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Thursday, March 24, 2011

Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!

Bangaldesh is suffering
Because
Education and system of education and teaching staff in Bangladesh does not follow any quality knowledge to create quality knowledge honest politicians quality knowledge educated understanding rules of law makers and quality knowledge educated understanding honest administrators and to educate all people in Bangladesh to know and to understand what the right and what the wrong and to know what the difference between right and wrong between false and true.

--- On Thu, 24/3/11, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, abid.bahar@gmail.com, Ovimot@yahoogroups.com, faruquealamgir@gmail.com, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, farid2002hossain@hotmail.com, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, modzaman@gmail.com, mahmudurart@yahoo.com, alapon@yahoogroups.com
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> Dear Mr.
> Abid:
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> Assalamualaikum.
> Thanks for your
> response towards my posting. In my 40 years of life I
> didn’t see many Bangladeshis with good political
> consciousness. We are overly biased with our political
> ideology. No matter how educated we are, we simply
> can’t go beyond our loyalty towards the preferred
> party/ideology.
>  
> With no offence to
> Manna sir and all the respected teacher’s in these
> forums, in our student life, we observed how teachers
> (mostly who thought in the public universities in
> Bangladesh) are busy
> aligning themselves among Shada, Neel, Holud and Golapi
> panels. We also observed how the best student can’t
> become a teacher if he/she doesn’t get the blessing
> from those color coded panels. Contrary, how ordinary
> student become a teacher with the help of same color coded
> panels.
>  
> It is also worth
> to mention that it is our Sir’s who polluted the
> student politics and used us (students) to become the leader
> of the above mentioned colored coded panels and the ultimate
> price is becoming VC. Now days, some of them do politics in
> the public university and teaches in the private
> ones.
>  
> Saying that, it is
> also acknowledged, there are still teachers’ left who
> does genuinely teaching job. That’s why we still have
> institution like BUET and IBA to name a few.
>  
> Now, one can ask,
> can’t teacher be involved in politics! Of course they
> can. But they can’t encourage students to be a part
> of it and should leave it out side the institution, at least
> to some extent.
>  
> Thanks
> again.
>  
> Helal
> Toronto,
> Canada.
>  
> PS: I request all
> the respected teacher’s in these forums to not to
> take my writing personally. And I hope my writing is not
> towards them as they don’t fall into the
> teacher’s category I mentione above. As I said, there
> are many honorable teachers’ in Bangladesh, who is keeping
> the teaching profession with minimal financial compensation.
> And some of them still help their student to become
> extraordinary human being. We still visited them and touched
> their feet out of outmost respect because they deserve it.
> Whenever I go home, I make sure to visit few of my teachers
> who taught me throughout my life to be a better human being.
> Not necessarily, to be the best student. One of them
> is Samar Kanti Chowdhury sir, who thought be from Grade 1
> to 6. I wish all the teacher’s in Bangladesh is just like
> him.
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>   ---
> On Wed, 3/23/11, abid bahar
> <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col.
> Taher Case.
> To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, abid.bahar@gmail.com,
> Ovimot@yahoogroups.com, faruquealamgir@gmail.com,
> farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, farid2002hossain@hotmail.com,
> notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, modzaman@gmail.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 7:26 PM
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> Hasina Fooling People with the Rule of Law
> Abid Bahar
> Professor Mannan is a very enlightened person but at
> the same time I read him in his work that he is an overly
> enthuasistic pro AL person as well. He is an honorable
> person. I don't think I am qualified to say anything to
> increase his enlightenment about Bangladesh politics but I
> want to say one thing to help him understand about his
> enthuasism that with the AL appointed judges some
> of whom were vendals and one was a murder accused, the
> judgement about Taher who was the killer of many innocent
> army offices for implimenting his vision of a
> the then Chinese style sepoy army, Hasina's is
> clearly politically motivated. In this judgement there is
> nothing to celebrate unless you are a hardcore Awami Leaguer
> enthusiast.
> Additionally, it says what is legal is not always
> moral. Example: If the fascist leader Sadam made laws, or
> Gaddafi or Mujib with their one party rule, made
> laws, in Mujib's case when the elected
> Mujib denying the people's mandate made laws to
> supress the opposition installed one party rule, killing the
> opposition with his High Court laws, or killing
> Siraj Sikdar without laws and boosting about it,  it
> was simply a betrayal with the people who voted him to
> power. In the end such leaders as was Saddam with his two
> children were killed by the invasion forces, Mujib with his
> two children were killed by Bangladesh army and another
> dictator Gadafi calling himself as a revolutionary stays in
> power for decades now killing his countryman with the same
> fascist rule of law and who knows what awaits for him as
> well.  
> In Hasina's case keeping Mahmudur Rahman, the
> editor of a newspaper in jail by Hasina's
> court was legal but abusing power through courts was
> neither democratic nor moral. True, politicians
> and their enthuasiasts are fooling and ruling people with
> the excuse of rule of law- is a village headman style
> politics brought to the city to convince some already
> enlightened people fighting against dictators and fascist
> regimes worldwide.
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> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011
> at 11:25 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear
> Manna Sir:
> Assalamualaikum.
> Thanks for sharing your comment on High courts verdict on
> Taher killing.
> Sir,
> in the last few weeks there were many email circling around
> regarding this matter. I also posted a thread few days back.
> I would be honored to hear your feedback in regards of my
> below statement:
> “Assalamua'laikum.
> Ok, for the sake of argument, I accept your notion that
> Ziaur Rahman was a cold blooded murderer for killing Col
> Taher. Then, do you also accept that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
> was also a cold blooded murderer for killing Siraj Sikdar! I
> hope you must read or remember when Bongbondhu proclaimed,
> where is Siraj Sikdar after he was assassinated.�
> I’m really
> looking fwd to have a knowledgeable discussion with you
> regarding the hypocrisy in our today’s society when
> it comes to discussing Mujib/Zia, India/Pakistan, Tarek/Joy,
> and so on.
> Sir, I
> can assume how busy your life is however, your response is
> much appreciated.
> Helal
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> --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
> Subject: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
> To: khabor@yahoogroups.com,
> alapon@yahoogroups.com,
> chottala@yahoogroups.com,
> "Miro Jangi" <mjangi@yahoo.com>,
> Diagnose@yahoogroups.com,
> "shahid mahmud" <shahid6609@yahoo.com>,
> "sultan chowdhury" <chottalasultan@yahoo.com>,
> "Saad Andaleeb" <saadandaleeb@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:21 AM
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> High Court has given a verdict that the hanging of
> Col. Taher by Gen. Zia was a cold blooded murder and the
> lone person responsible for it was General Zia. The Court
> also ruled that Zia was also directly  involved in the
> killing of Bangabandhu Sk. Mujib.
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Re: [chottala.com] Re: To our respected Teachers!



To my friends well wishers and  others.

I never subscribed to JSD politics and was never a follower of AL politics blindly. I try to be objective as far as possible. May be I am a bit biased towards the politics of AL as I cannot be with any politics of BNP for obvious reasons.  I also have many critics in AL who thinks I should not speak some truths so bluntly they do not like. Now for the trial of Col. Taher. His deeds on 7th. November was not under trial but his trial was. The trial of Col. Taher was a miscarriage of justice and absolutely non transparent. I expect to write on this. Even the trial of killing of Zia was to some extent more transparent though many wrong people were tried (it included quite a few of my childhood friends). I never supported his deeds on 7th. November and I will say so.

Many wishes of our Independence day.

Have a nice day.

Mannan

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Dear Mr. Abid:

 

Assalamualaikum. Thanks for your response towards my posting. In my 40 years of life I didn't see many Bangladeshis with good political consciousness. We are overly biased with our political ideology. No matter how educated we are, we simply can't go beyond our loyalty towards the preferred party/ideology.

 

With no offence to Manna sir and all the respected teacher's in these forums, in our student life, we observed how teachers (mostly who thought in the public universities in Bangladesh) are busy aligning themselves among Shada, Neel, Holud and Golapi panels. We also observed how the best student can't become a teacher if he/she doesn't get the blessing from those color coded panels. Contrary, how ordinary student become a teacher with the help of same color coded panels.

 

It is also worth to mention that it is our Sir's who polluted the student politics and used us (students) to become the leader of the above mentioned colored coded panels and the ultimate price is becoming VC. Now days, some of them do politics in the public university and teaches in the private ones.

 

Saying that, it is also acknowledged, there are still teachers' left who does genuinely teaching job. That's why we still have institution like BUET and IBA to name a few.

 

Now, one can ask, can't teacher be involved in politics! Of course they can. But they can't encourage students to be a part of it and should leave it out side the institution, at least to some extent.

 

Thanks again.

 

Helal

Toronto, Canada.

 

PS: I request all the respected teacher's in these forums to not to take my writing personally. And I hope my writing is not towards them as they don't fall into the teacher's category I mentione above. As I said, there are many honorable teachers' in Bangladesh, who is keeping the teaching profession with minimal financial compensation. And some of them still help their student to become extraordinary human being. We still visited them and touched their feet out of outmost respect because they deserve it. Whenever I go home, I make sure to visit few of my teachers who taught me throughout my life to be a better human being. Not necessarily, to be the best student. One of them is Samar Kanti Chowdhury sir, who thought be from Grade 1 to 6. I wish all the teacher's in Bangladesh is just like him.

 

 

 --- On Wed, 3/23/11, abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:


From: abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, abid.bahar@gmail.com, Ovimot@yahoogroups.com, faruquealamgir@gmail.com, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, farid2002hossain@hotmail.com, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, modzaman@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 7:26 PM

 
Hasina Fooling People with the Rule of Law
Abid Bahar
Professor Mannan is a very enlightened person but at the same time I read him in his work that he is an overly enthuasistic pro AL person as well. He is an honorable person. I don't think I am qualified to say anything to increase his enlightenment about Bangladesh politics but I want to say one thing to help him understand about his enthuasism that with the AL appointed judges some of whom were vendals and one was a murder accused, the judgement about Taher who was the killer of many innocent army offices for implimenting his vision of a the then Chinese style sepoy army, Hasina's is clearly politically motivated. In this judgement there is nothing to celebrate unless you are a hardcore Awami Leaguer enthusiast.
Additionally, it says what is legal is not always moral. Example: If the fascist leader Sadam made laws, or Gaddafi or Mujib with their one party rule, made laws, in Mujib's case when the elected Mujib denying the people's mandate made laws to supress the opposition installed one party rule, killing the opposition with his High Court laws, or killing Siraj Sikdar without laws and boosting about it,  it was simply a betrayal with the people who voted him to power. In the end such leaders as was Saddam with his two children were killed by the invasion forces, Mujib with his two children were killed by Bangladesh army and another dictator Gadafi calling himself as a revolutionary stays in power for decades now killing his countryman with the same fascist rule of law and who knows what awaits for him as well.  
In Hasina's case keeping Mahmudur Rahman, the editor of a newspaper in jail by Hasina's court was legal but abusing power through courts was neither democratic nor moral. True, politicians and their enthuasiasts are fooling and ruling people with the excuse of rule of law- is a village headman style politics brought to the city to convince some already enlightened people fighting against dictators and fascist regimes worldwide.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Dear Manna Sir:
Assalamualaikum. Thanks for sharing your comment on High courts verdict on Taher killing.
Sir, in the last few weeks there were many email circling around regarding this matter. I also posted a thread few days back. I would be honored to hear your feedback in regards of my below statement:
"Assalamua'laikum. Ok, for the sake of argument, I accept your notion that Ziaur Rahman was a cold blooded murderer for killing Col Taher. Then, do you also accept that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was also a cold blooded murderer for killing Siraj Sikdar! I hope you must read or remember when Bongbondhu proclaimed, where is Siraj Sikdar after he was assassinated."
I'm really looking fwd to have a knowledgeable discussion with you regarding the hypocrisy in our today's society when it comes to discussing Mujib/Zia, India/Pakistan, Tarek/Joy, and so on.
Sir, I can assume how busy your life is however, your response is much appreciated.

Helal


--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
Subject: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com, alapon@yahoogroups.com, chottala@yahoogroups.com, "Miro Jangi" <mjangi@yahoo.com>, Diagnose@yahoogroups.com, "shahid mahmud" <shahid6609@yahoo.com>, "sultan chowdhury" <chottalasultan@yahoo.com>, "Saad Andaleeb" <saadandaleeb@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:21 AM


 
High Court has given a verdict that the hanging of Col. Taher by Gen. Zia was a cold blooded murder and the lone person responsible for it was General Zia. The Court also ruled that Zia was also directly  involved in the killing of Bangabandhu Sk. Mujib.

Mannan

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Blood and Tears - Chapter 4: Massacres in Chandraghona, Rangamati PDF Print E-mail
Written by Qutubuddin Aziz

 

Blood and Tears - Chapter 4: Massacres in Chandraghona, Rangamati PDF Print E-mail
Written by Qutubuddin Aziz

 

যশোর গনহত্যার প্রকৃত ঘটনা

http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/blog/speechless/32559

 

এমন এক আজিব দেশে আমাদের জন্ম,যেখানে স্বাধীনতার ইতিহাস দুই ধরনের এবং পরস্পর বিরোধী।পৃথিবীতে এমন নজির আর আছে কিনা আমাদের জানা নেই।অনেক নতুন নতুন তথ্য এখন বেরিয়ে আসছে।

 Blood and Tears

 Written by Qutubuddin Aziz   

BITTER TRUTH: Civilians massacred in Jessore in 1971 ? but by whom?

 

The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies.

 

RECOGNITION DENIED: Father and son killed in Dhaka in 1971

 

The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: 'April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.' It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war.

 

It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites.

 

Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again ? taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: 'The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.'

 

The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the BBC and The Times. There was no reason to think he would will fully mislabel a photo of a massacre.

 

And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them?

 

It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn't committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists.

 

It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan's military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh's independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed.

 

Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in salwar kameez ? an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or 'Biharis', the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India.

 

As accounts from the involved parties ? Pakistan, Bangladesh and India ? tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The New York Times carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: 'East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.' The Washington Post carried it too, right under its masthead: 'The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.' "East Pakistani sources said", and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo.

 

In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled 'Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,' The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. "Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib," wrote Tomalin, "we saw another 40 Punjabi "spies" being taken towards the killing ground?"

 

Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the "mid-day murder" of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos ? one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali "irregulars" were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment.

 

Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government's control. Like many other places, "local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control" in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians.

 

Tomalin records the local Bengalis' claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore.

 

There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother's bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man's body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet.

 

Amar Sur's anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a 'shaheed,' but their home was declared 'vested property' by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League ? support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 ? did nothing to redress this when they formed the government.

 

In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son's dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: 'Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army'. Foreigners might just have mistaken the 'lungi' worn by Sur for a 'saree', but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a 'lungi' when they see one! And why present the same 'body' twice?

 

The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. The New York Times and The Washington Post "bought" that story too. The media's reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times.

 

As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims ?Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims ? were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.

 

সোর্স:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/look/story_5969733.asp

 

 

Massacres in Chandraghona, Rangamati

http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ebooks/blood-and-tears.html?start=5

 

Behind the myth of 3 million

http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ebooks/myth-of-3-million/download.html



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Dear Mr. Abid:

 

Assalamualaikum. Thanks for your response towards my posting. In my 40 years of life I didn't see many Bangladeshis with good political consciousness. We are overly biased with our political ideology. No matter how educated we are, we simply can't go beyond our loyalty towards the preferred party/ideology.

 

With no offence to Manna sir and all the respected teacher's in these forums, in our student life, we observed how teachers (mostly who thought in the public universities in Bangladesh) are busy aligning themselves among Shada, Neel, Holud and Golapi panels. We also observed how the best student can't become a teacher if he/she doesn't get the blessing from those color coded panels. Contrary, how ordinary student become a teacher with the help of same color coded panels.

 

It is also worth to mention that it is our Sir's who polluted the student politics and used us (students) to become the leader of the above mentioned colored coded panels and the ultimate price is becoming VC. Now days, some of them do politics in the public university and teaches in the private ones.

 

Saying that, it is also acknowledged, there are still teachers' left who does genuinely teaching job. That's why we still have institution like BUET and IBA to name a few.

 

Now, one can ask, can't teacher be involved in politics! Of course they can. But they can't encourage students to be a part of it and should leave it out side the institution, at least to some extent.

 

Thanks again.

 

Helal

Toronto, Canada.

 

PS: I request all the respected teacher's in these forums to not to take my writing personally. And I hope my writing is not towards them as they don't fall into the teacher's category I mentione above. As I said, there are many honorable teachers' in Bangladesh, who is keeping the teaching profession with minimal financial compensation. And some of them still help their student to become extraordinary human being. We still visited them and touched their feet out of outmost respect because they deserve it. Whenever I go home, I make sure to visit few of my teachers who taught me throughout my life to be a better human being. Not necessarily, to be the best student. One of them is Samar Kanti Chowdhury sir, who thought be from Grade 1 to 6. I wish all the teacher's in Bangladesh is just like him.

 

 

 --- On Wed, 3/23/11, abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:


From: abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chottala.com] Re: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
To: chottala@yahoogroups.com, abid.bahar@gmail.com, Ovimot@yahoogroups.com, faruquealamgir@gmail.com, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, farid2002hossain@hotmail.com, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, modzaman@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 7:26 PM

 
Hasina Fooling People with the Rule of Law
Abid Bahar
Professor Mannan is a very enlightened person but at the same time I read him in his work that he is an overly enthuasistic pro AL person as well. He is an honorable person. I don't think I am qualified to say anything to increase his enlightenment about Bangladesh politics but I want to say one thing to help him understand about his enthuasism that with the AL appointed judges some of whom were vendals and one was a murder accused, the judgement about Taher who was the killer of many innocent army offices for implimenting his vision of a the then Chinese style sepoy army, Hasina's is clearly politically motivated. In this judgement there is nothing to celebrate unless you are a hardcore Awami Leaguer enthusiast.
Additionally, it says what is legal is not always moral. Example: If the fascist leader Sadam made laws, or Gaddafi or Mujib with their one party rule, made laws, in Mujib's case when the elected Mujib denying the people's mandate made laws to supress the opposition installed one party rule, killing the opposition with his High Court laws, or killing Siraj Sikdar without laws and boosting about it,  it was simply a betrayal with the people who voted him to power. In the end such leaders as was Saddam with his two children were killed by the invasion forces, Mujib with his two children were killed by Bangladesh army and another dictator Gadafi calling himself as a revolutionary stays in power for decades now killing his countryman with the same fascist rule of law and who knows what awaits for him as well.  
In Hasina's case keeping Mahmudur Rahman, the editor of a newspaper in jail by Hasina's court was legal but abusing power through courts was neither democratic nor moral. True, politicians and their enthuasiasts are fooling and ruling people with the excuse of rule of law- is a village headman style politics brought to the city to convince some already enlightened people fighting against dictators and fascist regimes worldwide.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Helal Ahmed <huahmed@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Dear Manna Sir:
Assalamualaikum. Thanks for sharing your comment on High courts verdict on Taher killing.
Sir, in the last few weeks there were many email circling around regarding this matter. I also posted a thread few days back. I would be honored to hear your feedback in regards of my below statement:
"Assalamua'laikum. Ok, for the sake of argument, I accept your notion that Ziaur Rahman was a cold blooded murderer for killing Col Taher. Then, do you also accept that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was also a cold blooded murderer for killing Siraj Sikdar! I hope you must read or remember when Bongbondhu proclaimed, where is Siraj Sikdar after he was assassinated."
I'm really looking fwd to have a knowledgeable discussion with you regarding the hypocrisy in our today's society when it comes to discussing Mujib/Zia, India/Pakistan, Tarek/Joy, and so on.
Sir, I can assume how busy your life is however, your response is much appreciated.

Helal


--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abdul Mannan <abman1971@gmail.com>
Subject: [KHABOR] Verdict of Col. Taher Case.
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com, alapon@yahoogroups.com, chottala@yahoogroups.com, "Miro Jangi" <mjangi@yahoo.com>, Diagnose@yahoogroups.com, "shahid mahmud" <shahid6609@yahoo.com>, "sultan chowdhury" <chottalasultan@yahoo.com>, "Saad Andaleeb" <saadandaleeb@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:21 AM


 
High Court has given a verdict that the hanging of Col. Taher by Gen. Zia was a cold blooded murder and the lone person responsible for it was General Zia. The Court also ruled that Zia was also directly  involved in the killing of Bangabandhu Sk. Mujib.

Mannan

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Comment from Ayesha Siddiqa [ http://casi.ssc.upenn.edu/visiting/siddiqa ]  on Sarmila Bose' s recent book:




Mar 23, 2011 07:16:29 PM, ayesha.siddiqa@gmail.com wrote:
I can claim to have seen Sarmila's book grow in front of my eyes. We were together in DC in 2004-05 when she started writing her book. It was pointed out to her even then that there was serious problem with her presentation. First, most of her information was gleaned from one particular source. She has been wined and dined by Pakistani military establishment on several occasions. Second, her framework is flawed. Sure when violence happens then a lot of people are involved. However, the problem with her presentation is that it makes both sides look alike without telling the difference that an aggressor's violence is different from a victim's. Had the aggressor not done what it did, the victim may not have responded the same way. The problem is not even in finding the correct numbers of people who died or women who were raped. The more annoying and unforgivable part is that this was state policy. I have never managed to understand what Sarmila wanted to do with this kind of a book. Surely, it will be a best seller in Pakistan. All military colleges, institutes and academies will buy the book and tell the rest of us who are critical of the institution how an Indian had better things to say about it.

Sarmila's book is indeed problematic as are a couple of other titles that Hurst is publishing this year.

Cheers
ayesha 

Ayesha Siddiqa

Author and Defense Analyst
Appearance Date: 
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Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa is the author of two books – Military Inc, Inside Pakistan's Military Economy and Pakistan's Arms Procurement and Military Buildup, 1979-99: In Search of a Policy – on defense decision-making and political-economy of the military. She has 17 years work experience in research, consulting, teaching, and running public sector projects with a particular focus on defense decision-making, defense economics, arms procurement and production, and revolution in military affairs (RMA) in South Asia.

Dr. Siddiqa has worked extensively on national security policymaking, military strategy, and the politics of Pakistan and South Asia. She is currently working the politics of democracy and development in the developing world, with special emphasis on Asia and Latin America, two regions which are crucial for understanding the subject, and the politics of Islam in Asia.

She has a B.A. from the Kinnaird College for Women in Lahore, Pakistan, an M.A. in Political Science from the University of Punjab, Lahore, and a Ph.D. from King's College, University of London, UK.

She was also a visiting faculty member at the South Asia Studies Department for Spring 2008.

 

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