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Saturday, October 3, 2009

RE: [chottala.com] And God created Bangladesh at the end.



When someone says that GOD created Bangladesh, I do ask who that GOD is? God of Muslims? God of Hindus? God of Buddhists? or What GOD? Definitely all these GODs are not the same God!  It can't Be! Because if it was the same God then it would perceive Him as the loveless, mindless, and careless God who never minds in human welfare. Why I am saying all these?
Just look at th period of last 800 years in the areas of Bangladesh, what happened and how much tragedy have been inflicted upon the people of the area of now Bangladesh, even if we do not look at any other parts of the world.
 
Shujola shufola shoshyo shyamola Bangladesh (regardless what it used to be called) attracted people from all over and any one once came to Bengal, did not go back by the pull of its peace, beauty, ease of life, a surety of living there with a permanent settlement. The language of the territory of Bengal was Bangla.
 

The history of ancient Bengali is based on copper plate inscriptions and stone script findings. The oldest epigraphical record, found at Mahastangar in the Bogra district of Bangladesh is a very short inscription on stone written in Prakrit. Archaeologists believe it to have been written in the third century B.C.; the script shows the Brahmi characters of the time of Asoka. The inscription contains the word 'Pundrabardan which was a renowned Buddhist and Jain center of learning in Bengal.

 

An early form of Bengali can be found in the grants of the Pala kings. A distinct literary flair appears in these documents, which contain a number of verses ; the kings commissioned court poets and pundits to draft the literary and panegyrical sections. Bengali inscriptions form the fifth century onwards preserved old place names, the study of which can throw more names were Sanskritized, in order to give them some respectability.

 

From ancient times we find various languages of the following families spoken in Bengali : the Austric (Mon-Khmer and Kol), the Dravidian, the Sino-Tibetan or Tibeto-Chinese, and lastly the Indo-European (Aryan). If a Negroid people ever existed in Bengal then they may have, in ancient times, spoken a language related to Andamanese. All these tribes had their own languages, or which they were proud.

 

Speakers of Austric are believed to have entered Bengal through Assam from Northern Indo-China. The Austrics were succeeded by the Dravidian speakers, who appear to have been concentrated in West Bengal. However, we do not have enough information on them to be certain of this. Then came the Tibeto-Chinese or Sino-Tibetan tribes, belonging mainly to the Tibeto-Burman group- the Bodos and others - who overcame the earlier Austric settlers in North and East Bengal. Finally came the Aryans. The Aryanzation of Bengal may be said to have begun during the closing centuries of the first millennium B.C. Non-Aryan dialect did not disappear right away.

 

It is important to note that the languages spoken by all these ethnic groups and tribes contributed to the language that the language that is now Bengali. The Bengali language as such not born before 700 A.D.

 

Aryans entered India up to the time of three periods : 

  1. The Old Indo-Aryan period, from the time the Aryans entered India up to the time of Buddha (roughly from 1500 B.C. to 600 B.C.), Vedic and Early Sanskrit are representative of this period.
  2. The Middle Indo-Aryan period, which appears to have manifested itself in the Aryan language earlier in Eastern India than in North Western India and which continued from the time of Buddha up to 1000 A.D. Pali, Asokan and other inspirational Prakrits, and the later Prakrits and Apabhramsa of literature are representative of the Aryan speech of the period.
  3. The new Indo-Aryan period, which began about 1000 A.D., when the modern Indo-Aryan languages or vernaculars emerged out of the Apabhramsas.

This comes into conflict with the view that North Indian languages like Bengali developed in the seventh century A.D.

 

Bengali is derived from Magadhi Prakrit, which was the official language of the great emperor Asoka. A related dialect was used by Buddha and by Mohavira, the apostle of Jainism. In Bengal in the their of the first millennium B.C. no Aryan language was spoken but the people there had their own language and possessed great artistic skills. During the period of Asoka, the Prakritic or Magadhi form developed into Bengali. About a thousand years ago two kinds of language were apparently in use : the Sauraseni Apabramsa and the native language of Bengal, Proto-Bengali which had become Old Bengali by 1000 A.D.

As Bengali began to take shape and become the common language, the attitude of the learned class towards popular language was that it was a vulgar language or 'Apabhramsa', which meant 'speech fallen off'. In Bengali Pundits described Sanskrityzed literary Bengali as sadhubhasa and the actual living Bengali as apa-bhasa.

 

It is sometimes difficult to locate Bengali manuscripts because in addition to the Bengali alphabets, Oryia, Maithili, Devnagari, Newari, Sylheti, and nagari alphabets were also used. Later on Arabic and Persian were also acceptable as a medium of expression in Bengal. Weather conditions are also very unkind to old manuscripts.

 

The Bengali manuscripts known as the Pundits were generally on 'tulat' or stained paper. The majority of the existing Puthis belong to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. The cayyas composed between the seventh and twelfth centuries and the Sri-Krishna-kirtan of the fifteenth century are the oldest.

 

Although a systematic and continuous search has never been conducted, it is believed that Bengali manuscript may be found in different libraries, temples and private collections in many countries including Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Bhutan and China.

 

In Bangladesh the following places have valuable manuscripts but some of them are lying in total neglect are in danger of being destroyed by fire, dust and time : 

  1. Ramamala Library, Comilla.
  2. Kaiballadham Ashram, Pahartali, Chittagong.
  3. Vatendra Research Society, University of Rajshahi, Rajshahi.
  4. Dhaka University Library, Manuscript and Rare Books Section, Dhaka.
  5. National Museum, Dhaka.
  6. Bangla Academy, Dhaka.
 
So, our past generations came through all these social changes, admixtures, ad joints, culturally, linguistically, and traditionally.  The religion islam started spreading in Bengal during last 800 years after the muslim conquest in Bengal. From 800 years ago for quite sometime, islam has been found by some people of Bengal, specially non-brahmin, non-rich, non-political people as to provide better social protections compared to caste-systems of hinduism and hermitism of the the buddhist religions. Equality amongst individuals and group protections collectively would have been found better in islam. Also, the muslim rulers provided a number of incentives to the converts and simultaneously the sufis from the eastern parts of the middle-east such as from Iran, Azarbizan, shyam, etc. kept coming in flocks to spread their philosophy of oneness in religions, regardless of what they practice or believe in. Huge number of people became their followers resulting wholesale conversion of people into islam for a few hundred years. The came the Mughals and Pathans. Many of these rulers have denied the control,from the center such as from Delhi or Agra, and declare themselves as Independent Rulers. The modern Bangal evolved during this period. Alauddin Hussain Shah set up a commission with the learned pundits who set in Arakan for quite a long time and developed the modern Bangla Script and developed the Modern Bangla language that we have now. The bengali grammar was written later by an Italian missionary father that we use now-e-days as the bengali grammar.
 
After all these when British captured Bengal and in next 100 years captured entire India and Burma, Bengal started suffering a lot. Looking at the bengali terrorism against the British-Raj such as Khudirm, Titumir, etc., British wanted to introduce the principle of "Divide & Rule". Divided the bangla-speaking lands into three major provinces: Assam, East Bengal And West Bengal.  West Bengal became basically the homeland of hindu elites, Assam for tribal bangla/assamese speakers, and East bengal for the backward muslims having no access to any modern infrastructures, education, or communications. Muslims remained in the darkness for long time.  Then when India-Pakistan division came, british asked muslims to vote for India or Pakistan. Being muslims they voted for Pakistan and evolved as East-Pakistan 1000 miles from four other provinces of Pakistan, where capital and all activities of the country belonged to. East pakistan soon became like a colony of West Pakistan to pay taxes and provide raw materials, but instead having no progress and development.
 
In 1971, Pakistan denied East Pakistan's success in the vote, cracked down with military, killed and raped millions of Bangalis, with a view to reduce the number of voters from East Pakistan and to change the look of the bangali face, giving birth the children who would look lie the Punjabis, changing totally the demography of East Pakistan. By religions, the Punjabis were muslims, who would be punished to death, according to their religion, if raped anyone else other than the wives. But the double standard Pakistani Government introduced this vicious practice and protected by all means those criminal killers and rapists. At the end, finding no way, millions of people fled to India to save themselves from the savage punjabis and the heinous Pakistani Government. In order to get rid of millions of Bengali refugees, India had to fight Pakistan to subdue and compell the
Pakistanis to leave East Pakistan, giving rise to the Independence of Bangladesh. Bengali Youths fought along side the Indian army in the fight against Pakistan. These brave youths are being honored by all Bangladeshis for ever as the "Freedom-Fighters" or "Mukti-Judhha".
 
Later by the conspiracy of the Pakistani Government, ISI, and middle-eastern Jihadi and ultra-riches by Oil, the sanctity of Bangladesh were torn. The father of the nation and his family were brutally killed by pro-islami faction of the Army. They captured the government, changed consttution, pakistanized, islamized and radicalized the entire country for three decades.
During the rule of these faceless dictators, bangladesh totally lost its spirit of why bangladesh was established.
 
Last year, the people of Bangladesh defeated, by the ballot of the majority, the continuation of that ugly regime.
However, their agents are all over, working too hard underground, and when possible surfacing above, for re-capturing the power of the Government. Pakistan, ISI, and Middle-Eastern radicals are helping the bengali traitors to defame the spirit of independent bangladesh and a secular humanistic bangladeshi culture, rather to be radicalized to dictatorial nomadic islamic harshism.


To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
From: Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:02:57 -0500
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] And God created Bangladesh at the end.

 

 
 
Dear All
 
Eight hundred years have passsed since the advent of Islam in Bangladesh
(1204, Bakhtier Khilji). During the muslim rule, people of Bengal, Hindus & Muslims
lived peacefully as friendly neighbours without any communal hatered or animosity
for each other. The Hindu Zamindari Syestem in Bengal was a creation of British
occupation....[Warren Hastings 1772-1774 Sunset Law] the seed communal hatered
was implanted by British to ensure the stability of it's rule, specifically after the First
Indian War of Inpendence (1856-57), the so-called Sepoy Mutiny when Hindus and
Muslims joined hand-in-hand to fight against the British Raj. In the subsequent years
the British occupiers followed the policy of Divide and Rule that culminated in the
communal partion of India.As a result a large number of people got uprooted from
their ancestorial habitat, both sides of the border.
 
Pakistan was created as the homeland for the muslims of India. .
[another British created homeland is Israel for jews where the Palestanians
were uprooted from their ancestorial lands   ..........................]
 
MQM leader Altaf Hussain recently commented: The Partisan of India was
the greatest blunder in the history of Mankind....
See YouTube Videos:
[ (1) Partition of India was a Blunder in the history of mankind
 
(2) Partition of India a Blunder - Altaf Hussain
]
 
There was a disease .... the diagonosis and the solution (medicine/surgery)
were both wrong .... The patient is still alive and suffering  with many
side effects and many new ailments ....Historical processes follows a
zikzak path but reaches a new height and we should always hope
& pray for the best at the end .... [ you are right,
God created Bangladesh at the end.......tomorrow will be even a
better day ........and God will help the people of Babngladesh
to create a society where there will be no second class citizen
and equality of all people will be established in the truest sense,
irrespective of one's religion or ethnicity]
 
 
Different people have different perspective and different views on these
historical matters. As we all know, what has happended in history is past
and can't be changed or repaired....However we can create a better society
where animosities and bitterness between people and communities
cease to exist .....No matter where it happens, communal hatered
can not be justified on any pretext whatsoever......
 
There should be no denying of the reality that although Bangladesh
is a  secular muslim country communalism in various pockets
in the country still exists where hindus (and other minorities) are soft
targets of the criminals.
 
The communal attitude of all sorts at home must be totally abhorred and
condemned, not condoned.
 
Just like charity, the total eradication of communal attitude
should also start at home. We should not try to put our "dirts"
under the rugs .....As a nation we must establish "Zero Tolerance"
on all sorts of communalism: hidden or open.
 
[By the way, a zaminder is a tyrant sucker not because of his religion,
but because of the system that maximized his personal gains..
In Pakistan the zamindari System is still present, especially in the
provinces of Sindh and Punjab: http://www.answers.com/topic/zamindar 
We should all remember the torture suffered by Mukhtaran Mai under the
tribal zamindary power structure in Muzafforgarh district in west Punjab
- a recent news item-, June 2002]
 
Thanks for everyone's patience.
 
Syed Aslam
 
  
On 9/29/09, <siraj uddowllah@> wrote:

Dear All,

Last few debates which is going on in this column about secularism and communalism, if we go a bit in our past history, Muslims of East Bengal were the victims of torture by Hindu Zaminders and Muslims were put in a down trodden position and were given less facilities in all sphere of their life starting from education up to economic development as a whole. As a result Muslims used to remain poor and poorer in comparison to those Hindus and were the back and call of those Hindus and Hindu Zaminders as it is evident by one Muslim favoured Hindu writer Sharat Chandra Chattopaddya in his story "MOHESH". Of course there was another cottor anti-Muslim Hindu writer Bankim Chandra Bandopaddya was a serious anti-Muslims as is evident in all of his anti-Muslim writings. What Hindus are feeling now a days similarly before 1947 Muslims also living in their own majority Muslim populated home land in East Bengal used to feel like that.  

Due to all of these Muslims of East Bengal supported and voted overwhelmingly to join with Pakistan to create a separate state for the Muslims. Only one benefit we got being in one Pakistan our Muslims uplifted by their education and economically. Except these later on it was found again in creating Pakistan the idea of separate muslim state were completely spoiled and failed by some high headed Pakistani Army Generals, Pakistani rulers (I mean West Pakistani) and power hungry West Pakistani foolish Politician Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. We should not forget also if Pakistan would not be created at that time to-day there would be no Bangadesh, there would be another Kashmir and the fate of us would be similar to that of Kashmir even worst than that. 

Rferring to Mr. Shyamal Dutta what Mr. Syed Aslam told  is partially true as "According to the news item, Mr. Shayamol Dutta was only a key note speaker, who mentioned that in 1947-division was  based on communalism....that communalism created divisions among the people, the minorities (religious) have become aliens in their own land ......the remnants of communalism still exist......".  

By arranging a round table conference or raising hue and cry in New York (USA) by Hindu, Bouddhya, Christian Aikkay Porishod lead by Sitangshu Guha and many others, is there any benefit to create more bitterness and communal feeling? Whether that sorts of communal disturbances is prevailing in our country for which so much media propaganda is going on?

In 1947 when I was small and a school going student in Assam, I was an eye witness of those Hindu Muslim riots. Also riots flared up in Calcutta, West Bengal the history of which many of our younger generation don't know yet. 

My gratitude to the Late H.S. Sorwardy alongwith him our Bongo Bandhu Sk. Mujibur Rahman who came forward to the rescue of the Muslims of Calcutta by risking their lives at that very moment. Here I like to tell the history of the past only. Again I like to request not to see it in the communal viewpoint. Regards to all.

Dowllah.


 
 
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[chottala.com] Re: [chottala) Mr Syed Aslam ...If you want real charity it needs to think as a whole.



  

 

 Mr Syed Aslam ...

If you want real charity it needs to think as a whole.

 

It is better try to understand
What the actual reasons behind that for are happening such types of tragedy in India Bashkali & other places?
If you want real charity it needs to think as a whole.
It is also better to ask them & advise them who are thinking themselves as political leaders as political activists as media activists as human right activists as social workers as author & as news writers of news pagers & for media editors of news papers to be free minded honest thoughtful persons for thinking neutrally all people as human being one nation to write & to speak for all to establishing good administration under the system of lawful democracy at  justice of law for humanity & human right to all people not being communal minded  not creating communal feeling not creating classification among the people being selfish for earning something  .
 



--- On Wed, 30/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Ms Dina Khan, Portraying Bashkali Tragedy as mere "Ddacoity" is still questionable !
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 8:08 PM

 
Portraying Bashkali Tragedy as mere "Ddacoity" is still questionable !
 
 
Ms Dina Khan  
 
You diverting from the issue under discussion [your business as usual]
The topic was the ramnants of communalism that exist even today in
various pockets of Bangladesh, where minorities "soft targets" .
The communalism in India or other countries are beyond the scope
of current discussion.
 
Your comment about Islam as a religion is well understood.
But, question is how come Bangladesh being a land of the Musulmans,
all kinds of criminal activities and law & order problems premeates the
country?
 
Islamic sounding rethorics and "superiority" of Islam do not prevent the
criminals to continue with their henious activities in our Bangladesh.. ...
 
You have been wrongly accusing Mr. Shymal Datta on issues in
India. The meeting under discussion was arrainged by DORP 
not by Mr. Shymal Datta. Many others including the Deputy Speaker
of Bangladesh Parliament, Mr. Shawkat Ali, emphasized that
proclaiming a particular religion as the State Religion undermines
other religions in the country
Mr. Shayamol Dutta mentioned that in 1947-division was  based
on communalism ....that communalism created divisions among the
people, the minorities (religious) have become aliens in their own land
......the ramnants of communalism still exist ....
 
The puputrators of the criminals behind Banshkhali Taagedy, the so-called
docoits, are not punished because of heavy handedness by some politically
connected people. To many reputed commentator "the reason put forward
for Banskhali  massacre as something related to dacoity is far from
convincing. "
According to the lone surviving member  of the victim-family Bimol Sheel,
the criminals are now roaming freely & openly ...
 
There should be no denying of the reality that although Bangladesh
is a "moderate muslim country" communalism in various pockets
in the country still exists where hindus are soft targets of the criminals.
 
Even Madam Khaleda Zia just yesterday in her speech at Sirajgong,
mentioned that
"the AL is frequently speaking about secularism "but the party men
are grabbing property, houses and lands of Hindu community and
unleashed repression on them."
 
This indicates that ramnants of communalism do exist accross party
lines in our country and Mr. Shymal Datta's and other speakers'
concerns at the DORP seminar are genuine.
 
For sure, the communal violences in India or any other country must
be condemned, but that should be done in a different thread, not
while discussing Banshkhali Tragedy or any other communal
incidents at home. No matter how small it is, communalism at
home can not justified by any  pretext, whatsoever. The
communal attitude of all sorts at home must be totally
abhorred and condemned, not condoned.
 
Just like charity, the total eradication of communal attitude
should also start at home. We should not try to put our "dirts"
under the rugs .....As a nation we must establish "Zero Tolerance"
on all sorts of communalism: hidden or open.
 
PS: Bringing Norendra Modi and Guzrat riots & communal trends in India
while discussing the conference arranged by DORP is out and out an
outcome of communal attitude.. Mr. Shymal Datta may be right,
Mr. Shymal Datta may be wrong ... but neither himself nor the Hindus
in Bangladesh bear any responsibility for communal violences in
India [East Punjab Kashmir Gujrat Assam etc].
 
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
 
On 9/28/09, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Aslam,
 
Islam does not create communal feeling. Islam does not create any feeling to hate any body. Islam does not create any classification among the people as upper class or as lower class people. Islam is for justice of humanity & human right considering all human being as one human nation under the umbrella of loving peaceful family. Islam teaches the people to build successful personal life for loving married couple for building happy loving peaceful family which can help for building secure society for peaceful  nation & peaceful world.  Islam is religion for loving people for helping people not for burning people or not looting other's property not for doing any injustice to any body.
 
Bangladeshi lower class Hindus (Upper Class gone India) are not insecure in Bangladesh. Causes Bangladeshi Muslims are not communal minded at all. Causes Islam does not allow it. But Indian upper class Hindus are very sensitive minded & communal. Indian Muslims along other minority community & lower class Hindus are not secure in India
When Bangladeshi (lower) Hindus raise any question against the Muslim community in Bangladesh they should remember that they are better secured in Bangladesh than Indian Muslims & lower class Hindus. They should ask the Indian Government administration for taking lawful legal action against the communal activities done by upper class Hindu activists against the minority people in India & unlawfully killing & burning Muslims people in Kashmir Gujarat Assam & other places in India. Indian politician's policy is mainly responsible for. Creating riot & killing people in India & later Bangladesh.
Mr. Shymal Datta as an editor of Bhorer Khagag neutrally can write in the editorial Coolum for establishing humanity & human right in India considering the people as human nation not considering the people as minority or lower or upper caste people.
The reason of all problems is that there is no lawful good administration  at any where in Bangladesh India & Pakistan to establishing justice for humanity & human right under the system of lawful democracy. 
At some part of India such as East Punjab Kashmir Gujrat Assam & other places are being ruled by army controlled & army helped administration under system of so called democracy... In Pakistan it is seen that there all administrations are under Army control.
In Bangladesh it is better known to you than me, so 
How can you hope punishment to any Dacoit?
After 1/11
How many dacoits & chandabaj were arrested? Did you not read the news during the CTG Administration in Bangladesh
Are they not released with out punishment?  
Is it called lawful Administration or Justice of Democracy in Bangladesh?
Did you not read the speech of Mr. Jalil the EX GS & present Advisor of BAL?
Can you tell that Bangladesh is being ruled under lawful administration for establishing justice for humanity & human right?
What situations in India & Pakistan are?
Are the media people in Bangladesh or in India or in Pakistan writing or speaking any against inhuman activities without being communal to establishing humanity & human right for justice of law or for lawful democracy?
To solve of all problems
i)                     People specially the political leaders & the administrators in administrations are needed to be quality educated persons in learning to know what the real problems of the people & to learn how can be solved their problems by establishing lawful justice under lawful Administration for justice & do  
ii)                   Media people can be honest sincere in circulating correct news without creating any problem news by creating false news or by creating communal feeling & situations.
iii)                  The lawful system of lawful democracy can create lawful honest politicians & lawful media
iv)                  The lawful politicians can establish lawful administration for ruling the country in lawfully in doing trial against all criminal activities to establish social justice.
v)                    It needs for the leaders of the country to think positively for creating educated quality people nation wide quality education are needed to provide to all category people at least minimum standard for educating them as quality understanding persons for building quality nation.
The administration leaded by dacoit administrators under the dacoit politicians can never be done lawful trial against any dacoit for justice & quality educated people not also be created.
 
 


--- On Fri, 25/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Attention Ms Dina Khan, if Bashkali Tragedy was dacoity, why the criminals are not punished yet ?
To: chottala@yahoogroup s.com
Received: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 8:50 AM

 
If  Bashkali Tragedy was dacoity, why the criminals are not punished yet ?
Is there a cover-up by some powerful people?
 
WRT:
 
Ms Dina Khan
 
What are you talking about .......?
 
Do you still have questions in your mind that Hindus in
Bangladesh are a minority religious group?
 
Is not Islam a distinctly different religion than that of
Hinduism?
 
Have a reality check ....
 
Today's Bangladesh has a constitutionally declared
State Religion which is Islam...As such, the Hindus may be
deemed as second class citizens, according to many ...
Just because there is no seperate electorate for the Hindus
and the Muslims both in India and in Bangladesh does not
mean that communalism and persecution of religious
minorities is totally absent.
 
The communalism thrieves on social backwardness, fanaticism,
and narrow vested secterian interest, sometimes political
interest.
 
Please read the news item on the seminar organized
by DORP again:
before you continue to give further twist on the issue under discussion.
 
My point was "Mr. Siraj uddowllah brought Gujrat Incident out of context
which definitely had a communal undertone.
 
On the Bashkhali Tragedy your mentor Mr. Siraj uddowllah has every
right to pass his opinion & present his points of views "as a human right activist"
However, the seminar in question presented a different perspective.
It was organized by Developmental Organization of the Rural Poor [DORP].
The Deputy Speaker of Bangladesh Parliament, Mr. Shawkat Ali,
emphasized that proclaiming a particular religion as the State Religion
undermines other religions in the country.
 
According to the news item, Mr. Shayamol Dutta was only a key note speaker,
who mentioned that in 1947-division was  based on communalism ....that
communalism created divisions among the people, the minorities (religious)
have become aliens in their own land ......the ramnants of communalism still
exist ....
 
The other speakers also expressed their concerns on the disturbance
of communal harmony in our country.
 
 As we all know, the culprits of the Bashkhali killings has not
yet been punished. According to the lone surviving member  of the
victim-family Bimol Sheel, the criminals are now roaming freely ...
 
Is there a cover-up attempt to hide the crime? Why?
 
If  Bashkali Tragedy was a dacoity case, why the criminals are not punished yet ? Is  there some "powerful people"  behind the docoity?
Should not these criminals be given examplary punishment for
burning 11 people to death? Six years have already passed.....
 
I still wonder why Mr. Shayamol Dutta is being singled out by yourself [Ms Dina Khan] and  Mr. Siraj uddowllah for arranging the conference, although the conference was arranged by an organization called Developmental Organization of the Rural Poor [DORP].
 
Again, Ms Dina Khan you are  saying:
"Mr Aslam  Are you acting for cmmunal Raw? "
Can you explain you statement and tell us how do relate
your hypothesis with the issue under discussion.
Is that the only "LOGIC" you have?
 
Syed Aslam
 
 
On 9/24/09, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Attention Mr. Syed Aslam
You are forgetting the root of the point.
Why the Hindus are being called the minority people in Bangladesh??
Is not Bangladesh a country of secular democracy?
 Are the Hindus in Bangladesh casting their votes separately as minority people?
& Have they separate administration in Bangladesh as minority??
Why the Muslims in India are being called the minority people in India?
Is not India a democratic Secular country??
Are the Muslims in India casting their votes separately as minority people? & Have they separate administration In India as Muslims are minority people??
Answer is. < NO>
 
Why did Mr. Symol Dutta being an editor of a news paper & others being as human right activists call a round table conference in the name of minority community insecure in Bangladesh? 
Are they not creating communal feeling & communal situation by holding such of talking & meeting or conference ?   
It was better for ( them ) the editors of news (NEWS means News of north east west south) papers & for the so called human right activists to think for dicussing as a whole  what are the reasons what are the back ground behind that for happening such type accidents at any where in Bangladesh & at other part of the world including India.
But they had done it as communal activists not as an editor or as human right activists
Mr. Dowlla has passed his opinion as a human right activist not creating communal feeling.
 Mr Aslam
Are you acting for cmmunal Raw?
 
-- On Thu, 24/9/09, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] A family of Hindus in Bashkali were the victims of dacoity and not a reparcation of Guzrat incidents.
To: chottala@yahoogroup s.com

Received: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 1:31 AM

 
 
Dear All
 
Mr. Siraj uddowllah brought Gujrat Incident out of context in his original
blamed Mr. Shayamol Dutta for not arranging a conference on Guzrat
when there was a massacre of Muslims.
 
Mr. Siraj uddowlah went further to request the Bhorer Kagoj
owner Mr. Saber H. Chowdhuri to take action this one eyed
 hindu editor   . {anything personal ????? ]
 
Now, Mr. uddowllah is changing his stance.....: ::
He mentions that Bashkhali horror was  a case of docoity.
 
The tragic Bashkhali incident could be very well be the acts
of some miscreants who are docoits..... .
Mr. uddowllah should have mentioned that in the first place instead
of bringing Norendra Modi and Guzrat riots while discussing the
conference arranged by DORP.
 
Now, in his present post Mr. Siraj uddowllah says " A family of Hindus in
Bashkali were the victims of dacoity and not a reparcation of
Guzrat incidents."
 
Many people have indicated the incident as communal matter, which
may be  debatable, but I have not seen anyone calling the Bashkhali
tragedy a "reparcation of Guzrat incident ".
 
Can Mr. Siraj uddowllah point out where did someone has called the
Bashkhali Tragedy as the repurcation of Guzrat incident?
As far as I have seen Mr. Siraj uddowllah is the only person who brought
Guzrat massacre while talking about Bashkhali incident ...
 
I only objected to his bringing up the  issue of Gujrat Riots while
discussing an tragic incident at home. Mr. Siraj uddowllah's accusation
in chottala message # 10390  is misleading and totally unfounded.
There is no mix up in my position.... we should not just bring incidents
in India or any other country, out of context explicitly or implicitly, while
discussing a tragic incident in Bangladesh.
 
 
Mr. Siraj uddowllah is at liberty to discuss & condemn
Norendro Modi's crimes and Massacre of Muslims in a different
thread .... But, blaming Mr. Shayamol Dutta for not holding a
conference on Gujrat riot has definitely given his post a vivid
communal.undertone  ....... there  is an attitude problem that
thrieves on innuendoes .... 
 
There is no denying of the fact that there are many "pockets" in
Bangladesh where minorities, including the Hindus are soft targets
of the criminals, docoits and the land grabbers ......
 
Thanks for everyone's patience.
 
Syed Aslam
On 9/17/09, siraj uddowllah <siraj_58@hotmail. com> wrote:

Dear chottala readers,

I also wonder why Mr. Syed Aslam is trying to mix up the case of dacoity incidents with that of communal riots of Guzrat and twisting up the issue towards the communal side. There is no doubt the Bashkali incident was really an inhuman tragedy caused by some dacoits unluckily it was with the Hindu family which may be with the Muslim family also to loot money, ornaments and many other valuable articles according to their suitability and opportunity,  and if given any obstacles the nature of these inhuman dacoits to kill them also. There is no resemblance of this dacoity case and also not any reparcation of the communal incidents caused by the fanatic Hindus instigated by a so called well known top political leader of Guzrat happened to be a chief Minister of that particular area named Norendra Singh Modi doing all sorts of rampage, mass killing, looting the Muslim shop intentionally and causing killing of about hundreds or more Muslims by burning them alive mentioning to teach the Muslims how to burn according to the way of Hindu rituals. Not only that those notorious fanatic people tearing and burning our Holy Quran which we used to touch with respect.

The dacoits of Bashkali incidents if recognized and caught would definitely be punished by hanging them by our court of justice for committing such a heinous crime like killing some people of an innocent family even not required to arrange a round table conference also. Mr. Aslam has shown so many links and documents of  some commission made by the Indian high court but what happened for those known culprit especially for Norendra Singh Modi who was the root of all these incidents. He is freely moving in the common public place without any punishment given to him by the Indian high court yet. Because of his misdeeds he did in Guzrat he was refused to give any visa to U.S.A. even.  

Yes I quite agree what Mr. Syed Aslam says people of Bangladesh have every rights to discuss the issues of communal harmony at home, especially towards the minorities if they feel insecure and threatened due to sporadic incidents of intentional communal disharmony. The minorities should have enough assurance and guarantee that such incidents would not be repeated elsewhere in the country. But here in this case of dacoity why to get the smell of communal disharmony as our country not like that of India is well known  as an internationally recognised moderate Muslim country. Actually how much it is wise to mix up the dacoity incidents with the communal case of Guzrat. Can anybody suggest how to stop the dacoity case if it happened again and again suddenly in any place at any time. Is there any benefit of arranging such a round table conference by giving it a shape of a communal case as this was tried by the Editor of Bhorer Kagoz. Because this was not the case of communal disharmony and intolerance towards religious minorities.

Dowllah. 

The following posting by Syed Aslam on 16.9.2009: 

Hindus in Bangladesh do not bear any responsibility for the Gujrat riots......
Why blame them ?
 
 
 
Dear All
 
Like charity communal harmony should also  begin at home:
 
People of Bangladesh have rights to discuss the issues of communal
harmony at home, especially the minorities if they feel insecure and
threatened due to sporadic incidents. The minorities should have
enough assurance and gurranttee that such incidents would not be
repeated elsehere in the country.
 
Hindus in Bangladesh do not bear any responsibility
for the Gujrat riots and should not be blamed as such. The Gujrat riot
has been brought out of context while discussing Bashkhali tragedy.
And BTW, Development Orgnasination of the Rural Poor (DORP),
a non-government organization, arranged the seminar titled 'National
Seminar on Social Harmony and Rights- Banshkhali Tragedy' at
the National Press Club. 
 
Blaming Bangladeshi hindus in general or  Bhorer Kagoj editor
Mr. Shayamal  Dutta in particular, for not "arranging a round table
conference"  for incidents elsewhere [Gujrat riot] is essentially 
exhibits religious prejudice & intolerance through hidden aspersions
and innuendoes, and may lean towards communal provocation at
it's worst.
 
I wonder why Mr. Dowllah is mixing up issues?
 
The People of Bangladesh has maintained a very high degree of
communal harmony and tolerance towards religious minorities,
in general.  However, there are small pockets where  incidents of
violences against hindus (or other minorities) has occured
instgated by a narrow coterie of vested interest.
 
The Bashkhali incident  was one such tragedy.
Our nation should not condone any of such incidents under any
pretext whatsoever. Also, we should not put our dirts under the
rugs ..... We should maintain a  zero tolerance policy on all
sort of sectarianism and communalism in our country.
All sorts of communal violence and attrocities should be
exposed, condemned & punished.
 
Communal violences & attrocities in Gujrat on anywhere
in India or China can not justiy the same in Bangladesh.
FYI, Norendra Modi and his BJP cum Sangha Paribar &
Bojrong Dol  goons have been condenmed by the sane
voices in India and all over the world.
 
Norendra Modi has been barred fron entering USA several times
for his role in Gujrat  riots. Various Human Rights organisations in
India and USA have not only condemned but fighting for justice &
punishment of the real purputrators of 2002 Gujrat massacre of the
Muslims. The Human Rights organisations also played a  major role
in revoking Norendra Modi's US visa in 2008 and in his previous
attempt to visit USA.
 
Relared:
Special courts for Gujarat riots - BBC News:
'Gujarat riots had State support':
 

Syed Aslam
 
.
FW: [chottala.com] ˜State religion undermines others: Deputy speaker

Dear all chottala readers,

Mr. Shayamal Dutta editor of "Dainik Bhorer Kagoz" arranged a rounnd table conference regarding Bashkali incidents but why he did not arrange such type of conferences when thousands of Muslims were massacred and burned alive in Guzrat by a fanatic hindu chief Minister Norendra Singh Modi. The Bashkali hindu families were human being and Guzrat Muslims were not human? Mr. Shaymal Dutta is taking the full advantage of his being a hindu editor of a newspaper like "Bhorer Kagoz" to arrange such a conference about incidents of a hindu family in Bashkali. Being a responsible editor of a renowned newspaper like Bhorer Kagoz he should be above all sorts of religious prejudice. Mr. Saber Hossain Chowdhury owner of "Bhorer Kagoz" is requested to take action against this one eyed editor of highly reputed newspaper, being involved in trying to create a communal feeling of a peace loving peoples of secular Bangladesh

 
Dowllah.  


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RE: [chottala.com] 97 killed in "shootouts" or in custody in 9 months: Odhikar



Please use the following link: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/;  and see the Preamble of the Universal declaration of Human Rights states, "THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction." Also, the Article 5 of  The United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights state, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."
 
In this situation, no one must get killed during the custody. The system of Remanding must be abolished. All interrogation procedures must be in compliance with the UN Charters. No interrogation shall have physical torture, threat or any kinds of damaging (physical or psychological) activities.
 
However, when an armed groups attack any civilians or laW enforcement officers (LEOs), but civilians and LEOs must have the right to protect their own soul, bodies, families and properties. I have come to know from my relatives living in the distant interior villages in Bangladesh that the operations of the RABs eliminated most all the armed robbers, thieves, mustans, goondas, and Chadabuzes. after the introduction of the RABs, these armed groups fought directly face-to-face with arms, in the skirmishing style. RABs were very strong and dedicated against these armed elements who would quite often threaten and kill unarmed civilians. All my relatives who I spoke with, all said that the country is lot better off now with the RABs than their pre-existing periods. There must have been some killings but those were who did armed attacks on the civilians or the LEOs. In order to maintain the Law & Order in a society, I believe the armed gangsters, hoodlums, robbers, vicious elements must be eliminated by fighting or capturing and sending to the prisons for longest possible time, to save the society from their harms.
 

 

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From: Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:37:30 -0400
Subject: [chottala.com] 97 killed in "shootouts" or in custody in 9 months: Odhikar

 
97 killed in "shootouts" or in custody in 9 months: Odhikar
 
Fri, Oct 2nd, 2009 12:44 am BdST
Dhaka, Oct 1 (bdnews24.com)--A total of 97 people died in "shootouts" and in custody of law-enforcing agencies this year, said independent human-rights watchdog Odhikar.

In a press statement, Odhikar said on Thursday that it tallied the deaths until Sep 30 from Jan 1 this year.

It said 28 people were killed by elite force Rapid Action Battalion, 41 were killed by the police, while another 21 were killed in joint operations by RAB and police.

It said military, Ansar, jail police and forest guards are responsible for deaths of seven people.

Another 20 people died in so-called safe custody, said Odhikar.

The watchdog also said that a large number of journalists and media workers were harassed, tortured during this period while some faced cases.

It said two journalists were reportedly killed, 52 were injured, 48 were threatened and 14 were attacked.

Apart from that one journalist was kidnapped, 22 were assaulted and 13 were victim of false cases, the report said.

It also said that Indian border force BSF continued to violate human rights by attacking innocent people along the border with Bangladesh.

The BSF reportedly killed 82 Bangladeshis over last nine months.

Another 59 Bangladeshis were injured in BSF firing while 78 were kidnapped, said the report.

Ninety-two Bangladeshis were missing while 11 Bangla-speaking Indians have been pushed into Bangladesh by the BSF, it said.

Over last nine months, 338 women and children were reportedly raped.

Among the cases 158 were adult and the rest were children.

Fifty women and 22 children were killed after rape.

Of them, 68 women and 51 children were gang raped, it said.

Odhikar regularly prepares the human rights report mainly on the basis of information gleaned from newspapers.
 
Related:
 
 

One more extremist killed in Kushtia

Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Sep 25, 2009‎
Human-rights organisation 'Odhikar' said 19 people were killed in the country in August in so-called 'crossfire, encounter or gunfight', of whom 10 were ...
 
 

 




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