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Thursday, May 1, 2008

[chottala.com] The birth of Peoples Republic of Bangladesh is the collapse of "Two nation theory" on which Pakistan was created.

 
Mr. Md. Mostafa Kamal
 
Here you go ! Hope, you understand the real underlying theme of the
Somokal article.
 
The Failure of two nation theory (Hindus & Muslims) did not mean going
"back before 1947 or United India" . It meant the emmergence of People's
Republic of Bangladesh as a sovereign independent nation. Akhand Pakistan
based on Two Nation Theory didn't survive the test of time. [ I predict, Pakistan's
sibling sister Zionist Homeland Israel will also fail the road test of history, it will
eventually collapse ...]
 
It's a shame that you are using the word x-East Pakistan: It was occupied Bangladesh...
initially politically, then militarily .... the political occupation started on the day
authoritarian Md. Ali  Jinnah declared "Urdu and Urdu only shall be the only State
Language of Pakistan" in  early 1948.
 
I didn't blame you for endorsing the Naya Digonto or Jamaati version of October 28, 2006
incident. I am a neutral observer, an ordinary public, not taking any side. I was just trying
to know the truth ..
 
I just pointed out that you had lied in your original posting that "In 28th Oct 2006
BAL's supporters plunged over Jamat's meeting  leaded by Haji Selim & Dr. Iqbal" .
NayaDigonto story reveals no role by Haji Selim and Dr, Iqbal on October 28 th 2006.
 
BTW,  as I have said before, I am against the "political use of Islam for some ulterior
motives."  The religion and politics must be separated.
 
Thanks for your patience.
 
So long !
 
Syed Aslam
 
PS: I aplaude your thinking that "Those who acted WC in name of Islam are just Munafakes".
       These Munafakes are still there roaming like the scavenger hyenas.... Do you know why the
       Jamaate Islami's students' wing changed it name from Islami Chattro Sangho to Chattro Sibir?
 


 
On 5/1/08, Md. Mostafa Kamal <mmk3k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Aslam,
 
The Jamat's, ML, NI, Albadar, Alshams the Razakar leaders or the supporters of their, who done WC back in 1971 is real sin. Did I ever support them? I have said if they some how surivived from their WCs they must have to face the Hasar after the doom's day. Those who acted WC in name of Islam are just Munafakes. They do not represent the entire Muslims of either x-East Pakistan or Bangladesh. And Islam is not their fathers properties. We are Independent by a liberation war against Pakistan but even after the war we 90% of the Bangladeshis are Muslims that's the difference between India & Bangladesh. You have to analyze & scrutinize the real fact & do not comprehensively mix up me with Jamat's anti-liberation war movement-acts & WC back in 1971. I am proud to be a Bangladeshi. So give importance the historical facts both 1947 & 1971. Please see Mr. Faruk Wasif's article
71 Vs Islam;
 
 
Look it is Indian Govt. & its RAW's propaganda that 1971 was the failure of two nation theory. Indian Govt. & RAW spends millions of USD for this propaganda. In fact it is the failure of two Pakistan. This 56000 sq. miles land still sever from India, which we got from 1947. Failure of two nation theory (Hindus & Muslims) means to go back before 1947 or united India. Pelase answer don't you want to see that both Bangladesh & Pakistan as independent & sovereign countries?
 
The Dawn's article just an execption, which definitely is not the voice of entire Pakistani people.
 
I am embarassed to say that there is not any allegation that Jamatis fired bullets on BAL supporters back in 28th October 2006 report of Nayadiganta.
 
 Thank You All,
 
Md. Mostafa Kamal.
 
 
 

 on 4/29/08 Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 The birth of  Peoples Republic of Bangladesh is the collapse of "Two nation theory" on which Pakistan was created.
 
Mr. Md. Mostafa Kamal
 
The establishment of Independent Peoples Republic of Bangladesh is essentially the
collapse of "Two nation theory" on which Pakistan was created as homeland for the
Muslims of India. The other homeland in the world is Israel which is a Jewish homeland
a result of long-term strategy of the Western powers. Your love for Pakistan is well known.
Mr. Irfan Husain, in his editorial in the Dawn observes that it has now become an "impossible
and exceedingly boring task of defending a defunct theory." [ Two nation Theory]
 
I don't and had never belonged to Awami League or any other political party. Although I
consider Moududibadi Jamaate Islami is the worst political force in Bangladesh [from the
public interest point of view.]
 
You had lied in your original posting that
""In 28th Oct 2006 BAL's supporters plunged over Jamat's meeting
leaded by Haji Selim & Dr. Iqbal"
 
In my posting I had the links including that of your favourite NoyaDigonto to present both side
of the October 28th 2006  story. Even the Jamaati version didn't support your claim
that Haji Selim and Dr. Iqbal led attack on Jamaat that day You lied to make your point and you
got caught with your hands in the cookie jar. You have lost all your credibilities.
 
Mir Zafor played the key role in the defeat in the of Palassy. Jogot Shet, Rai Ballav, Umi-Chand
Raja Krishna Chandra Roy, Mohmodi Beg et el were co-conspiritors. That does not absolve
Mir Zafor of his guilts. Mir Zafor symbolizes the traitors & treachery.
The Mir Zafors of 1971 were even worse ... they proudly collaborated with the occupation
army in killing our people and raping our women........
 
You have been mixing up issues and conjuring false alligations out of thin air: I don't
represent your off-repeated BAL or the India.  Do you have problems in understanding
plain laguage? Or it is your attitude towards others who thinks differently than that of
you and cohorts?
 
Last, but not the least, communalism in all it's form must be condenmed:
be it Hindutva communalism or be it Jamaati Fundamentalism and parochialism.....
 
"1947 Partition AND 1971 Liberation War = An Independent Bangladesh."
is a historical fact. But the question remains why Muslim League,  Jamaate Islami,
Nejame Islami and other religion-traders, not only officially opposed the creation of
Independent Peoples Republicof Bangladesh, but collaborated with the occupation
regime and the Jamaati gestapos [Al-bodor, Al-shams and Razakars] activly took
part in the killing & raping missions of ordinary people in the occupied Bangladesh.
Hasn't this been done in the name of Islam?
 
 Thanks
 
Syed Aslam
 
On 4/29/08, Md. Mostafa Kamal <mmk3k@yahoo.com> wrote:
       Mr. Aslam,
 
You're not exception from your BAL party i. e. Offence is the best defense. By calling me ISI, Paki, Jamati which is "SHAAK DIYE MAACH DHAKAR BERTHO CHESTA!". There is no way by condemning India for its stepmother act with Bangladesh that I am favoring Pakistan. 54-55 rivers water are one sided withdrawn by India, Pressure for land transit to reach seven sisters, not allowing Bangladesh for transit to Nepal & Bhutan, there is almost no tax free for Bangladesh product & even ISO certified products regularly face Indian custom objections, for a long time India did not allow any Bangladeshi investor to invest in India, anti-Bangladesh propaganda by Indian, past & present anti-unity activities by Shanti Bahinis & Nikhil Bongo Andolon etc. So these are the matters do they in favor of Pakistan? Have I ever written in favor of Pakistan which is against Bangladesh? It is blind BAL"s, Secularists, Pro-Indians colors the real patriots of Bangladesh. Look at the illogical matter bellow;
 
MANUSH MURGI KHAI, MURGI BISHTHA KHAI.......
SO MANUSH'O BISTHA KHAI. Is this possible?
 
So either it is Jamati or Paki-panthis or Razakars or Patriots of Bangladesh whatever say we have to scrutinize or analyze the matter whether it is in favor of Bangladesh or not. But you're like a Cunning Fox not analyzing the matter you're calling me ISI, Pakis & Jamat comprehensively. ONDHO HOLAI KI PROLOY BONDHO HOY MR. ASLAM?
 
Look the Partition of the Sub-Continent or failure of untied Bengal is just not the consequence of the British colonialism. You just Blaming Mir Jafar, which he is the most culprit of the lost of Nawab Sirajuddawla in 1757. But what about Jogot Shet, Rai Ballav, Umi-Chad, Raja Krishna Chandra Roy? Weren't they know about the conspiracy about PALASHI war. They also inspire & behind Mir Jafar. Similarly the British couldn't concer the whole Sub-Continent if they did not get the help from Hindus & specially from the High Race Brahmmans. Because the Hindus wanted to pull out the Muslim or Moghal's ruling from Delhi. You're helping & favoring the Brahmmans by not criticize them. That is why you're mentioning that failure of United Bengal is just a history. No Mr. Aslam it is just not a ordinary history but a vital turning point of time & history. Look when the Congress denied the demand from the Muslim leaders for 25% partnership in the party (the Hindu leaders rejected it) then Muslims have left no option but to form the Muslim League. Do you like to say these Brahmmans in the Congress ran by the Idea of the British? So do not be so smart Mr. Aslam. The link
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2007/10/08/fullnews.asp?News_ID=46264&sec=4
 
clearly shows that Muhammad Ali Jinnah was not against United Bengal but Neheru & all most all the Hindu leaders of West Bengal was against United Bengal. This reference brought from Nicholas Mansergh, The Transfer of Power, 1942-47, vol. X, with page numbers. You do not want to Blame WB's dadas, so-called secularists in Bangladesh & the Pro-Indians here.
 
Mr. Aslam dragging the 1757 Palashi war's reference to compare with "if the 1947 partition or East Pakistan was not born how could we get Bangladesh? " is totally irrelevant of our debate. Bangladesh stands on the 56000 square miles which we have gotten in 1947. 1971's based on this 56000 SQ. miles. If the whole Bengal joined the India like the West Bengal how could we get today's Bangladesh, that is my question. But you're never close to my answer & instead of that you're making illogical comments, illusions & misguiding the debate totally to the wrong track. Just like "PANI GHOLA KORA BA HOJOBOROLO". 1971 is the consistency of 1947. You simply can not reverse the history of a forming a country but to accept the facts. Again I like to say it was Muslim hating Hindu leaders of course supported by the Most Hindus in WB have acted against to form a unite Bengal. Look Sheikh Mujib also was the supporter of Muslim League & struggled for Pakistan before 1947 when he was confirmed that united Bengal is not possible. So the Late Honorable Khatib Obaidul Haq said those who say that 1947's decision to form East Pakistan is incorrect is a JAROJ(1994 or 1995). Look at Kashmir where Indian occupation has broken all most all the International Human Rights law to capture for it even the 87% Kashmirese would definitely like to join Pakistan. It seems you want the same situation. In Bangladesh's constitution it is articulated that Bangladesh's Land or its area are the same of former East Pakistan. Only Pro-Indians are hurt by the partition of 1947. You belong to them. As I have asked you several times about the Shekhor Commissions report in India about the backwards of the most of the minority Muslims there in India, which you're still silent. It is the Hindus who do not want that most Muslims should be well higher-educated or scholars, rich, get enough Govt. & private jobs or become elite persons. Look at both Bangladesh & Pakistan though each of the country's Muslims number bellow the Indian Muslims but in those countries there are vast numbers of Muslim Engineers, Doctors, Master Degree or Graduate Degree holders, scholars etc. If the Partition was not happened then entire sub-continents Muslim would be the burden for it. Because the Bangladesh & Pakistan severed from India for that is why they are Muslim majority to provide enough education for its Muslim people. But only the DALALS of India will deny it.
 
Look Mohajir problem is just an exception. There is also Sindh, Beluch, Patahn (tribal) problem back in Pakistan. But still Pakistan is united & has managed to get all most all its genuine rights as a neighboring country of India. Five common rivers water are shared by the international law. India can not play cat & mouse (TAAL BAHANA) with Pakistan with many common matters including this. If we the Bangladeshis who draws this kind of examples the BAL, so called secularists, Pro-Indians colors us the Razakar, Pakis, Jamatis whether it is totally in favor of Bangladesh. Syed Aslam is just like the DALAL the x-water resource minister Abdur Razzak(BAL) was angry why the x-foreign minister Mr. Morshed Khan complain against India in the UN not give us enough water through Faraqqa Barage 2005-06. It is clear that what ever India will do even it is against Bangladesh's favor there Syed Aslam & his BAL gongs will not allow you to criticize India. That is why he draws of Paki-Indian Dalal with the record of YOUTUBE.
 
Mr. Aslam you make me laugh again to consider you as a Joker. Are you blind because you did not read the article of Nayadiganta (which you've given me) where it reported on the 28th October of 2006 fully. There it has said it was BAL's terrorists who shot bullets towards Jamat's supporters & not Jamat to the BAL. So do not be foolish or Stupid. I condemn Janakantha & other BAL media who mentioned that Jamat has shot bullets to the BAL mob. In fact the BAL has first attacked on the Jamat's meeting on the North Gate of Baitul Mokarram. Again you have acted as an cunning fox, which will not hide the facts. Like you & your BAL gong condemn Shahid Zia for Shah Azizur Rahman. He was freed by Bongobandhu & presented of can at the price of 22000 taka (Prothom Alo 26th March 2008). So truth will over come. Whether you like it or not.
 
Mr. Aslam neither internet nor this e-forum is your property. By questioning the appearance of me "from where Md. Mostafa Kamal comes from" etc is act of undemocratic comments. As you're a Pro-Indian you will find confusion in my writings but the true patriots of Bangladesh my writings are articulated. I have never asked that from where you come. I have the same right to write in the internet as you have. Your acts just like BAKSHALIi's. You & your BAL gongs want to score goals where your opponent is not present in the field. But if you think so then you're living in fools heaven. You guys are so far from the facts & all most whatever you say just for your fake mental satisfaction.
 
Thank You All,
 
Md. Mostafa Kamal.
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Mr. Md. Mostafa Kamal
Where did you find this :
"It is you who are so hurt person who cries or tears for division of so called Mother India."
Why are you attributing this on me?
Can you substantiate your false statement that I am espousing a "Mother India"?
After getting caught by lying about  October-28 episode, you became so un-nerved that you have brought that issue out of context .....
This is an age old tactics by the Pakistan lovers, Jamaatis also use this tactics in their propaganda. 
 
The article in your link is very ambigious. It is true that Suhrawardy and Sarat Bose [Brother of Subash Chandra Bose] jointly proposed the creation of United Bengal .The Hindu Mohashova, a  staunchly communal hindutva political party, counterpart of today's Jamaate Islami tabled the
main  opposition to the concept of Independentt Bengal in 1971. Some Hindu and Muslim leaders of  Bengal supported Suhrawardy and Sarat Bose in their move. Prominent among them were Kiran Shankar Roy (Leader of the Congress Parliamentary Party in Bengal Assembly), Satya Ranjan Bakshi (Sarat Bose's Secretary), ABUL HASHIM (Secretary of the Bengal Provincial
Muslim League), Fazlur Rahman (Revenue Minister of the Province),MOHAMMAD ALI  CHOWDHURY (Finance Minister in Suhrawardy's cabinet) and others. For a short duration, the
proposal was discussed both at private and public bodies and important negotiations took place  among Bengal leaders. In fact, the concept of a sovereign independent Bengal had its origins in  the past. The adoption of the  LAHORE RESOLUTION in March 1940  was a significant step
towards highlighting the demand for Independent Bengal. .... these are all HISTORY....History can not be repaired but falsification and twistings of history can be used to create new history ...  that's what the defeatist Pakistan lovers and their cronies are trying ...
 
FYI, there are no one shading  of tears for the division of so called Mother India in our 21st  century world except for few Mohajir leaders (MQM) in Pakistan who diplore the miserable plights of refugee Indian muslims in Pakistan  & Bangladesh [see
]

Md. Mostafa Kamal's hypothesis of "Mother India" is a part of ISI's propaganda ploy to divert the attention of the masses from the real issues of  Bangladesh which is: democracy & people's power, eradiction of corruptions, fair trial of the accused,  impending food crisis, and punishment
of all the collaborators of Pakistan etc.
 
Mr. Md Mostafa Kamal'as another contention:"If the East Pakistan was not born how could  you get Bangladesh by severing India? " He should thank Mir Zafor and the British occupation, because if Nawab Sirajudullah was not defeated and Clive didn't win, there would not have been
any Pakistan. Historically, Pakistan is a consequence of British occupation of the Sub-continent.
 
I have no idea where this Md. Mostofa Kamal is comming from?
He is either ideologically motivated by the Pakistan doctrine or he is utterly, a confused guy. His confused thinkings lead to his confused writing ... as always.
 
Last, but not the least, communalism in all it's form must be condenmed: be it Hindutva communalism  or be it Jamaati Fundamentalism and parochialism.....
 
Readers, if you are interested to read a comparatively unbiased paper on Suhrawardy-Sarat Bose  maneuvors  for Independent Bengal please see (1) A move for United Independent Bengal/Harunor Rashid.
                         (2) East Bengal at independence/Ahmed Kamal.
                         (3) Language movement/Badruddin Umar
 
These are included in the book  History of Bangladesh 1704-1971 (3 Vols-Set) edited by Sirajul Islam
and published by Asiatic Society of Bangladesh. Also read:
Amar Jibon - An autobiography by Dr. Badruddin Umar[Dr. Umar son Mr. ABUL HASHIM (Secretary of the Bengal Provincial Muslim League), of  was an eye witness to the United Bengal move.
 
Thanks
 
Syed Aslam
 
PS: "In 28th Oct 2006 BAL's supporters plunged over Jamat's meeting leaded by Haji Selim & Dr. Iqbal" Lie! lie! lie! [Mr. Kamal is a true decendent of Goebbles? .... Ekta lie bar bar bolle ki se ta sotto hoye jai ... ?]

 
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