONI OSMANI ...as I asume TAJUDDIN did not make that decision unillaterally. I think as OSMANI is from SYLHET a state famous for TEA & ties to GREAT BRITAIN as many SYLETIES are rumored to be BRITISH Cooks..I wonder what else went on...it seems KADER SIDDIQUE who apparently refused to be present in the PAK ARMY surrender ceremony and ex JASAD leader close to A.S.M ABDUR ROB...they hold OSMANI SMRITI SANGSAD...and used to be once in CHATTRA LEAGUE POLITICS could enligten an us more...IF OSMANI was in on the decision..what about his favorite SECTOR COMMANDAR and the much proclaimer of Declarer of INDEPENDENCE of BANGLADESH..didi they agree to the term signed..asumume even at that they had some channel of ccommunication between the rank sof MUKTI BAHANI...I think only survivors and close to them can set the record straight...
2. Bangladesh will procure all its military requirements from India. 
WHO else they could procure military requirement...then in Those days...US was not for Independence..That took US out of consideration..
Pakistan they even had their automatics I think from Chinese if I am not wrong..Seems Critics of the agrrement would loved to have these things sourced from EITHER CHINA or US...
In relaity to the agrrement...I do recall at FAUJDAR HAT our Principals some of whom were MILITRAY indiviual drove RUSSIANS automobiles..even college GRASS MOWER was Russian..I think also was a TRUCK of Russian...tHne their was much criticism of spare parts shoratage and not performing to the standard of may be JPANAESE or TATA...FORD & etc...the thing is RUSSIA did play a constructive role in INdependence of Bangladesh..well may of them are not..thier now..
Only other you could and they would sell Military Requirements are ISREALIS..I think I let Critics decide who they should have bought them from..
 
3. Bangladesh's foreign trade will be controlled by India.
 
Sheikh Mujibs Foreign Minister was DR KAMAL HOSSAIN, a man married to I think some one tied to west if not. His Minster of Commerce which dictated the trade policy was KHONDOKAR MUSTAQUE AHMED
Dr Kamal is a very prominent Lawyer..well he is alos incahoots with Shelu & Danty...as his clients include OIL Comapanies.either thier was difference of opinion as he is not wait Awami League but his own GONOFORUM that does ally to AWAMI LEAGUE in a coalition. He did company Sheikh Mujib when he returned from Pakistan Prison, he did..help revive Awami League adn rumor has it played key role in bring Back Hassina from India...but issue still remains is as HASNAT the BNP minsiter & Dhaka Mayor issue....Only they can speak for them selves...
 

 
 
4. Bangladesh's development plans shall be approved by India..
 
Part of it during those days Only Russia would stick it neck out for INDIA..asusme INDIANS had this  evaluated By the Russians..the thing is in those days many of India technology was RUSSIAN inflcunced, thus was the development plan if any..NIXON and subseqeunt every one did thier best to destroy EVIL EMPIRE as it was termed

5. Bangladesh's foreign relations shall be guided by India. Sheikh Mujib was signatory and commited to NON ALLIGEN Foreign policy..as US administration was out right hostile that was the only other option

6. Bangladesh cannot rescind any part of these agreements without prior approval of India. Many Gov have come and gone since Independence of Bangladesh...I wonder did Begums admistration try to RECIND the agreemment what they find if they tried so...

7. Indian force shall enter into Bangladesh at any time to crush any resistance or uprising.
 
They never did even after MUJIB and his family his top political allies..and his many relatives were systematically killed..including toddlers.4 leaders where assasinated in the Prison..some where I read JAILER of that prsion did make a detail incident report.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Tajuddin Indira Pact by Debasish Barua, USA, in response to Declaration of Independence: The Controversy Continues by Obaid Chowdhury, USA.
 
 
 
 

Dear Mr. Barua,

Thanks for reading my article ‘Declaration of Independence: The Controversy Continues.’
 
Tajuddin-Indira pact was a passing reference in the article. I am glad that it caught your attention, even though you seem have missed the main subject. For your benefit, here are the seven salient points of the Tajuddin-Indira Agreement:
 
1. Bangladesh will have a para-military force to be organized, equipped and supervised by India.

2. Bangladesh will procure all its military requirements from India. 

3. Bangladesh's foreign trade will be controlled by India.

4. Bangladesh's development plans shall be approved by India.

5. Bangladesh's foreign relations shall be guided by India.

6. Bangladesh cannot rescind any part of these agreements without prior approval of India.

7. Indian force shall enter into Bangladesh at any time to crush any resistance or uprising.
 
I do not think they need further explanation.

Mr. Barua, I am not aware how old you were in 1971 and your role in our liberation war. If you are in your 50s or below, it is not expected for you to know or remember what really happened during those days. (I happened to be a small-time freedom fighter and knew some hard facts). If your knowledge of our war and the history of the subcontinent are from reading books, it depended on what books and from which angle you read them. There are much more than what catches the eye. One needs to dig deeper for truth.
 
A highly knowledgeable friend of mine always says, "We fought for independence for one reason (such as we could no longer stay with Pakistan). But India helped us---rather fought its own war with Pakistan---for a totally different reason." In Indira Gandhi's own words, it was for the 'hazaar salon ka badla'. I suppose you are intelligent enough to understand what that badla meant.  
 
Maulan Bhasani once said, "It is India who should be grateful to Bangladesh, not the other way round." He was referring to the huge benefit India gained through the independence of Bangladesh. The breakup of Pakistan and the prospect of making the new country another Sikkim, were just two. The loot of sophisticated huge armaments left by 5 plus Pakistan Army Divisions was another. Major Jalil, 9 Sector Commander, was put on Court Martial because he tried to stop the Indian loot. We have lately seen the use of Bangladesh as corridor to reach India’s inaccessible Seven Sisters. 
 
Nonetheless, we are grateful to India for providing sanctuary and material support in our war. At the same time, we know what cost we had to pay for that. Indira Gandhi's hazaar salon ka badla was not possible without the help of the Mukti Bahini, which fought for 9 months, lost 3 million people---according to Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who did not see the war---with colossal collateral damages. When the defeat of the enemy was imminent, India joined the war on December 4, 1971 just to accept the Pakistani surrender in less than two weeks, sidetracking the Mukti Bahini. The helicopter carrying Mukti  Bahini commander Colonel Osmani was shot and disabled over Sylhet so that he could not join the surrender ceremony.
 
When India entered the war in its eastern sector, Niazi’s forces had already lost the fighting capability with no air power. It might have hastened the surrender but the Mukti Bahini lost an edge. The freedom fighters failed to put the Pakistanis to rout, to an utter defeat at their hands. In fact, India saved Pakistanis, not the Bengalis by entering the war in Bangladesh. India's recognition of Bangladesh on December 6 was a de facto arrangement.
 
India's love for Bangladesh is evident from the above 7 points! We have been through more intense love affairs since. The 7 points were expanded into a 25-Year Secret Agreement, according to some subjugation, between Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and Indira Gandhi. Farrakka barrage has rendered one-third of Bangladesh into semi deserts with far reaching economic and ecological consequences. Tipaimukh is another similar contraption against Bangladesh and the present Hasina government is gleefully accepting it, as her father Sheikh Mujib did for Farrakka in 1974. The wire fencing, the daily Felani brutality, the seizure of South Talpatti, no water in Teesta, the availing of corridor through Bangladesh almost free, the flooding Bangladesh with phensedyls and other harmful drugs, the Swadhin Bangabhumi, the tribal insurgency in Hill Tracts---do I need to mention more?  
 
Obaid Chowdhury
New York, USA
April 25, 2012


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Tajuddin Ahmad’s seven-point agreement with Indra Gandhi
Abid Bahar

True, "Indian rulers did not want a fully independent and sovereign Bangladesh, but a client state under its hegemony, from the very beginning was made clear in a less publicized seven-point document which Mr. Tajuddin Ahmad, the prime minister of the Bangladesh government-in-exile in India in 1971, was obliged to sign as a condition for India’s direct military campaign in Bangladesh accelerate the defeat and surrender of the Pakistani occupation forces and to install a puppet government in power."(1)
The seven-point document reads as follows [2]:
"(1) A para-military armed force for Bangladesh will be raised under supervision of the Indian military experts; this force shall be stronger and more active than the regular armed forces of Bangladesh .
(2) Bangladesh shall procure all military equipment from India and under planned supervision of the Indian military experts.
(3) Bangladesh shall direct her foreign trade under supervision and control of the Indian government.
(4) Yearly and five-yearly development plans for Bangladesh shall conform to Indian development plans.
(5) Foreign policy of Bangladesh must be compatible with and conform to that of India .
(6) Bangladesh shall not unilaterally rescind any of the treaties without prior approval of the Indian government.
(7) In accordance with the treaties signed before December (1971) war of Pakistan and India , Indian force shall enter into Bangladesjh at any time and shall crush any resistance that may erupt there."

Afsan Chowdhury, wrote: "Indira didn’t have enough confidence in Mujibnagar ( led by Tajuddin) and set up the Bangladesh Liberation Army, Mujibbahini as it was popularly known. It was drawn up of students and youth activists led by one Gen. Ovan, a man who later supervised the raising of the Rakkhi Bahini in Bangladesh. This was done without the knowledge of Tajuddin Ahmed and his allies and many deeply resented it but Indira was buying insurance against the not so dependable allies of 1971. And to her it was India’s war and not anyone else’s.(3) This shows that Indra Gandhi set forth the foundations of Indian hegemony
with Bangladesh.
Alam Mahmud wrote in reaction to people bowing to India and to Indra Gandhi as"the demigod."(4) He says: "History should be assessed with facts not with emotions. We are affected by emotions. Its not honoring the friend rather bowing to the demigod. To me, Bangladesh is a by product of Indo-Pak rivalry which were magnified by the atrocities of hot-headed generals of Pakistan. General DK Palit, a veteran Indian military thinker, stated about 1971 war that the war was over before the battles were won. Indians didn't win the battles but won the war. If you go through world famous military events of that time, the liberation war of Bangladesh has no space but the Indo-Pak war bears the importance. Its their interest to disintegrate Pakistan. They intervened and we are lucky to get a new nation. What Sheikh Mujib wanted is still a mystery. We must celebrate friends but not at the cost of our own existence. Bangladesh could have been an independent state in 1947. Had there been a dominant leadership at that time? ... I think the romance of 1971 is no more relevant today. There are changes in people's mind as well. It will be better to select a middle path to deal with India."
As for Tajuddin, his glorious role in the liberation war must be celebrated but like his master Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib, he was also involved in forgiving corrupted AL goons/ smugglers, one among them was a godfather in Chittagong called Man-serumia who was captured by the Customs in Chittagong but was released by Tajuddin perhaps at the instruction of Bangabandhu Mujib himself. Tajuddin personally visited the custom's office the next day to drop the case entirely. There must be more mystery surrounding behind Tajuddin's sacrifices and betrayals, his rise and fall and his place in ‘the proverbial dustbin of history.


ENDNOTES

[1] K M A Malik, The Sugar-coated Poison India"s offer of ‘help’ to restructure BDR
(2) Oli Ahad, Jatio Rajniti (1945 to 1975), 2nd Ed. , Bangladesh Cooperative Book Society, Dhaka , p. 450. (Cardiff , April 4, 2009)
(3)Afsan Chowdhury,
http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2011/07/25/bangladesh-honours-indira-gandhi%E2%80%99s-1971-war/Afsan Chowdhury,
(4) Indira Gandhi . . . in our collective memory, http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=195763





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Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka




I guess History is speaking...
 
I also understood, their are provinces in Pakistan that has pockects of TRIBE, like Chittagong Hill Tracts
 with very unique culture of their own. Well they were either in no ones equation. I have come across Afghahis in USA, few not many of those tribes even such as SHOWTALS from Bangladesh.
 
Hossein Shahid Sarwardy...I think is actually what they call GHOTTI, as the movie shows he was among the once pleading MAHATMA GADHI to break his fasting..in CALCUTTA of all...Interstingly Sarwardy never did have any another significant acheivement..Interstingly SARAWARDY died in LEBANON of a much troubled country seems to have settled down some what now...well that is my previous SUPERVISORS husbands place of birth...well so was Jacque Nasser and Autralian/ Lebanese I think FORD so is current NISSAN honco who rumored to have rettired to resurcae againg to bring back DATSUN...Lebanon is much French influenced , next to the Moslem though they do not belive in..them but the DEATH FERRY...
 
Some where I heard JIHNNA him self was GUJRATI Speaking...
 
By the way AWAMI LEAGUE was know as AWAMI MUSLIM LEAGUE...its name was changed to make it more inclusive to other minorities...thus they dropped MUSLIM and namedd it AWAMI LEAGUE...in terminology I think may even be either URDU or ARABIC I mean the term AWAMI...I think it is almost same as saying PEOPLES PARTY of Bhutto..only thing is it is actually English Term...inspired would like to say a British educated BARRISTER who was tried...and was HANGED despite many request by an MILITARY GOV COURT of Gen ZIAUL HAQUE...who alos died like in a Mysterious plane crash..even at that BHUTTO was given some kind of trial for his dead in in his home constituence of LARKANA..
 
More as I can think of...
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:13 AM
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On 14th August, 1947, the Pakistan Mr. Jinnah had gotten, did not include half of Afghanistan that was called NWF Province and they spoke Pushto, not Urdu. Pakistan usurped that land in 1948. State of Bahwalpur, now Southern Punjab of Pakistan, where now 10% of Pakistanis called Saraikis live was also usurped. Baluchistan was also not a part of Pakistan and was invaded by Pak Army in 1949. Balochis did not speak Urdu either. They are still 40% Pushto Speaking and 60% Speakers of Balochi Languages. So, in Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had gotten, 70% of people spoke Bangla but he had insisted making Urdu National Language because Hindi-Urdu was language of Communication in India.
Even now Urdu is Mother Tongue of only about 10% of Pakistan of today and at least 8% of Urdu Speaking Population, the emigrants from India face discrimination and occasional killings by Pakistan Establishment.
Bengalis and Urdu Speaking were the Back Bone of Muslim League and Urdu Speaking was betrayed by Mr. Jinnah because he had not fought for their majority lands in what is now India. Instead he had accepted Moslim Majority West Punjab, when Punjabis were never a part of Pakistan Movement and Muslim League had never won more than a couple of Seats in Pre Partition Punjab Assemblies.
So, Mr. Jinnah had first back-stabbed his Urdu Speaking followers and then Bengalis by declaring Urdu, the National Language of Pakistan.

Mr. Shohorwardi, Muslim League Chief Minister of East Bengal was right, when he had demanded both Bengals united and given freedom as an independent country.
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Punjabi Rulers of Pakistan are not legitimate owners of Pakistan. Even in Sindh Muslim League had never won a majority. It could form government there with help of another Political Party before Partition. Muslim League Government only existed in East Bengal before Partition.

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> Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking
> people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language in
> India but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies) were minority in comparison to
> Bangla speaking people. The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by
> the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that
> was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish
> Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with
> that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan.
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> of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to
> constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East
> Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others. I really feel pity for the Indian's
> left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or
> Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars
> used to be named as Biharis over there. The Muslims from India
> who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and
> western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most
> neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now.
> Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers
> and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the
> beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of
> their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in
> spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of
> 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped
> them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all
> spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology
> and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men of the Muslim
> Ummah. Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.
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> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
> To: awamileague@yahoogroups.com
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> My comments are inserted below.
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> --- In
> alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@> wrote:
> >
> > *How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka*
> >
> > By Shenali Waduge
> >
> > With a population of 1.2billion living across a landmass of 2973190 square
> > kilometers, there is no denying India’s power. Yet, if not for its
> > inferiority we cannot comprehend why India would desire to adopt a
> > consistent policy and go to great lengths to destabilize each of its
> > neighbors whilst pretending to be their friend.
> .
> TURKMAN: Why was not India pretending to be Friend of Pakistan before 1971? Had Pakistan not declared India her Birth Enemy before all this?
> ----------
> Diplomacy is one thing but to know that men and material are being used to destroy a neighboring nation simply does not justify any of the excuses India gives purely to deceive the masses and gain international prestige for
> itself.
> >
> TURKMAN: What 'Material' was India using to destroy Pakistan?
> -----------
> > The example of Bangladesh is perfect to describe the birth of Indian intelligence agency RAW tasked to partition Pakistan and create Bangladesh in 1971. It was in 1947 that 2 different countries were created â€" Pakistan and India. Muslims were divided into 2 countries bearing 2 different nationalities. West Pakistan was dominated by Punjabi’s while East Pakistan was the home to Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs.
> >
> TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know that Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs did not live in West Pakistan. Nobody knows this.
> -------
> > What we are taught to believe is that Bengali leader Sheikh Mujibar Rehman resented political power vested with West Pakistan elite and had formed the Awami League demanding autonomy for East Pakistan and though he won the 1970 general election, he was put in jail leading
> to the Bangladesh Liberation War which created Bangladesh. A missing piece in this incident is the role India’s intelligence played.
> >
> TURKMAN: Oh don't we know, India had turned majority of Pakistanis, the Bengalis in to her Agents before Awami League won, right? India had first ordered Punjabis to discriminate against Bengalis make East Pakistan become a lot poorer than West Pakistan also to cause dissent, right?
> ----------
> > By creating Bangladesh, India also created an enemy in Pakistan.
> .
> TURKMAN: Oh sure, before India created Bangladesh, Pakistan used to be a good Friend of India and had not fought against India in 1948 and Pakistan had not covertly attacked India in 1965. India created an Enemy in Pakistan only in 1971, right Liar?
> ---------
> No formal ties will erase the hate Pakistan has against India.
> >
> > The resentment of East Pakistan towards West Pakistan was triggered by none other than
> India’s RAW using the card of “discrimination� similar to what they used against the Sinhalese by the Tamils.
> >
> TURKMAN: But who had given that Card of "Discrimination" to India if saintly West Pakistanis were never discriminating against Bengalis since birth of Pakistan?
> ----------
> > What India eventually did was to protect Awami League leaders, train and armed the insurgents which ultimately led to the disintegration of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: If Awami League Leaders were under Indian Protection, how the hell they had gotten arrested so easily by Paki Army Soldiers? Which Bengalis were trained by India before Army Action started against them in March, 1971? What the hell 'MookTi Bhaiyini' had accomplished until Indian Attack on East Pakistan? Which village had gone on its control, forget about cities?
> ---------
> > The Bangladesh breakup according to B. Raman’s book “The
> Kaoboys of R&AW� the break up of East Pakistan was carried out in 2 phases by Indira Gandhi and the RAW. Phase 1 was coordinated by Kao and phase 2 by Field Marshal Sham Manekshaw. RAW trained and supplied arms to Bengali anti-Pakistan militants. Indira Gandhi was given bugged conversations of top Pakistani officials. RAW had even funded Mujibur Rahman’s general election in 1970 and trained and armed the Mukti Bahini that RAW officers set up using Bengali refugees.
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> TURKMAN: Yeah, but all this would not have happened if West Pakistanis had treated Bengalis as their brothers. Awami League would not have won if Bengalis were not mad at their Rulers in West Pakistan. RAW could not have done nothing even if all accusations against India are correct because time proved, RAW has not done anything against Punjabi Rule in Pakistan from 1972 to now and they have kept ruling Pakistan against wishes of 56% of Pakistan's present Non Punjabi
> Population. If RAW had funded Sh. Mujib before 1970 Elections, why had Pakistan not banned Awami League?
> ----------
> How many illegal refugees do we have in Sri Lanka â€" the people that our army rescued and what is their role like to be in future unless checked. Is it not for this reason that India insists on demilitarizing the North?
> >
> TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about here.
> --------
> > RAW continued its presence in Bangladesh even after the latters
> > independence by training Chakma tribes and Shanti Bahini to carry out subversive activities in Bangladesh.
> >
> TURKMAN: What Evidence you have to prove this?
> ------
> > Similar to how India forcefully made Sri Lanka sign the Indo-Lanka
> > Agreement and make constitutional changes, India put forward a 7-point agreement prior to Indian army overrunning the Pakistan army in just 2 weeks to create Bangladesh after obtaining a
> security guarantee from former Soviet Union in case of American interference. That 7 point plan included the following:
> .
> TURKMAN: I had no idea you make up all this stuff out of thin Air. Yes, India was so scared of USA despite that Pakistan had kicked all Americans out of Pakistan and had very strained relations with USA that she had gotten USSR to sign a 25 year Defense Agreement so, USA would not intervene. I am not reading rest of your B.S. supplied to you by ISI of Pakistan, who you work for. Bye.
> --------
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> > 1. Bangladesh Government had to select only those who participated in the liberation war to its administrative posts and shortfalls had to be filled by Indian officials.
> >
> > 2. Joint force comprising Indian army and Mukti Bahini under the command of
> > Indian Army chief to lead the liberation war.
> >
> > 3. Bangladesh to have no standing army.
> >
> > 4. India to raise paramilitary
> force to protect internal law and order of
> > Bangladesh.
> >
> > 5. Open market subject to periodical reviews.
> >
> > 6. Indian army to be stationed indefinitely in Bangladesh
> >
> > 7. Bangladesh’s foreign policy to be determined only in consultation with
> > India.
> >
> > This is how India strategically trapped Bangladesh who was taught to think
> > that it owed India for liberating it. India went on to tie Bangladesh
> > further by signing a “25 year friendship treaty� which further strangulated
> > any desire for liberty on the part of Bangladesh. In short Bangladesh could
> > not do anything without the concurrence of India. Thus, India made sure
> > that Bangladesh was nothing but India’s poodle.
> >
> > Yet a military coup took place in 1975 against corruption and dissolving of
> > Parliament to create a one party rule. The new government commenced
> ties
> > with China, USA, Europe and Middle East to diminish Indian influence with
> > resulted in further Indian angst.
> >
> > Bangladesh like Sri Lanka is important for India because it is a strategic
> > corridor between India and North East. Bangladesh also provides a bridge
> > between SAARC and ASEAN nations and is a key marine resource provider. Its
> > sea ports are important for trade as China is also aware. In short
> > Bangladesh is the most cost effective route for India to import gas from
> > Myanmar.
> >
> > Similar to some of the antics India pulls upon Sri Lanka has been what
> > Bangladesh experienced when it attempted to break away from Indian
> > influence. Border disputes are issues which India defers to solve much like
> > what Sri Lanka is experiencing with Tamil Nadu fishermen. Then there is
> > India’s border security and deployment of navy near South Talpatty as
> well
> > as India’s support towards secessionist movements in Chittagong Hill Tracks
> > going so far as to provide money & arms. Isn’t this what India did in Sri
> > Lanka?
> >
> > As in Sri Lanka’s case, India keeps using its media to invent fictitious
> > stories about how both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are a threat to India’s
> > security interests to pressurize these Governments into functioning
> > according to Indian dictates.
> >
> > Bangladesh nor Sri Lanka can adapt a single strategy to deal with a country
> > as large as India unless the neighbors tie together against India. All the
> > SAARC nations have experienced India’s backstabbing techniques. It hired
> > the LTTE to storm Maldives and then pretended to save Maldives. More
> > recently India has sided with the US to oust President Nasheed and install
> > a puppet leader. There was also rumors of an LTTE plot to
> kill Bangladesh’s
> > Sheikh Hasina in 1999 for a payment of $10m. It does all types of
> > activities to keep Nepal from developing & the list goes on.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka’s case what first angered India appears to have been the Sri
> > Lankan Government’s decision to allow refueling facilities to Pakistan’s
> > civil and military aircraft and ships during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
> > India was also angered when Sri Lanka permitted Israel to establish
> > intelligence presence and Sri Lanka permitted Voice of America to be
> > installed on the island. These have been called the “irritants� that
> > translated into the Indira Doctrine and Sri Lanka becoming the target of
> > RAW’s destabilizing policy.
> >
> > This surely must mean that India can be charged for state funded terrorism
> > because with RAW’s supervision camps were set up in Tamil Nadu, former RAQ
> >
> trainers were re-employed to train Tamil militant groups at centers in
> > Gunda and Gorakhpur.
> >
> > The covert operation in Sri Lanka found the RAW taking the situation into
> > its own hand by contravening its foreign policy and former Indian High
> > Commissioner is said to have even accused RAW of giving 10m rupees to LTTE.
> >
> > With RAW mandated to destabilize Sri Lanka, it went on to build up EPRLF,
> > ENDLF to create further dissent by challenging the LTTE as well. Today, you
> > may not see them but one can be sure there are plenty of RAW officers
> > around even in the suburbs. How long can India hide that India trained
> > Prabakaran & the LTTE?
> >
> > With all this knowledge if Sri Lanka is going to think that India will say
> > “We like you better than Bangladesh or Pakistan and we wont do anything
> > harmful ever to our neighborâ€� â€" we don’t deserve to be
> called sovereign!
> >
> > India may like to forget what it did to Sri Lanka because India now stands
> > to gain by exerting diplomatic pressures and using its media to reverse its
> > own guilt but the people of Sri Lanka know better even if the political
> > leaders of Sri Lanka are gullible to all the lies & deceits of India.
> >
> > What Sri Lanka do leaders must never forget is that the entire drama
> > revolving around Geneva was primarily to lay the foundation to oust the
> > present Government from power. In such a scenario all the pressures being
> > exerted is primarily targeting Sri Lanka’s political leaderships and if
> > they are naïve enough to forgive, forget and carry on caring less about
> > safeguarding the country even the people are likely to lose faith. This is
> > exactly what these foreign intelligence agencies currently in Sri Lanka are
> > attempting to achieve.
> What a pity it would be if our leaders carve out
> > their own ruin & take the country with them.
> >
> > Yet, it is still not too late and the people of Sri Lanka will back leaders
> > who can do what they achieved in 2009 in a new twist to terrorism coming
> > from the diplomatic front to usurp the sovereignty of our nation.Over to
> > you for action, Mr. President.
> >
> >
> > *Shenali Waduge is a working mother of two from Sri Lanka. She received her
> > Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Delhi in India. She
> > has lived abroad in both the UK and India and derives great joy from
> > learning about other cultures. Shenali’s journalism is an outlet to express
> > her desire to see a more fair and just society. A voice for truth, she
> > covers politics, social change, culture, women’s issues and education.
> > Shenali regularly contributes to the Asian Tribune
> and Lankaweb. Shenali is
> > also an artist and volunteers her time to programs that help the needy in
> > Sri Lanka. Her dream is to see a world without armaments, without strife
> > and with the freedom for all to experience world cultures.*
> >
> > http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> > http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka
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Re: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela



Now that we know in details of JABBAR BOLI KHELA...I think BOLI also means the ritaul that existed such as BOLI'r PATHA and etc..
 
Even at that I wonder how they came about the name of river KARNAPHULI..is their any docummentary evidence of finding any one really floating in the river..as hint is KARNA of MAHABHARAT..
 
I wonder what else is GOING ON IN CHITTAGONG...
 
Political Meeting...
Chiittagong Foot Legaue who is winning who is loosing etc..
 

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:45 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] Jabbarer Bolikhela

 
Link to my feature on Jabbarer Bolikhela of Chittagong published in the Starcampus in 2008.

http://www.thedailystar.net/campus/2008/05/01/feature_bolikhela.htm

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 Mr Siraj
Division of India in 1947 is shameful and harmful for Muslims people over all of India sub continent. It is clear Pakistan creation was neither for Islam nor for then Indian Muslim's interest.
Examples.
Punjab and Bengal was Muslim Majority Provinces in undivided India.
 Punjab and Bengal is divided. 
Is division of Punjab and Bengal for Majority Muslim interest?
 Or
Is division of Punjab and Bengal for Minority Hindus interest?
Why are not divided other Provinces of India where Hindus are Majority and Muslims are Minority?
Is it not clear?
 That division of India 1947 was not for Muslim people's Interest or not for Islam. or Not division for religion of Islam or Hindu. If division for religions then why not created separate states for  Christ people Bhudish people Shik people and other religious of India
It can say that
 The  then Muslims leaders in India Sub continent  were either not foresighted  politicians or were very foolish politicians or they were not doing politics for common Muslims' Interest or they  thought to getting power and common Muslims people were misguided by so called power catching Muslim leaders.
Urdu and Hindi language leaders thought to rule Indian people  under control  Hindi and Urdu  Language  dividing  India  in 2 nation theory in the name Hindu and Muslims and after division of India Hindi  has become  state language of India and Urdu tried in Pakistan.  Then Muslim Bengali leader AK Fazlul Haque understood others not and foolish Bengal Muslims leaders understood it later.
And Pakistan broken for language
Bengali Muslims are now neither Total Muslim nor Total Bengali
Leader can tell.
What Bengali Muslims is either Bengali or Bangladeshi? Or Total what?


From: siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@hotmail.com>
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka

 


Dear dina khan I fully agree with your viewpoint but could not agree when you mentioned in India there were minority people of Bangla language. When we consider in united Pakistan Bangla language was not a language of minority people rather this Bangla language people in the whole of Pakistan were the language of majority people more than the urdu speaking people of whole of Pakistan. Bangla Language may be minority people language in India but not in Pakistan where Urdu speakers (Panjabi, Pathans, Sindhi, Baluchi and multi language societies)  were minority in comparison to Bangla speaking people. 
The creation of Pakistan overwhelmingly supported by the Muslims of Bengal just to make a separate Muslim state in India and that was spoiled by the foolish Muslim rulers of that part of Pakistan I mean the foolish Muslims of West Pakistan and few foolish Pakistani Generals in association with that mad hatter and power hunger man Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Pakistan was not created on language basis but on Muslim ideology but the Pakistani rulers neglecting the majority Bengalees tried to impose their minority Urdu language over the people of majority Bengalees of East Pakistan.  
Pakistan was created because of the sacrifices of millions of Muslims of territories that went on to constitute East and West Pakistan. After the independence of Pakistan, East Pakistan now Bangladesh played a tremendous role in the country's affairs especially in foreign currencies earning by exporting jute, leathers and others. 
I really feel pity for the Indian's left out Muslims who could not be able to migrate and suffered and still suffering a lot in the hands of fanatic Hindus as it happened in  Gujarat and other parts of India every now and then without the knowledge to the outside world. Those who were lucky enough to be able to migrate in West Pakistan commonly known as Mohajirs or Hidustani and migrated Muslims in East Pakistan mostly from Bihars used to be named as Biharis over there. 
The Muslims from India who entered in West Pakistan Karachi, Sindh province mostly from Hyderabad and western part of India still considered to be the 3rd class citizen and most neglected and hated types of society by the Pakistanis up till now. Whereas Biharis who entered in East Pakistan in mass were accepted by the Bengalis from the very beginning as their migrated Muslim brothers and co-operated with them in all possible ways they can do at that time. In the beginning the Biharis did not have any land or neither possessing any land of their own. The Bengalees gave them shelter by giving their own land in spite of the facts they had little land to share because their territory of 54,000 squire miles was the most thickly populated in the world. They also helped them in getting jobs and co-operated with them in all possible ways to all spheres of their lives. The Bengalis did this in view of the Islamic ideology and because they advocate the unity and political advancement and uplift-men  of the Muslim Ummah. 
Dr. Siraj Uddowllah.

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From: dina30_khan@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:59:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka

 

Pakistan was created under division of India in 1947 making foolish Muslims and making Bengali people  and Bangla language minority people  Language in India for Hindi making state language of India and Urdu for Pakistan..
After division of India Muslims people in India lost their property and birth right  in all over of India and being migrated  from India to West and East Pakistan lost their life and property.


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Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 7:22 AM
Subject: [chottala.com] How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka

My comments are inserted below.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@...> wrote:
>
> *How India created Bangladesh & lessons for Sri Lanka*
>
>   By Shenali Waduge
>
> With a population of 1.2billion living across a landmass of 2973190 square
> kilometers, there is no denying India’s power. Yet, if not for its
> inferiority we cannot comprehend why India would desire to adopt a
> consistent policy and go to great lengths to destabilize each of its
> neighbors whilst pretending to be their friend.
.
TURKMAN: Why was not India pretending to be Friend of Pakistan before 1971? Had Pakistan not declared India her Birth Enemy before all this?
----------
 Diplomacy is one thing but to know that men and material are being used to destroy a neighboring nation simply does not justify any of the excuses India gives purely to deceive the masses and gain international prestige for itself.
>
TURKMAN: What 'Material' was India using to destroy Pakistan?
-----------
> The example of Bangladesh is perfect to describe the birth of Indian intelligence agency RAW tasked to partition Pakistan and create Bangladesh in 1971. It was in 1947 that 2 different countries were created â€" Pakistan and India. Muslims were divided into 2 countries bearing 2 different nationalities. West Pakistan was dominated by Punjabi’s while East Pakistan was the home to Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs.
>
TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know that Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis and Mohajirs did not live in West Pakistan. Nobody knows this.
-------
> What we are taught to believe is that Bengali leader Sheikh Mujibar Rehman resented political power vested with West Pakistan elite and had formed the Awami League demanding autonomy for East Pakistan and though he won the 1970 general election, he was put in jail leading to the Bangladesh Liberation War which created Bangladesh. A missing piece in this incident is the role India’s intelligence played.
>
TURKMAN: Oh don't we know, India had turned majority of Pakistanis, the Bengalis in to her Agents before Awami League won, right? India had first ordered Punjabis to discriminate against Bengalis make East Pakistan become a lot poorer than West Pakistan also to cause dissent, right?
----------
> By creating Bangladesh, India also created an enemy in Pakistan.
.
TURKMAN: Oh sure, before India created Bangladesh, Pakistan used to be a good Friend of India and had not fought against India in 1948 and Pakistan had not covertly attacked India in 1965. India created an Enemy in Pakistan only in 1971, right Liar?
---------
 No formal ties will erase the hate Pakistan has against India.
>
> The resentment of East Pakistan towards West Pakistan was triggered by none other than India’s RAW using the card of “discrimination� similar to what they used against the Sinhalese by the Tamils.
>
TURKMAN: But who had given that Card of "Discrimination" to India if saintly West Pakistanis were never discriminating against Bengalis since birth of Pakistan?
----------
> What India eventually did was to protect Awami League leaders, train and armed the insurgents which ultimately led to the disintegration of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.
>
TURKMAN: If Awami League Leaders were under Indian Protection, how the hell they had gotten arrested so easily by Paki Army Soldiers? Which Bengalis were trained by India before Army Action started against them in March, 1971? What the hell 'MookTi Bhaiyini' had accomplished until Indian Attack on East Pakistan? Which village had gone on its control, forget about cities?
---------
> The Bangladesh breakup according to B. Raman’s book “The Kaoboys of R&AW� the break up of East Pakistan was carried out in 2 phases by Indira Gandhi and the RAW. Phase 1 was coordinated by Kao and phase 2 by Field Marshal Sham Manekshaw. RAW trained and supplied arms to Bengali anti-Pakistan militants. Indira Gandhi was given bugged conversations of top Pakistani officials. RAW had even funded Mujibur Rahman’s general election in 1970 and trained and armed the Mukti Bahini that RAW officers set up using Bengali refugees.
.
TURKMAN: Yeah, but all this would not have happened if West Pakistanis had treated Bengalis as their brothers. Awami League would not have won if Bengalis were not mad at their Rulers in West Pakistan. RAW could not have done nothing even if all accusations against India are correct because time proved, RAW has not done anything against Punjabi Rule in Pakistan from 1972 to now and they have kept ruling Pakistan against wishes of 56% of Pakistan's present Non Punjabi Population. If RAW had funded Sh. Mujib before 1970 Elections, why had Pakistan not banned Awami League?
----------
 How many illegal refugees do we have in Sri Lanka â€" the people that our army rescued and what is their role like to be in future unless checked. Is it not for this reason that India insists on demilitarizing the North?
>
TURKMAN: I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about here.
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> RAW continued its presence in Bangladesh even after the latters
> independence by training Chakma tribes and Shanti Bahini to carry out subversive activities in Bangladesh.
>
TURKMAN: What Evidence you have to prove this?
------
> Similar to how India forcefully made Sri Lanka sign the Indo-Lanka
> Agreement and make constitutional changes, India put forward a 7-point agreement prior to Indian army overrunning the Pakistan army in just 2 weeks to create Bangladesh after obtaining a security guarantee from former Soviet Union in case of American interference. That 7 point plan included the following:
.
TURKMAN: I had no idea you make up all this stuff out of thin Air. Yes, India was so scared of USA despite that Pakistan had kicked all Americans out of Pakistan and had very strained relations with USA that she had gotten USSR to sign a 25 year Defense Agreement so, USA would not intervene. I am not reading rest of your B.S. supplied to you by ISI of Pakistan, who you work for. Bye.
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> 1. Bangladesh Government had to select only those who participated in the liberation war to its administrative posts and shortfalls had to be filled by Indian officials.
>
> 2. Joint force comprising Indian army and Mukti Bahini under the command of
> Indian Army chief to lead the liberation war.
>
> 3. Bangladesh to have no standing army.
>
> 4. India to raise paramilitary force to protect internal law and order of
> Bangladesh.
>
> 5. Open market subject to periodical reviews.
>
> 6. Indian army to be stationed indefinitely in Bangladesh
>
> 7. Bangladesh’s foreign policy to be determined only in consultation with
> India.
>
> This is how India strategically trapped Bangladesh who was taught to think
> that it owed India for liberating it. India went on to tie Bangladesh
> further by signing a “25 year friendship treaty� which further strangulated
> any desire for liberty on the part of Bangladesh. In short Bangladesh could
> not do anything without the concurrence of India. Thus, India made sure
> that Bangladesh was nothing but India’s poodle.
>
> Yet a military coup took place in 1975 against corruption and dissolving of
> Parliament to create a one party rule. The new government commenced ties
> with China, USA, Europe and Middle East to diminish Indian influence with
> resulted in further Indian angst.
>
> Bangladesh like Sri Lanka is important for India because it is a strategic
> corridor between India and North East. Bangladesh also provides a bridge
> between SAARC and ASEAN nations and is a key marine resource provider. Its
> sea ports are important for trade as China is also aware. In short
> Bangladesh is the most cost effective route for India to import gas from
> Myanmar.
>
> Similar to some of the antics India pulls upon Sri Lanka has been what
> Bangladesh experienced when it attempted to break away from Indian
> influence. Border disputes are issues which India defers to solve much like
> what Sri Lanka is experiencing with Tamil Nadu fishermen. Then there is
> India’s border security and deployment of navy near South Talpatty as well
> as India’s support towards secessionist movements in Chittagong Hill Tracks
> going so far as to provide money & arms. Isn’t this what India did in Sri
> Lanka?
>
> As in Sri Lanka’s case, India keeps using its media to invent fictitious
> stories about how both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are a threat to India’s
> security interests to pressurize these Governments into functioning
> according to Indian dictates.
>
> Bangladesh nor Sri Lanka can adapt a single strategy to deal with a country
> as large as India unless the neighbors tie together against India. All the
> SAARC nations have experienced India’s backstabbing techniques. It hired
> the LTTE to storm Maldives and then pretended to save Maldives. More
> recently India has sided with the US to oust President Nasheed and install
> a puppet leader. There was also rumors of an LTTE plot to kill Bangladesh’s
> Sheikh Hasina in 1999 for a payment of $10m. It does all types of
> activities to keep Nepal from developing & the list goes on.
>
> In Sri Lanka’s case what first angered India appears to have been the Sri
> Lankan Government’s decision to allow refueling facilities to Pakistan’s
> civil and military aircraft and ships during the Indo-Pak war of 1971.
> India was also angered when Sri Lanka permitted Israel to establish
> intelligence presence and Sri Lanka permitted Voice of America to be
> installed on the island. These have been called the “irritants� that
> translated into the Indira Doctrine and Sri Lanka becoming the target of
> RAW’s destabilizing policy.
>
> This surely must mean that India can be charged for state funded terrorism
> because with RAW’s supervision camps were set up in Tamil Nadu, former RAQ
> trainers were re-employed to train Tamil militant groups at centers in
> Gunda and Gorakhpur.
>
> The covert operation in Sri Lanka found the RAW taking the situation into
> its own hand by contravening its foreign policy and former Indian High
> Commissioner is said to have even accused RAW of giving 10m rupees to LTTE.
>
> With RAW mandated to destabilize Sri Lanka, it went on to build up EPRLF,
> ENDLF to create further dissent by challenging the LTTE as well. Today, you
> may not see them but one can be sure there are plenty of RAW officers
> around even in the suburbs. How long can India hide that India trained
> Prabakaran & the LTTE?
>
> With all this knowledge if Sri Lanka is going to think that India will say
> “We like you better than Bangladesh or Pakistan and we wont do anything
> harmful ever to our neighborâ€� â€" we don’t deserve to be called sovereign!
>
> India may like to forget what it did to Sri Lanka because India now stands
> to gain by exerting diplomatic pressures and using its media to reverse its
> own guilt but the people of Sri Lanka know better even if the political
> leaders of Sri Lanka are gullible to all the lies & deceits of India.
>
> What Sri Lanka do leaders must never forget is that the entire drama
> revolving around Geneva was primarily to lay the foundation to oust the
> present Government from power. In such a scenario all the pressures being
> exerted is primarily targeting Sri Lanka’s political leaderships and if
> they are naïve enough to forgive, forget and carry on caring less about
> safeguarding the country even the people are likely to lose faith. This is
> exactly what these foreign intelligence agencies currently in Sri Lanka are
> attempting to achieve. What a pity it would be if our leaders carve out
> their own ruin & take the country with them.
>
> Yet, it is still not too late and the people of Sri Lanka will back leaders
> who can do what they achieved in 2009 in a new twist to terrorism coming
> from the diplomatic front to usurp the sovereignty of our nation.Over to
> you for action, Mr. President.
>
>
> *Shenali Waduge is a working mother of two from Sri Lanka. She received her
> Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Delhi in India. She
> has lived abroad in both the UK and India and derives great joy from
> learning about other cultures. Shenali’s journalism is an outlet to express
> her desire to see a more fair and just society. A voice for truth, she
> covers politics, social change, culture, women’s issues and education.
> Shenali regularly contributes to the Asian Tribune and Lankaweb. Shenali is
> also an artist and volunteers her time to programs that help the needy in
> Sri Lanka. Her dream is to see a world without armaments, without strife
> and with the freedom for all to experience world cultures.*
>
> http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-for-sri-lanka/
> http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2012/03/25/how-india-created-bangladesh-lessons-sri-lanka







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