abid bahar wrote:
> Dear Anand:
> The article was about India -Bangladesh relations. It didn't say anything about Indian people but about Indian official policies toward Bangladesh. It angered you. You wrote:
> "DID YOU NOTICED THAT THE MORE BANGLADESH BECOMING ISLAMIC, THE MORE IS THE PROBLEMS? MORE ARE THE THIEFS? MORE ARE THE BEGGERS? MORE RAPES? MORE KILLINGS? THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF ISLAMIC COUNTRIES!"
>
> In the past, I met many Indians, I should say all of them were educated and rational people. Onc of them actually stayed at my place and even worshipped Rama in my guest room. He was a vegetaria; knowing that he was coming to visit us, we stopped eating beef. When he was late to arrive by train from New York, I and my wife became anxious, as if he was a family member. Here he came to visit a Bangladeshi, who was not a begger, nor a fundamentalist but that he knew how to treat people with respect. I must say this came from my Islamic tradition. The day he left us he emptied all his gifts for us. This is how I have dealings with people from India. The day I came to the West, the first night's dinner I had was at an Indian family from Delhi. He was my professor.
>
> Today, I met you, another Indian, Anand; you call Bangladeshis, "fundamentalist, beggers, communal minded."I realized that if I respond to you equally, I will only lower my standard to somebody who could say things that will be understandable only to his kind. So I will not reply to you using the same language. But I will quote a great man who knew Islam and the Prophet of Islam differently than you do. Bernard Shaw:
> " I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appear to me to possess that assimilating capacity to changing phase of existence which can make appeal to every age. I have studied him, the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an anti Christ, he must be called the savior of humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness. "
>
> Anand, I will not say anything about your god Rama, except that he must be good to his people. I will not even say anything bad about your monkey god. Honuman is a symbolic expression of a helper. But some people imitate it literally. So I will ask you to read an article written by an educated Indian about your type of people. After you read this, look your face in the mirror to find out who you are. If you have a bit of rationality, conscious or shame, I am sure you will hide your face from yourself; but if you ase a shallw Indian, silly one, neither you will be ashamed of yourself nor you will refrain from dealing with these very enlightened Bangladeshis, you are calling them "beggers."
> This is because you haven't learned to use the human language of showing respect to others. Educated Indians will be ashamed of you for your expressions! !
> Abid
>
> *The article for you.
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> Communalism, Caste and Hindu Nationalism
> The Violence in Gujarat
> Ornit Shani
> View Excerpt as PDF (148KB)
> Introduction
> Communalism has been an important theme in Indian politics since the 1880s. During the first three decades after independence, even after the partition of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan in 1947, no political force gained substantial power in the name of Hinduism. From the mid-1980s there has been a resurgence of a belligerent and new kind of Hindu nationalism in India's public life and in its political institutions. In the main, the Hindu nationalist movement has defined itself in opposition to Islam and Muslims. Hindu revivalists have promoted a claim that the Muslim minority in India threatens Hindus and have sought to establish India as a primarily Hindu nation ( rashtra ), based on a notion of Hindu ethos, values and religion. The ideology and politics of Hindutva â€" the quality of being a Hindu â€" was accompanied by a rapid increase in large-scale communal (Hinduâ€"Muslim) riots in the 1980s and 1990s. 1 Major communal
violence spread throughout India in 1990 and following the destruction of the Babri Masjid mosque at Ayodhya in 1992.
> Gujarat, one of India's most prosperous states, has been vital for the growth of communalism. Since the mid-1980s Gujarat became the site of recurring communal violence. The state turned into a nerve centre for the Hindu nationalist movement and has come to be seen as the Hindutva laboratory. The rising communalism in Gujarat culminated in a massacre of Muslims in many parts of the state in February 2002. The complicity of state officials in the killings raised doubts about the ability of the state to govern and to uphold the rule of law. It also demonstrated that such carnage in a country with one of the largest Muslim populations in the world had the potential for destabilising India's democracy and the secular consensus on which it was built.
> Hindu nationalist politics rose with the growth of the popularity of a family of extremist Hindu organisations, known as the Sangh Parivar. The most prominent organisations have been the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Bajrang Dal. These groups, with tens of thousands of members, had their origins, respectively, in the 1920s, 1960s and 1980s. The political face of the Hindutva movement, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), was founded in 1980 as a reconstitution of the Jan Sangh Party. Both at the national level and in Gujarat the BJP became a leading political force and came to power in the 1990s. In 1996 the party was able to form a minority government at the centre, but it fell after two weeks. In both the 1998 and 1999 parliament (Lok Sabha) elections the BJP emerged as the largest party, winning 182 out of the 543 Lok Sabha seats, forming a government with its allies in the National
> Democratic Alliance. The BJP and its allies lost the 2004 elections, with BJP seats in parliament declining to 138, even though its share of the vote only decreased slightly.
> The BJP's Performance in the Parliament (Lok Sabha) and Gujarat Assembly Elections 2
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>     Parliament (Lok Sabha)
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> % of vote
> No. of seats
> % of vote
> No. of seats
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> 1980
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> 14.02
> 9
> 1984
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> 7.40
> 2
> 1985
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> 14.96
> 11
> 1989
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> 11.36
> 85
> 1990
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> 26.69
> 67
> 1991
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> 20.07
> 120
> 1995
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> 42.51
> 121
> 1996
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> 20.29
> 161
> 1998
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> 44.81
> 117
> 25.59
> 182
> 1999
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> 23.75
> 182
> 2002
>
> 49.85
> 127
> 2004
>
> 22.16
> 138
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> Communalism has conventionally been understood by scholars, colonial administrators and policy makers as a sectarian conflict between Hindus and Muslims. In recent years, a significant scholarship has questioned the sectarian nature of this conflict. This book is a contribution to this literature, and sets out to trace the nature of the revival of communalism since the 1980s from a different point of departure. Its central hypothesis is that the growth of communalism in the last two decades of the twentieth century did not lie in Hinduâ€"Muslim antagonism alone. The growing appeal of Hindutva, and its inherent
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> ----- Original Message ---- From: Anand Anand <banglabandhu@ gmail.com> To: khabor@yahoogroups. com Cc: dhakamails@yahoogro ups.com; notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; alochona@yahoogroup s.com; mbimunshi@gmail. com; zoglul@hotmail. co.uk; rehman.mohammad@ gmail.com; premlaliguras@ hotmail.com; bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com; vbrawat@gmail. com; abidbahar@yahoo. com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:55:24 PM Subject: Re: [ khabor.com ] 7 Reasons Why Bangladesh Should Never Allow Transit to India
> I WONDER IF IT WAS NOT INDIA, BUT A MUSLIM COUNTRY, SHALL ALL THE FOLKS WOULD SAY THE SAME? CENTER OF ALL REASONING IS COMMUNALISM, IT IS HARD FOR THESE PEOPLE TO GO BEYOND COMMUNALISM! !
> DID YOU NOTICED THAT THE MORE BANGLADESH BECOMING ISLAMIC, THE MORE IS THE PROBLEMS? MORE ARE THE THIEFS? MORE ARE THE BEGGERS? MORE RAPES? MORE KILLINGS? THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF ISLAMIC COUNTRIES!
> HAVE FUN!!
> 2008/7/17 Isha Khan < bd_mailer@yahoo. com >:
> 7 Reasons Why Bangladesh Should Never Allow Transit to India
>
> By Abid Bahar, Canada
> The issue is, the CTG is not an elected government and transit is an issue related to sovereignty, security and economic factors. The News Today Monday July 14 2008 reported: "The [CTG] government earlier was sympathetic about the transit issue. It was in a mood to propose to India to conduct a feasibility study on the rail transit but the Indian High Commissioner' 's public statement on this sensitive issue has forced the government to change its earlier position" the source said. Why should CTG show interest in it is question repeatedly asked in Bangladesh! Why Bangladesh should never allow transit to India. Here are the reasons: 1. India has proven itself as an untrustworthy friend. During the liberation war, while helping Bangladesh liberation, it secretly built the Farakka dam. "Farakka was commissioned on permission from Mujib on the condition that it will have test run for only 40 days. But unfortunately those 40 days is yet to
> be finished (even after 37 years) and Bangladesh is getting the pinch of dry rivers. Further 54 other international waters were stopped by the friend of BAL making barrage/dams/ groins virtually making lower riparian country Bangladesh's rivers dry." During Mujib time, the Rakkhi Bahini head was made an Indian. The jute head quarter was transferred to Delhi. With the Mujib -Indira Pact, river demarcation based on the mid current was made a farce. Bangladesh is losing land. It is now a serious problem. Mujib was persuaded to hand over the sovereignty of "BERUBARI" in return of "Tin Bigha."But Tin Bigha was never returned. A Berline wall was built in Bengal to so-called stop Bangladeshis cross the border. India jammed the Bangladesh TV. As a matter of target practice, India regularly kills Bangladeshi joans in the border region. Even before the investigation, India blames Bangladesh for terrorist actions within its borders. "Due to sinking
> of several ships in Chittagong Port during Liberation War..., it was difficult to import ...essentials for war torn Bangladesh. Bangladesh requested India to just to allow using Calcutta Port for only six months in 1972. India refused the request." "Bangladesh wanted only 16 miles transit to pave for easy trade between two SAARC countries Bangladesh and Nepal." But it was refused. Now India wants 600 miles of corridor. Bangladesh should never allow transit to India. 2. Without the transit, India's seven non Indian sisters in the North East that now depend on Bangladesh for manufactured goods, but with transit, India will sell its own product to the region and Bangladesh will lose. 3. India doesn't want to allow Bangladesh to have land route with Nepal and Bhutan which is purely for trade purpose, India shows the excuse that it goes against its territorial integrity, using the same logic Bangladesh can not allow transit. 4.
> Financial benefit from transit fees would outweigh its other disadvantages. Bangladesh would risk destroying its own roads and highways, infect its citizens AIDS. Roads and highways will be neglected by the chauvinistic Indian traders and military personnel are passing through Bangladesh's heartland. 5. India is an unreliable keeper of promises. It failed to keep up to the signed treaties of Barubari/ Farakka. India first fix these problems than only trust building will lead to transit.. RAW fed Indian chauvinistic government will never go for a fair deal because its sole purpose is to help Bangladesh into a failed state. 6. Transit through Bangladesh will allow India to increase its repression in its occupied North East. For such repression, Bangladesh suffered in the hand of Pakistan and now as a peace-loving country, it shouldn't allow India to increase its repression over its non Hindi/ largely Asian/ Christian and Buddhist minority
> people unfortunately made part of India. At the same time such a deal would make Indian separatists rebels make Bangladesh a target. 7. Indian treaties are politically motivated. While Mujib signed the Mujib-Indra Treaty 25 year treaty results in the beginning of trade deficit, water shortage, border issues dispute, and dependence on India resulting in the India friendly Mujib's unpopularity and within a short period of time made Bangladesh bankrupt, "the bottomless basket case" and brought his own death. If the past experience with India is a guide, it is believed that people in favor of transit to India are the ignorant India- lovers popularly known in Bangladesh as the "Indian Razakars" who are inviting trouble for Bangladesh. For such an issue we suggest for a national referendum. If people decide, let it be, if not, never! Why the CTG to bother on the transit issue which the former two governments? It appears that the CTG was brought
> to power by groups aligned with foreign powers, one of them is India. The CTG brought to power through the excuse of anarchy. It seems it is showing its responsibility to its constituency- India. It was through the AL led unrest and anarchy in late 2006-2007 that evaded the 90 days limit of the CTG duration. It appears that the CTG's corruption charges are not real but to have the minus 2 policy and to install a future Moin U military government! This is now evident in General Moin U receiving the Indian 7 horses. As it appears, Bangladesh is infested with RAW agents and unrest in the cities and in tribal areas continues while countries like Vietnam and Singapore continues the pace of development. If allowed transit within the country, it will be bringing crocodile through digging a canal. Once transit is given, Bangladesh will not be in a position to take it back. India is increasingly becoming powerful. It will kill Bangladeshis
> with the excuse of being terrorists or drug -dealers, as US does in Columbia with its puppet government. India also has super connection with the Super Power US- Israel. For Bangladesh, India is a danger in the making! Never allow transit to India! India is building war fleets and torpedoes to keep its growing power from Africa up to Australia in the Indian Ocean. Without the transit, Bangladesh's existence is almost threatened but with transit, like the US-Pak former friendships, and today's Pakistan, Bangladesh will be a breeding ground for anti-US- Indian fundamentalism. Never allow transit to India! Finally, why India is forcing Bangladesh's nonelected government for a deal? The answer is India is not a trustworthy friend. Its attitude is to create pressure and seek concession. Bangladesh to survive should never allow transit to India. Bush''s New Cons in Bangladesh! Why Hasina is silent? The other development that "US
> Marine Corps wants to survey BD-India border-Collecting detailed terrain intelligence. US has asked for detailed terrain information about major cities including Dhaka as well as for details of all airports and airstrips in Bangladesh." Who are these people taking advantage of the CTG government? Are these the Americans or Bush's New Cons? Link: The Bangladesh Today: US Marine Corps want to survey BD-India border-Collecting detailed terrain intelligence http://www.banglade sh-web.com/ view.php? hidRecord= 210183 Bangladeshis Unite! Fight against the CTG for an Elected Government! Save our Motherland Bangladesh! Abid Bahar, Canada E Mail : abidbahar@yahoo. com
> http://newsfrombang ladesh.net/ view.php? hidRecord= 210559
>
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